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Is that Danny Devito's Penguin staring out of the lower right shot?
I think its not so long a shot, still not the most probable outcome but I would give him a 20% chance of pulling it off at the moment
based on what?
The one thing Rudy said yesterday I was interested in was claims of overvotes - up to 300%?? That's not something you can hide when they check the vote tally. Are they making that up too?
An interesting take on trump's invitation to Michigan's legislative leaders accepting trump's invitation to meet at the WH.
martinhutch, you should add direct bribery to your list of trump's possible approaches.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/19/michigan-legislators-trump-meeting-438538
I think its not so long a shot, still not the most probable outcome but I would give him a 20% chance of pulling it off at the moment
I would give him a zero percent chance of pulling it off. He needs to flip 37 electoral college votes, which is or four states. Some of those states have Democratic governors or secretaries of state, etc. so it just isn't going to happen because of that. On top of that, Republicans don't mind putting on a show of fighting to impress their base, but actually making a serious attempt at stealing the Electoral College would be a catastrophe for the Republican Party, on top of what it did to the country. They would lose any claim to be a serious political party and they would lose any hope of ever getting moderate voters to support them again. They can't afford to back down publicly, but winning would be even worse, so they want the courts to shut it down so that they can pretend they fought it to the bitter end.
The one thing Rudy said yesterday I was interested in was claims of overvotes – up to 300%?? That’s not something you can hide when they check the vote tally. Are they making that up too?
In all seriousness, it's much safer to assume that everything Rudy says is just made up than to believe that any of it is true. The most charitable explanation I can give him is that he's old and confused and has picked up conspiracy theories off the internet without realizing that they're bogus. More likely, he just doesn't care because he thinks he one of the good guys and the end justifies the means, etc.
Again, The Onion has played a blinder with Rudy...
https://politics.theonion.com/your-honor-i-m-ready-to-present-says-giuliani-pulli-1845716203
The one thing Rudy said yesterday I was interested in was claims of overvotes – up to 300%?? That’s not something you can hide when they check the vote tally. Are they making that up too?
Yes.
They are shameless.
During lockdown I started following Trump on Twitter. He spouts absolute shit. Completely false statements with no evidence to back them up.
A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". Hitler believed the technique was used by Jews to blame Germany's loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist and antisemitic political leader in the Weimar Republic.
The one thing Rudy said yesterday I was interested in was claims of overvotes – up to 300%?? That’s not something you can hide when they check the vote tally. Are they making that up too?
In all seriousness, it’s much safer to assume that everything Rudy says is just made up than to believe that any of it is true. The most charitable explanation I can give him is that he’s old and confused and has picked up conspiracy theories off the internet without realizing that they’re bogus. More likely, he just doesn’t care because he thinks he one of the good guys and the end justifies the means, etc.
Well, Trump did tell everyone to vote twice I guess, test the system. Just checked - an overvote seems to mean multiple votes by one person detected - doesn't mean they were accepted.
The overvotes think is debunked here but I still don't really understand it.
I think the overvotes thing is just that voters don't always cast their votes in the place where they are registered. This means that it's possible that some precincts record more votes than registered voters, but others will have less. Obviously, the statewide vote must not exceed the number of registered voters, but that's not the issue here.
"One of the reasons why the Republicans did not certify in Wayne County, Michigan, was because the over-vote was so high," Giuliani claimed. He added, "what I'm describing to you is a massive fraud."
Facts First: This is false.
What Giuliani called an over-vote is often referred to as an imbalance where the number of ballots tabulated does not equal the number of people signed in to vote at a specific polling location.
Past elections in Michigan with larger imbalances have been certified without issue, including in 2016 when Trump won the state, according the Michigan Secretary of State.
"They certified the vote in 2016 with 80% of Detroit precincts out of balance. And yet today, 42% were out of balance and yet it didn't get certified, so clearly there is no valid point here," Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said.
Benson told CNN it's "quite common" for precincts to be out of balance but "it doesn't indicate there's any malfeasance," adding "it's more of a bookkeeping, clerical issue."
There are many reasons a precinct could be out of balance and have a discrepancy between the number of ballots cast and the number of people registered into the poll book, according to Chris Thomas who served as a senior adviser to the Detroit City Clerk. Thomas, who has built a decades-long career serving both Republican and Democratic Secretaries of State, told CNN that in general, through his many years of experience, an imbalance should be viewed as clerical mistakes and not fraud.
