[Closed] Two thirds of a pint? Say what now?

Oh yeah. It's bloody lovely in pints though 😉

Now if I could find somewhere that sold Duvel in pints....:D

284ml - not poncy
330ml - poncy
379ml - poncy
440ml - quite poncy
500ml - quite poncy
568ml - not poncy
660ml - not poncy unless overpriced Peroni
1136ml - not poncy

Edit - open for debate as I notice you asked how we feel. Hope you don't mind the Stein being added.

perhaps we could just say that anything over 1 litre is by definition not poncy.

also, 250 ml stubbies - not poncy?

Just order 3 of them (and ask for a couple of empty pint glasses).

It crossed my mind. A quick scan behind the bar showed no sign of anything that might hold a pint. 🙂

No jam jars?

[quote=philjunior ]440ml - quite poncy

A "quite poncy" beer:

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aracer - Member
philjunior » 440ml - quite poncy
A "quite poncy" beer:

lets get one thing clear (ha), a glass with a stem is a LADIES GLASS!

Head brewer in a micro brewery here.
[url= https://www.siebelinstitute.com/products/sensorykits/ ]these[/url] are developed as a training aid for brewers to replicate off, and different flavours in beer. They work by adding a small amount of the actual compound that creates flavours like acetic acid, lactic acid, pear drops etc into base line beer sample. what wrecker describes sounds like Acetaldehyde. You'd be surprised by the amount of beer that gets sold over the bar that has recognisable defects.
The thing with real ale is that it isn't finished when it leaves the brewhouse, it requires cellaring properly to come into condition and its final flavour profile. What people are calling craft, generally in can, keg or bottle, doesn't. Its flavour is fixed at the point of packaging, as no oxygen comes into contact with it afterwards. hopefully.
I'll drink either, in any size glass, though i like my food on a plate

So glad I'm not a close minded idiot though.

Gosh, that's quite strong.

[i]checks his profile[/i]

Ah, I see where you live. That's almost a compliment, then...

Ah, I see where you live. That's almost a compliment, then...

Fights outside kebab houses?

But CAMRA was about putting real beer back into local pubs at prices people could afford.
Not identikit, over strength IPA sold to idiots by shysters at prices that would make a printer ink magnate weep with envy.

+1, I can understand the need for craft beer in the US and Australia, where it can be a real struggle to find a decent beer, but thanks to CAMRA it has been pretty easy to find good quality beer in the UK for a long time.

Don't knock Innes & Gunn just because they contract out their brewing, don't know their products, but there are plenty of good "brewers" who have nice recipes that are contract brewed. These modern large breweries are very good at producing a wide range of recipes nowadays. You would be surprised to learn who contracts out all or part of their brewing.

Re: pricing, it is all very well looking at the ingredient cost, the biggest element is often duty and these small brewers get very substantial duty incentives which will more than cover the increased ingredient bill.

+1, I can understand the need for craft beer in the US and Australia, where it can be a real struggle to find a decent beer,

I'm talking 10-15 years ago when I went there regularly, no need to go anymore.

Cause honestly there is a fantastic selection available all over the place, nz, and us was similar. Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic 😉

Also nothing wrong with trying new things you might like them

If you guys get all het up about 2/3rd measures you'd hate US Pints.

Are they fatter?

Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

Hardly, it was owned by S&N and most of its production was brewed in Edinburgh, funnily enough I helped the family buy it back.

It was generally on the guest ale tap in lots of pubs back then...
No need to knock the Oz beer industry or be anti snob about craft, people doing things differently should be encouraged not looked down on

It was generally on the guest ale tap in lots of pubs back then..

It wasn't actually, the main reason S&N sold it was because they struggled to get it into pubs as a guest beer, it was portrayed as a "guest" in their retail chain, but was a house beer.

No need to knock the Oz beer industry or be anti snob about craft, people doing things differently should be encouraged not looked down on

I am not sure I did, just said they was a greater need, most knocking seems to come from craft lovers - but considering how much they pay, it is not surprising as they are more heavily invested.

Hardly, it was owned by SN and most of its production was brewed in Edinburgh, funnily enough I helped the family buy it back.

I used to live just up the road from Masham when they still brewed it there (and IIRC there was still some local production for a while even after Scottish and Newcastle got their hands on it). When they stopped making it locally, most pubs switched to Black Sheep. When I worked in a couple of local pubs I still remember the strict talking to about how and when the wooden casks should be tapped to be ready for when the previous one should run out.

Any establishment that puts the words 'craft' and lager' together, without bursting into hysterical fits of laughter, deserves to be fire-bombed!

Actually, one of the only reasons 'craft lager', or even 'real lager' never took off is that replicating Carling Black Label is actually really difficult. Any brewer can replicate pretty much any ale give access to the yeast*, but lager;
Firstly, takes actual skill to get something that defect free out of the primary fermenter.
Secondly, takes months of conditioning.

I can get a pint of homebrew from grain to glass in a week if I'm organised and manage the yeast well. Sitting it in a barrel of 6 months at 3C costs money though, which why places famous for their lager, tend to also be famous for their caves (Bavarian alps etc).

To put that in financial terms PBC will install you a 12bbl brew house for about £30k, or a lager brewhouse for £75k, plus the cost of the brewery having to hold stock for that long.

*and thank's to the Americans with White Labs and WYeast getting that particular 18th century Trappist strain you've been searching for has never been easier.

Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

**not the draught mass produced brown biscuity rubbish you can still get.

[quote=mikewsmith ]Cause honestly there is a fantastic selection available all over the place, nz, and us was similar. Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

Not really, as explained above, but you couldn't even get anything anywhere near that quality in most bars in NZ that long ago, nor in Australia 20 years ago (which is when I was last there). I was much more of a regular in UK pubs when I made those trips and certainly drinking real ale - there was a distinct contrast in the availability of good beer in bars in Australia and NZ at the times, you had to go to a real effort, whilst good real ale was available in most UK pubs (at least the sort I visited).

Any establishment that puts the words 'craft' and lager' together, without bursting into hysterical fits of laughter, deserves [s]to be fire-bombed![/s] whatever they can charge.

And as I said today the "craft beer" thing means we have probably more good breweries and bars opening here than the UK, in a reverse of the pub closing trend we are opening ones. Choice is fantastic 🙂

Yeah totally. Amazing range of beers here. Used to live across the road from Little Creatures in freo. Mad Monk, Sail and Anchor. Feral. Gage Roads. Squires. Coopers.

Did used to like Theakstons XB though.

The irony is probably that 25 years on you're probably even less likely to ever see cask boddingtons now!

More like 45 years on, Camra started in 1971.

The range of great beers in Australia and US is incredible, far outstrips the UK. And if I want to taste as many of them as I can in a night I'm going to want to drink schooners (or US pints, though with the double IPAs in the brewery down the road from me in Berkeley that means a max of two drinks before things go a bit sideways).

I used to live just up the road from Masham when they still brewed it there (and IIRC there was still some local production for a while even after Scottish and Newcastle got their hands on it).

I'm pretty sure they never stopped production completely - but I don't think the old brewery could have coped with the subsequent volumes. Modern breweries generally produce a much more consistent product - but lack the history and consequent romance.

Boddies was ace.
A proper session pint, the gold top of beer, a genuine meal replacement.

I always thought Boddington would make an excellent middle name too:
Alexander Boddington Whatever.
A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

One of them has, he runs the company that does the phone votes for American Idol etc. It was a fine beer.

Boddies was ace.
A proper session pint, the gold top of beer, a genuine meal replacement.

Boddies [i]Cask [/i]was ace.

I think the only time I can recall getting a pint of regular Boddington's that wasn't fit to clean boots with was from the Brewery Tap when they were still brewing at Strangeways.

A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

Are you thinking of Bonnington? (-:

Schooners? Pwaw, you're not doing too badly, guys. In my (new) local, I was fed up with annoying 300ml bottles (in combination with very slow table service being the norm), it was just not slaking my thirst!

I perused the drinks menu looking for the largest looking serving, based on the handsome pictures provided...

It turned out to be a Warstiener, which when it came 10 minutes later was a 200ml bottle, served with a flourish!

It seems the photos are "not to scale"

Hardly worth it really, but apparently just ordering 5 at a time is considered uncouth, and will only harm the image of the Brits.

I might upload a photo of the local later though, it makes it just about worthwhile!

Boddies Mild was rather tasty too.
Whilst we may mock Theakstons and Boddies (and perhaps John Smiths, although that is justified these days), they did at least continue to brew proper beers when most other stuff went to keg. Ok they were bought out by the biggies and were more a brand towards the later days. They did at least make proper beer. If they didnt, perhaps proper beer may have gone almost completely, if the biggies had had their way, it would have.
It does trouble me a little that, yes microbrewing is very popular now, what happens when the next drinking fad comes along? Remember Irish beers and themed pubs in the 90's? Its pretty rare to see Caffreys and Murphys on sale anywhere these days.

Its quite interesting to realise that Camra has more or less achieved its goal of keeping REAL beer freely available and it is flourishing. Its taken nigh on 50 years to return to the times of plenty and choice. Lets hope that things dont regress when the hipster bubble bursts (and it will!).

Schooners are for people with no taste in beer.

I give you the shameful beer of the north east in its traditional glass, a schooner.

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2/3 glasses should only be for beers over 10%.

To be honest, I was a strict lager drinker until this real ale stuff became popular, and I actually prefer it to lager unless the weathers really hot, although im strictly a blonde style drinker, can't stand dark ones.

I used to think that things like john smiths was just something that old men drink in wetherspoons, and it tastes like dish water to me.

So whether it Hipsters or CAMRA or both, I'm gratefull for the exraordinary variety of different flavours available now.

Sssscho am *hic* I.

[i]2/3 glasses should only be for beers over 10%.[/i]

Unless you know, you want to try a few different ones throughout your evening without getting totally bombed, find one you really like, then go for the pints. Most pubs rotate thier stock every so often so going strignht for a pint of a new type is a bit of a waste if you dont like it.

I'm pretty sure they never stopped production completely - but I don't think the old brewery could have coped with the subsequent volumes

I used to go for the black lagers or coopers in Aus back in 98/99

In NZ, Montieths brewery in greymouth was my favourite!

Unless you know, you want to try a few different ones throughout your evening without getting totally bombed, find one you really like, then go for the pints. Most pubs rotate thier stock every so often so going strignht for a pint of a new type is a bit of a waste if you dont like it.

Any good pub will let you have a taste for free to save you buying a drink you don't like.

To be honest, I was a strict lager drinker until this real ale stuff became popular,

It's been popular since I started drinking many moons ago, it's had some what of revival in recent years in being available in pretty much most pubs.

it's had some what of revival in recent years

I think that's rather understating the ale revival.

I think that's rather understating the ale revival.

Lots of new breweries popped up that's for sure.

Bloody hell. A "Tulip" glass.

How the hell you gonna glass someone with a tulip glass?

Carter would be mortified....

It gone from a declining market like all other beers to a small growth market - but still very much dominated in volume terms by the bigger Brewers.