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Have a read of your neighbour's Lib Dem flyers, Binners, you might find there's more to like than on the Labour ones you are delivering. If ever there was the opportunity for people to vote for what they believe in safe in the knowledge that it won't lead to a Tory government this is it.
If I voted Lib Dem in this constituency, I may as well just set fire to my ballot paper
If I was in a leafy Home Counties seat where only the Lib Dems could beat the Tories, would I vote for them? Absolutely, I would!
All that matters in this election is getting shut of this corrupt, debased shower. Everything else is a minor consideration
But Binners, if you vote for Labour you're voting for that ghastly Starmer fellow who is at the root of all things evil since the beginning of time, you should vote for the Lib Dems or Greens, you know, the parties who can promise the earth in their manifesto as there's no chance of actually having to do any of it 🤣
Promising the earth does indeed seem a very good idea.
Starmer want's the stop oil protesters prosecuted for a bit of orange corn flour, well I'd like him prosecuted for injuring a cyclist:
https://road.cc/content/news/no-action-against-starmer-knocking-cyclist-bike-279573
We’ve already emitted enough CO2 to get to Miocene climatic conditions and there’s enough fosil fuels to get us to the Cretaceous. By that time life will be a real chore even if humans are still around because you’ll feel fatigued and sleepy from the CO2 quite apart from all the other crap in the atmosphere if the oceans start to turn over. The asteroid theory for the extinction of the dinosaurs is all very well but the dinosaurs had already been descimated by climatic change due to volcanic CO2 long before the asteroid impacted.
We’re going the way of the the dinosaurs, taking most other species with us and are still unwilling to Stop Oil.
That money is not lost to the economy – it churns around. Its not going abroad.
Brilliant - in that case let's have everyone in Scotland working for the government on a million quid a year. The money will just "churn around". Obviously none of it will go abroad because Scotland is in total autarky. "Saving" (ie subsidising) 400 jobs at the cost of £500,000 each is definitely worth it.
Isn’t there a separate thread for those north of the border to have their parochial political spats/arguments about ferries? 😂
I know it's a novel experience for a provincial Northern monkey like you to play the "parochial" card @binners and I'm sure you must be enjoying that, but Scotland is so far still in the UK. God knows we've endured enough wanging on about Ed Daley and various other Lib Dem hobbyhorses like PR on this thread.
Everything else is a minor consideration.
What you gonna do when things get worse or don't improve?
Because it is possible.
I don't think the climate and likely inaction is minor for instance.
The ferries shambles is Scotland’s own version of the VIP Fast Lane.
If we're going to list financial **** ups then we're going to be here for a very long time regarding the tories own, I'll start with Freeport's.
Mercer seems like a lovely chap, just the sort of person you want a veterans minister.
Almost as vile as his wife, her twitter account used to be very entertaining
The ferries shambles is Scotland’s own version of the VIP Fast Lane.
Its really not at all. Its a monumental Eff up but its not open corruption
Freeport’s are naked corruption not inept decision making.
Freeport’s are purely for there to benefit tax dodgers and are loved by corrupt authoritarian regimes the world over for the ease with which they enable embezzlement on an industrial scale
"Wooden ladders. Talk to me"
Now for something different? Isn’t that Monty Python’s tagline between sketches?
Paul Luggeri? He looks a geezer.
I've just got back from a few days away, to be confronted with this in my letterbox
It's only on looking closer do you see this
To make things worse, in the 4 days I've been away a Tory banner has appeared on the farm across the road (only the second I've seen sing campaigning began) and horror of horrors, a Reform poster has arrived at the other end of my road. Never seen one of them before.
I'm in Surrey Heath (Gove's old constituency) and LibDem banners seem to be the de facto banners... they did well in the Locals. I'm currently in France and due back on the 4th.... so straight from the tunnel to the polling station for me.
Burn them
It’s interesting on X getting his supporters to explain how they passionately support free speech yet hero worship Putin…who infamously gets a bit “murdery” over free speech.
Down the road from me a right prick lives. I can tell he's a prick, I've seen him berating the kid that works in the local shop for not knowing how to do the dry cleaning drop off, for parking in the disabled spots at the nearby Tesco express (he isn't), stuff like that.
He's had a Ukraine flag up since the war started. He now has a Reform poster. I just drove past and had eyes on the road, but I *think* the flag has gone.
We've seen the "gave Putin an excuse" line on tne Ukraine thread way back, and I can kind of see the logic that takes you there, even if I disagree.
But saying he admires Putin as a political operative? He locks up and/or kills his political opponents ffs. Even my dad has decided he can't stomach Farage/Reform.
The ferries shambles is Scotland’s own version of the VIP Fast Lane.
Its really not at all. Its a monumental Eff up but its not open corruption
Matt Hancock bending the rules to chuck lucrative contracts to his political allies is not different to Alex Salmond bending the rules to chuck lucrative contacts to his political allies.
