[Closed] UFC Content - Did Aldo Take a Dive?

I really don't like that part of it.

It's tough to watch but sometimes fighters get ko'd when standing then wake back up when they hit the canvas so consider it "securing the win" if you like
Not much of an excuse but the best I've got.

You do see some fighters stop though. I remember Brian Stann doing it. His opponent was out and Stann stopped and called the ref over. Much respect.

Remember the adrenaline is firing and these guys and girls are trained for one thing and their opponent would do the same to them. They know what they're signing up for

Thanks for the info Warton (#edit and BoardinBob) although I still agree with Pigface's point, the punching a downed fighter tarnishes the sporting aspect for me.

However despite what our resident TKD expert says, there is undoubted skill and indeed martial art in what the UFC fighters do. Just because they are not fighting within a rigid structure doesn't make them any lesser than their pyjama wearing brethren. Calling them brawlers just demonstrates astounding ignorance of fighting skills and techniques.

[quote=wanmankylung ]jam bo - can you highlight your good bits because I've missed them too.

boom, big hitter skillz right there...

Pigface

Away from the trolling, the bit I dont like about MMA is demonstrated in one of the clips on the previous page. Guy gets kneed in the head is asleep before he hits the floor and then takes 2 or 3 smacks in the face before the ref steps in. I am sure someone will defend it but I really don't like that part of it.

We're all willing accept the risk of potential brain injury for free every time we ride our bikes off road. A fighter's attitude is not much different.

Whilst the dangers in MMA are somewhat analogous to Boxing there are many ways to win in MMA that don't involve head trauma. In the context of a sanctioned fight, no submission will involve head trauma or brain injury. A fighter can win a TKO by leg kicks or dominating a downed opponent whilst not necessarily attacking the head. As Warton points out there is no multiple knock down rule in MMA. A boxer can be concussed, survive the count and fight again and suffer another knockdown. And again. And again. This in addition to heavier gloves offering more protection to boxers hands allowing them to hit harder and more frequently resulting in more cumulative head trauma.

With the relatively rare exception of a body shot KO, there is only one way to win a boxing match and that's repeated head trauma. Neither sport is "safe" but the fighters know and accept the risks.

Guy gets kneed in the head is asleep before he hits the floor and then takes 2 or 3 smacks in the face before the ref steps in. I am sure someone will defend it but I really don't like that part of it.

With the relatively rare exception of a body shot KO, there is only one way to win a boxing match and that's repeated head trauma.

Crolla won the world title a few weeks ago with a body shot.

Incredibly rare, especially compared to a submission win in MMA, where you can also win by bodyshot.

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon

True, but thats's only because wanmankylung hasn't had his debut yet. When he gets in there bodies will be dropping left right and centre

nwill1

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

No it can't but there have been 4 fatalities total, in sanctioned mma events. Three of which might be directly attributable to damage sustained in the respective event. It's a much lower number proportionally compared with boxing but it's incorrect to just look at the number of deaths as the bigger danger is most later onset of various types of brain damage incurred over a career such as trauma induced parkinsons.

In MMA as in boxing most if not all fatalities are in lower weight classes and might be caused by fighters undergoing severe weight cuts and not adequately re-hydrating. While the body can fully re-hydrate in 24hrs apparently the brain can take 48-72 hrs before fully re-hydrating and being able to protect itself from trauma. It's probably safe to assume that the majority of serious damage which will manifest in fighters in their later lives will also be due to dehydration.

Novitzky and USADA have implemented measures aimed at removing this culture from the UFC but they are controversial and it's very very early days. The ban on i.v.'s should discourage and ultimately eradicate the culture of fighters undergoing massive weight cuts.

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

How do the respective sample sizes compare?

Of more interest, to me anyway, are the long term implications such as dementia, parkinsons and chronic brain injuries.

What's this about? UFC's better than boxing? Boxing's better than UFC? My Dad's bigger than your dad? Jeez!

DezB - Member

What's this about? UFC's better than boxing? Boxing's better than UFC? My Dad's bigger than your dad? Jeez!

Just think of it as a wheel size debate.

No, it's simply about Aldo either taking a dive, having a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft. It was then claimed by someone that MMA contained people who have "superb martial arts skills". I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat. I shared my opinion that MMA isn't much more than a brawl. Others disagreed with all of it. Some agreed with bits of it. Some clearly love UFC and some clearly thing it's rubbish. Nobody was hurt in the making of this thread.

Unlike your training sessions where getting hurt is obligatory 😉

I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat.

Ok so if the argument is

Put a BJJ black belt against a TKD black belt in a strict TKD points fight, then yes the TKD would win in a strict TKD competition

Conversely reverse that and the TKD guy is going to sleep pretty quickly.

If the argument is put a top level pure TKD guy against a top level UFC fighter who has no experience in TKD, and they fight, and it's a proper fight, under the Unified Rules, then the TKD is in trouble.

Not really sure what the point of that debate is though. It's a bit like saying the world ping pong champion would beat Rafa Nadal at ping pong.

wanmankylung

No, I alone think Aldo either took a dive, has a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft. It was then [s]claimed[/s] correctly stated by someone that MMA contained people who have "superb martial arts skills". I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat despite massive evidence to the contrary by numerous commenters. I shared my opinion that MMA isn't much more than a brawl. Everyone disagreed with all of it. Some clearly love UFC, I think it's rubbish, I've never seen it before and I jumped to conclusions but mainly it offends my TKD sensibilities . Nobody was hurt in the making of this thread, but most TKD black belts would get destroyed by the WOMEN in the UFC in an actual fight.

