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I thought people were saying Murdoch was pulling away from Trump/the right a bit?
I dunno - I think they’ve accepted Trump’s gone. But they’re very much preaching to their choir of right wing nut jobs still.
Fox News stating ‘if the left win the two seats in Georgia in January, bye-bye America. We won’t even have a national anthem’.
I thought people were saying Murdoch was pulling away from Trump/the right a bit?
Trump yes, but they're still the Republican Cheer Leading Squad.
You never know with these fat old ****s, this might all be over some personal pissing contest. I can well imagine Trump sucking up to Murdoch in 2016 because he needed him, and then being condescending next time they spoke and Murdoch deciding he was going to show him who was boss.
I dunno – I think they’ve accepted Trump’s gone. But they’re very much preaching to their choir of right wing nut jobs still.
There was another chap on the panel saying he was talking nonsense to be fair. But still.
I thought people were saying Murdoch was pulling away from Trump/the right a bit?
His news sections are distancing themselves somewhat from Trump.
The opinion side is still bat shit crazy and mostly pro Trump.
With regards to "the right" Murdoch doesnt really care about that so long as he gets what he wants which, admittedly, is more likely from a right wing party but not completely essential.
bye-bye America. We won’t even have a national anthem’.
Weird how they conveniently forget all the other times the Democrats have been in charge and this hasn't happened.
I know the divisive politics there are just insane, but it is very odd to say "Hey see those guys that were in office for 8 years before Trump, if they get into power they will destroy America"
Trump eyes starting his own digital media empire
Predictable. He can go back to being a "celebrity" snidely criticising the president for playing golf too much and not sorting out the pandemic.
This calmed me down a bit yesterday. About an hour-long but some amazing pics and stories if you're into photography.
also how the counting could have been streamlined so the results in election day don’t look so wonky.
The republican controlled legislatures in AZ, GA, WI, PA etc blocked the counters from counting votes early
A cynic would say to precipitate exactly this kind of uncertainty over democrat votes
That’s so dodgy!! Are we surprised though?
That's fairly flimsy but certainly tantalising from a drama point of view!
I'd be very interested in trump doing this news outlet, only to see how Fox news and Alex jones reposition themselves.
Alex Jones would firstly take a huge hit on his merchandising income if he hasn't already as there's only so much right wing nut job money to go around
He'd then probably move further right which would mean he'd actually don a Nazi uniform and take his lead from the neo Nazis in the Blues Brothers
The fox nut jobs would be tempted away to join trump, as fox has been restraining how they really feel. So Carlson and Hannity would have their own shows. However trump himself would naturally want the primetime flagship show for himself to ramble uncontrollably for 60 minutes.
Trump kids would want their own shows but what if Tucker and Sean want equal billing? I predict a riot
I can see Eric being given the graveyard slot, and being very happy with his lot. Sort of like Alan partridge on radio Norwich
...And, when it comes to hate and division:
I saw a MAGA post talking about how Trump should start his own political party, completely separate from the Republicans.
The generally feeling among the libtards commenting was "Great idea, please do that! Third parties always work brilliantly in our electoral system" 😀
I suggested that "The Trump Party" could perhaps be shortened to "the T Party"...
dantsw13
Free MemberThat’s so dodgy!! Are we surprised though?
We shouldn't be, the exact same thing happened here in '94. The "Literal Democrats" ran in Devon and were able to trick enough votes away from the Liberal Democrats to flip a seat to Tory. Led to a law change but the result stood.
Jamze
Full MemberFox News stating ‘if the left win the two seats in Georgia in January, bye-bye America. We won’t even have a national anthem’.
Schrodinger's Biden again, simultanoeusly a Biden in a box can be Sleepy and lead the Do Nothing Democrats, and can also be Literally Satan and going to overthrow america, ban the national anthem and kill god.
I mean, I'm not sure where I stand on the slaying of deities but I'm pretty sure it counts as doing something. And stealing elections, again that's probably not in the "do nothing" column is it?
Can't see this going down well with the orange one; given the money that Adeleson pumped into trump's campaigns this a very clear message with a lot of weight behind it.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/las-vegas-review-journal-trump-defeat-436302
What's happening in Arizona, super slow counting but Trump's added over hundred compared to Biden adding only 13 today.
According go the chart I'm looking at.