I’m in Surrey Heath (Gove’s old constituency) and LibDem banners seem to be the de facto banners… they did well in the Locals. I’m currently in France and due back on the 4th…. so straight from the tunnel to the polling station for me.
Burn them
the French?
I wonder If this article was writen by Nigel Garage under a ghost name??
jam-bo Full Member
Does their leaflet use some creative bar charts to suggest they are somehow the best chance against the tories? Ours local candidates one does.
There was one election where I think that every party used that line in the leaflets they put through my door. Either they were the best chance against the Tories, or against Labour, or against the SNP.
Interesting to see what farages putin loving does to the Reform numbers
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1804569350072062389?t=ny8nElAsBHEPXb5hGQgOoA&s=19
But the tories being <100 seats is looking more & more likely and I think there's more betting scandal to come... Wonder if the Sunday papers will have a minister on the front?
“Wooden ladders. Talk to me”
Well I knew what you meant:
It would be funny if IDS came in behind Terry Tibbs.
kimbers
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Interesting to see what farages putin loving does to the Reform numbers
Unfortunately I dont think it will make much difference at all.
Some of his supporters might also support Ukraine but when the chips are really down, their hatred of immigrants far outweighs any dislike of Putin.
For that reason, Farage is still their man.
I have very little doubt that Rishi will head for California as soon as his party wins it's only seat. Then a mega right-wing fight for control of Tories will start. Not sure what will happen to the old One Nation wing though.
Not sure what will happen to the old One Nation wing though.
Dead and buried already I think. Either Reform finally subsumes the conservatives and Farage gets to live his ultimate revenge dream, or they become a 'Centre-Right' irrelevance, lagging behind the LDs forevermore.
And they deserve it TBH.
I dunno, I think all that's happened is the extreme right vote has been split between the tories and reform. Add them both together and the numbers are just not there.
Even more so, if it comes down to coalitions and/or deals between parties, I can't see a deal between the cons and reform, but even if they did, a deal between labour and lib dems, for example, would dwarf those numbers.
Apparently many of the Tories in safer seats are more moderate (contrary to what you might expect) so by all accounts the rump that’ll be left after the election will be dominated by them.
Whether they move or whether they let the headbangers rip each other to bits remains to be seen though.
Labour don't believe the polls - and they don't want you to either
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722eezx9n4o
An inside look at Labour HQ thinking.
Worth a read but I'm short, if enough people think it's a done deal and vote with their heart rather than their head and allowing for the millions of undecideds... we could still wake up to another 5 years of Tory on the 5th July.
Can you imagine? I dont even want to try.
Not sure what will happen to the old One Nation wing though.
The old ones will die off. The younger ones will be one pole of a big centrist Labour Party pavilion.
The Techne UK poll mattyfez posts is within a couple of %age points of the FT poll from yesterday. Putting those figures into the FT seat predictor looks like this (no Reform seats)
Electoral Calculus shows this (3 Reform seats)
I can’t see a deal between the cons and reform, but even if they did, a deal between labour and lib dems, for example, would dwarf those numbers.
The worry would be tories being a few seats short of the lib dems and then doing a deal with any reform MPs to become Official Opposition
But that's fairly unlikely, you'd hope
Rumours are that Sunaks seat is polling very badly for the Tories so they're pumping extra money into it
Anyway see another Tory party official has been caught placing multiple bets
I have very little doubt that Rishi will head for California
Rest is Politics podcast openly talked weeks ago about the rumour that Sunak already booked his kids into a school in California starting in September.
Anyway see another Tory party official has been caught placing multiple bets
My God, what an absolute bunch of utterly corrupt shit head, mother frumping * they really are.
They snaffled billions out of the economy but they just couldn't resist the chance to get a few grand more as the country burns.
Absolute f*ers and if ever proof were needed that all politicians are NOT the same, this is it.
... and breath.
is that all ? Even their "scare tactics" are falling flat. the Fail were reporting Lil' Rishi bailed on a campaign appearance with James Cracknell to shore up support in his own constituency (or James told him to do one you bloody Jonah! 😉 ) .
it's crap, but we're really playing shock and awe 4d chess in the minds of people smugglers. They do believe their own deluded rhetoric.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn440850elmo
is that all ? Even their “scare tactics” are falling flat
These utter financial morons, there is never a black hole in gv't finances because the government doesn't save to spend. Totally impossible.
2bn is nothing absolutely nothing in macro terms. Nothing.
Tories ran a 120bn deficit last year. So that, according to their shitty made up logic is a 60 x 2bn black hole.
Tories are totally and utterly useless at spending money.
(Absolutely nothing wrong with deficits they are a function of government spending and recessions often follow surpluses but for God's sake what do the Tories do with 120bn?)
Surely with the kind of protections emerging from the opinion polls, if we wake up to a Tory majority on July 5th it would look highly suspicious. It might even provoke unrest.