FTFY 😀

Unlike your training sessions where getting hurt is obligatory

It's like this - kicking and punching people and getting punched and kicked is likely to cause injury. When there is a mixture of abilities in the class there are always going to be people who misjudge their attacks and others who make a mess of their defence. Occassionaly people will get hurt. It appears to be the lower abilities and middle grades that get hurt most. As skill and expeience levels increase injuries decrease. Our club train hard because we have great coaches and are very competitive there is a constructive winning mentality to it, it's good.

[i] it's simply about Aldo either taking a dive, having a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft[/i]

Oh right. Well, I only saw the gif and he got caught by a perfectly timed left hook. The fella who hit him didn't have much of a glove on.

I think everyone on this thread is jealous because you've had our share of the awesomez.

Oh right. Well, I only saw the gif and he got caught by a perfectly timed left hook. The fella who hit him didn't have much of a glove on.

Would say Roman Gonzales or Juan Francisco Estrada have been mugged by that shot?

I think everyone on this thread is jealous because you've had our share of the awesomez.

Nah - best I ever got to was a silver medal in the scottish championship middleweight division.

What boarding bob said
tkd are good at TDK and crap at fighting.
On this we all seem to agree except for the troll

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

How do the respective sample sizes compare?

You can scale up "none" as far as you like.

It's still none.

You can scale up "none" as far as you like.

It's still none.

You can't discount deaths just because they didn't croak [i]in[/i] the octagon.

Why not pick a video with someone scottish in it?

Here you go

Well one of the guys in the Gif can ride a nice blue bike with a bell on it...

in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat

So someone who plays a sport regularly will be better at it than someone who's never done it? Good

Yip, seems pretty obvious to me too. Yet most on here seem to disagree.

ou can't discount deaths just because they didn't croak in the octagon.

That's got nothing to do with the "sample size" argument I was replying to though has it.

There will never be a more appropriate time to post this...

zilog6128 - Member
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Yeah these UFC fighters are totally one dimensional. The guy who trains TKD on a Wednesday night and works the door at the Slug & Lettuce on a Saturday night would take them out in seconds...

[b]Anderson Silva[/b]

Black prajied in Muay Thai
3rd degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Black belt in Judo
5th dan black belt in Taekwondo
Yellow rope in Capoeira

[b]Chuck Liddell[/b]

5th Dan Black Belt in American Kenpo
Black Belt in Koei-Kan Karate
Purple Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[b]Vitor Belfort[/b]

Black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Carlson Gracie
Black belt in Judo
Purple belt in Shotokan Karate

[b]Lyoto Machida[/b]

3rd dan black belt in Shotokan Karate under Yoshizo Machida
Black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Walter Broca

Anderson Silva

Black prajied in Muay Thai
3rd degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Black belt in Judo
5th dan black belt in Taekwondo
Yellow rope in Capoeira

thats the guy in the first kick picture, you know, the one who was off balance and about to be taken down....

warton - Member

Anderson Silva

Black prajied in Muay Thai
3rd degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Black belt in Judo
5th dan black belt in Taekwondo
Yellow rope in Capoeira

thats the guy in the first kick picture, you know, the one who was off balance and about to be taken down....

Yip. Possibly the greatest of all time...apart from George's mate

wanmankylung

So someone who plays a sport regularly will be better at it than someone who's never done it? Good

Yip, seems pretty obvious to me too. Yet most on here seem to disagree.

I'd just like to reiterate and elaborate for you because you're out of your depth and embarrassing yourself and Tae Kwon Do. The keystone arts in MMA for striking are Muay Thai and Boxing, although, as pointed out above most competitors are well versed in multiple styles. You should be aware that MMA striking is generally modified from a base style to suit the needs of MMA. Many UFC fighters are championship level boxers, kickboxers and Thai boxers. Some are TKD black belts but TKD alone won't take you far in MMA.

Grappling arts in MMA consist of BJJ and Wrestling or Judo. Most competitors will be elite in at least one of these arts. Again you should note the arts are adapted for MMA.

You asserted that students at your local BJJ club would beat elite UFC fighters who you termed brawlers. You should know that the elite BJJ competitors in the UFC are considered some of the very best in the world, most are black belts. BJJ isn't an olympic sport but most of the top grappling exponents in the UFC are world champions. The Abhu Dhabi Championship is considered the ultimate grappling test and many UFC fighters are ADCC champions. In the wrestling, there are multiple Olympians fighting in the UFC. In Judo, there are multiple Olympians fighting in the UFC.

And whilst these "brawlers" might get out pointed in the sporting dance of a TKD match, MMA is the sport of fighting. They would dominate a TKD player in a fight or MMA bout, in all of the fighting ranges. The WOMEN in the UFC would dominate them in a fight or an MMA bout 😈

HTH.

What does HTH mean 😳

Hope this helps 😀

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I'd just like to reiterate and elaborate for you because you're out of your depth and embarrassing yourself and Tae Kwon Do.

The only person embarrassing themselves here is you. Do you lack the intelligence to have a discussion without resorting to personal insults?

That's neither an insult, nor personal it's just a statement of fact.

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Yep, that's exactly how you're coming across. Now who's being personal?

wanmankylung - Member

The only person embarrassing themselves here is you

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It's just a picture of a potato...