Here's a question. What's the mechanism for ensuring the electoral college voters actually vote for the candidate that won their state? Could these votes be subverted in some way and the election ACTUALLY stolen? (well probably not, he'd have to turn a couple of big states or loads of little ones the way the figures stack up)
tthew
Full MemberHere’s a question. What’s the mechanism for ensuring the electoral college voters actually vote for the candidate that won their state?
Lynchings, essentially.
Arizona votes have updated properly now, ignore my last post but Trump keeps closing that gap strangely.
Georgia & Arizona shouldn't be this close.
Most seemingly well informed commentators think this is about Trump desperately trying to stay relevant and not admit to being a loser, and the silence/collusion from Republicans is about keeping voters riled up for the Senate runoffs - rather than a genuine attempt to stage a coup. Who knows with crazy Donald though.
Thanks slowoldman, that explains it nicely.
this nonsense from Trump is also about raising money to pay his debts from the campaign
this nonsense from Trump is also about raising money to pay his debts from the campaign
The political appointments suggest it's more sinister and/or deep rooted than that.
On Pod Save America they are saying that sources suggest Trump knows he has lost but is playing up the coup scenario as 'theatre' for his supporters, as they wouldn't want him to go down without a fight - although obviously it's mainly about feeding his rampant narcissism.
I don't like this "we're/they're not really serious" narrative.
Is it just me or is this last one percent of votes taking forever to count, then there's the Georgia recount dragging on till Wednesday.
Is it just me or is this last one percent of votes taking forever to count, then there’s the Georgia recount dragging on till Wednesday.
I think they're just checking that all the valid votes have been accounted for. Depending on the state, postal ballots can be valid if they were postmarked by specified dates, even if they arrive late. There are also overseas votes (many of them from military personnel) that arrive late, so they need to check that there aren't any outstanding valid ballots before they can sign off on it. In most states, there won't be enough of those to make any difference, but when the margin is close, it's mathematically possible that late arriving ballots could change the outcome.
Anyone else worried yet?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/trump-election-concede-republicans-democrats
No, ignoring him whilst preparing for office is the right path.
You can’t fight a liar with truth.
Meanwhile the biggest republican donor is slagging Trump in his media outlet and Fox News has dropped him too.
Let the dying fish thrash on the dockside.
Anyone else worried yet?
I don't think serious people are worried about Trump succeeding with his refusal to concede. What I think people are worried about is the precedent the Republican Party is setting, which is really intended to undermine confidence in democratic institutions.
Yup... what happens when, in future, USA politicians point out the latest Putin "election" shenanigans....?
JOB DONE.
Anyone else worried yet?
Hey, you told me NOT to worry about exactly this... and I'm doing my best, despite all the past evidence of norms being overturned.
Anyone else worried yet?
The BBC has a less hysterical view of it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54909817
In short, no, I'm not worried. Biden will be President on the 20th of Jan and it's possibly better for all concerned if Trump is kept busy until then.
They're sowing the seeds of doubt (more like cultivating the ones they sowed ages ago) so that as time goes on more and more people doubt the legitimacy of elections*, not this one specifically, but all of them.
If they can get the doubts properly embedded now then it makes it even easier to (falsely) claim it's rigged/fraud next time, heck, they'll even refer to this one as 'evidence' of previous issues.
It's not necessarily about getting this one overturned, it's about setting up the narrative that fraud happened, the other side did it, and that they should have won, and should win the next one. It's all about discrediting an opponents win as something that is 'wrong'.
*ones they lose anyway, of course the ones they win are valid 😉
It seems he is being handled as any capricious and dangerous leader might be handled. By being allowed to piss and moan and vent and whinge whilst simultaneously minimising the actual damage. For sure some close aides have drunk the kool aid but lots of GOP members play longer games than that. The orange gibbon only turned up to politics a few years ago and will disappear from it equally quickly.
If he continues to vent evidence free accusations he isn't doing anything more serious.
Hey, you told me NOT to worry about exactly this…
I'm not really 🙂
It's an interesting counterpoint though to the assumption that all is ok, and I can never resist the temptation to dampen the mood.
From the Guardian article:
It might be too much of a power grab. One would hope that American politics have not become so tribal that a political party is willing to seize power without a plausible basis for doing so rooted in the actual votes of the citizenry,”
‘One would hope (not)’
No lessons learned there then. Ever since 9/11 and the proliferation of dumbed-down internet-borne talk-radio-style conspiracy-prattle on crack...
...it’s become more tribal than ever. Beginning to take hold in the UK also.
Didn't the investigation into 9/11 conclude a delayed transition to Bush may have contributed to the US lowering its guard?