The shame on every single GOP congressperson / senator who hasn’t condemned Trump’s actions is a stain that ought to live with them for the rest of their political career. And yet, presumably every one of those people have made a cynical political decision that this is the path that will lead to future power (perhaps not in Jan 2021), but 2024 and beyond.
They do not fear democratic accountability which is the most worrying feature here
The underlying issue is politics are now so polarised in the US that, if you want a chance of holding political office, you're either a Democrat or a far right Republican. Trump's base is massive and no moderate Republican wants to risk alienating them - I doubt they will even post January 20th as this mess is going to carry on for years.
At this point I don't see any amount of evidence convincing Trump's base of the reality of what he is so a moderate Republican Senator/Congressman (especially if their seat is up for grabs in the mid-terms) isn't going to say anything against him as they'll lose their seat.
thols2, in the Andrew Fleischman tweet there's a link to a blog named 'powerline'; have you read it?
Whatever happened to research and basic education in the US?
Whatever happened to research and basic education in the US?
I recon it was probably a deliberate shit stirring act that the originator never expected to be put in front of a judge.
Whatever happened to research and basic education in the US?
For people with money, the U.S. has the best education system in the world. Nobel prizes, journal citations, patent filings, etc. are pretty solid evidence that U.S. universities are world leaders.
If you don't have money, primary and secondary education in the U.S. sucks. Really bad.
Fox trump apologist in chief Tucker Carlson.....
"We invited [Trump lawyer] Sidney Powell on the show, we would have given her the whole hour, we would have given her the entire week actually and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention. That’s a big story.
“But she never sent us any evidence despite a lot of requests...polite requests, [but] not a page. When we kept pressing she got angry and told us to stop contacting her. When we checked with others around the Trump campaign, people in positions of authority, they told us, Powell has never given them any evidence either. Nor did she provide any today at the press conference. Powell did say that electronic voting is dangerous. And she’s right. We’re with her there. But she never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another -- not one.”
If you lose Tucker Carlson............
he can still ask for another recount but he's not overturning 12000 votes.....
😀
https://twitter.com/UpBeatMe317/status/1329841217904013313
so what happend the 0.75 (trump) to 1.25 (Biden) setting in the Dominion voting machines software ?
Rudy's son works for Trump and he's now COVID positive. Been with the legal team all week.
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1329863390538440705?s=19
Incredible? No, it’s par for the course for that band of deplorables.
Turns out Hillary was right.
Every little helps - updated...
https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1329875064284721152?s=20
the clown shit show
Beautiful work from Ivanka, just reminding everybody that Trump knew how serious Covid was even back in January when he was dismissing it...
https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1328324970854948866
This is like a cross between the Twilight Zone and Laurel & Hardy . . .
I know we shouldn't laugh at others but...har har har
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/526967-donald-trump-jr-tests-positive-for-covid-19
Trump tried to bully Michigan Republicans into stealing the election. I’m not sure they want to play with him.
https://twitter.com/Jordanfabian/status/1329927673104248833
https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1329938238518149120
https://twitter.com/Bamer1can/status/1329957362321461251
Twitter to give POTUS account to Biden on inauguration day.😁
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/20/tech/twitter-biden-trump-potus/index.html
Not sure if he even uses it but it'll p*ss him off anyway.
that still doesn’t make Trump president because his term will have expired.
In every statement he's made since the election, Trump has claimed he's won.
It’s easy to tweet something, or blabber away in front of hand picked tv crews.
It may be harder to try to enact when surrounded by Marines who’d rather you didn’t cause a constitutional crisis.
NYT now has another graphic to watch as the results are certified. First to 270 👍🏻
In every statement he’s made since the election, Trump has claimed he’s won.
That's irrelevant: he won't win unless the election results are certified that way.
Call me a pessimist but I would not be at all surpassed to see a bunch of faithless electors at the electoral college vote. enough to beat the 7 cast in 2016; 5 who should have voted for Clinton, 2 who should have voted for Trump. I still can't see it being enough to change the course of history though.
I thought states changed laws post 2016 mandating electors to follow the popular vote .
Faithless voting is some way from being uniformly outlawed. Still plenty of opportunity for it to happen.
https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws
nickc
Full MemberIn every statement he’s made since the election, Trump has claimed he’s won.
I can declare myself president too, doesn't actually matter.
Of course, it'd be better for everyone if he'd concede- better for the country, better for the GOP, better for his poor supporters who keep funding him, better for tackling coronavirus and the recession. Better even for him in the end since losing every day til January is going to upset the poor wee lad. But it's not necessary.