http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39662315 looks like terrorism
Good grief
No surely not terrorism, it will be mental health issues again no doubt ...
Nothing to see here, move along. Just another random incident.
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It'll be some nutty christian again. God bothering bastid.
Sad times, if the Internet didn't exist stuff like this wouldn't happen
Must be the KKK ...
It is true though ! Don't give it any media coverage at all. It will soon stop .
It's all about media coverage.. And it will bolster the extreme right politicians in France.
Such a farce...
One or two people got shot, so what, how many people get stabbed and beaten up each year in London, why isn't that news?
Priorities people!
It's all about media coverage.. And it will bolster the extreme right politicians in France.Such a farce...
WTF? Who gives a shit? Two police officers have been killed just doing their jobs, kids are left without their parents and parents without their kids and all you can do is moan about the political fall out?
FFS get a grip.
People get killed and die for various reasons all the time.
I don't see why one shooting makes any difference, try to be a bit more pragmatic.
This particular instance and media outrage helps anyone.
Well said mattyfez.. some knee-jerk bed wetting going on here
how many people get stabbed and beaten up each year in London, why isn't that news?
It is.
People get killed and die for various reasons all the time.
Yes this is it, we don't know them personally and they aren't even in England ffs. Isn't this just acceptable collateral damage for having open borders and freedom of movement?? Surely no one will vote for Le Pen!
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People get killed and die for various reasons all the time.
Trying to pretend there isn't a problem with Islamic extremism seems foolish. Burying your head in the sand isn't a good look.
Killing 2 people is murder it only effects the victims and those around them.
By calling it a terrorist attack, it becomes something much bigger it causes"terror" amongst the general population it gives them what they wanted, if everyone just said some nutter killed 2 people it doesn't do that.
The media make them into martyrs
The media make them into martyrs
You say media, I say Death Cult, let's call the whole thing off.
Oh dear...
So in fact it was actually just a copper hating nutjob..
Islamaphobic slightly racist arseholes caught red handed... again
Oops
Although Reuters just reported:
Written note defending Islamic State found next to body of Paris attacker - judicial source
Oops accepted
Reuters say it was someone known to security services, that they monitored travelling from Belgium.
Monitored?
People love this shit because it plays into the narrative: scary world, nasty muslims blah blah blah which is what sells papers. Awful for the families but in the grand scheme of things very minor news.
Air pollution in France kills 48,000 a year. By any rational measure that would be a crisis, and much more major news than terrorism - if it was dealt with in the same way the papers would be full of AIR POLLUTION TRAGEDY MUST BE STOPPED, and we'd set up a task force, spend loads of money on it. But because it's not sexy news and doesn't play into the scary muslims narrative no-one gives even the slightest of shits about it.
Written note defending Islamic State found next to body of Paris attacker
Without wishing to sounds all tinfoil hat - there does seem to be a slightly suspicious amount of passports and other convenient documents found at the scenes of these incidents.
grum - MemberPeople love this shit because it plays into the narrative: scary world, nasty muslims blah blah blah which is what sells papers. Awful for the families but in the grand scheme of things very minor news.
Air pollution in France kills 48,000 a year. By any rational measure that would be a crisis, and much more major news than terrorism - if it was dealt with in the same way the papers would be full of AIR POLLUTION TRAGEDY MUST BE STOPPED, and we'd set up a task force, spend loads of money on it. But because it's not sexy news and doesn't play into the scary muslims narrative no-one gives even the slightest of shits about it.
This kind of fallacious whatabouttery gets trotted out every time Islamists do what Islamists tell us they want to do. Air pollution doesn't kill 48,000 people. It contributes to the premature death of 48,000 people. Ie, if you could have lived to 70 in clean air, air pollution might contribute to a number of diseases which might kill you at 65. It's the same as saying 40,000 people die from smoking in the uk - cigarettes don't storm into your house, murder your family and defile their corpses while broadcasting it live on Facebook and dedicating their slaughter to some bullshit bronze age sky fairy cult.
Even if you substitute "air pollution" for disasters, fires, floods or killer bees your sophism still falls apart because these things will not keep coming back to kill you and they cannot be reasoned with. A flood does not premeditatively attempt to kill as many people as it can, it's just a flood. It didn't plan to do what it did, but Islamic fundamentalists are people who make a conscious decision to kill other people. What's more they can convince other people to kill other people.
grum
Written note defending Islamic State found next to body of Paris attackerWithout wishing to sounds all tinfoil hat - there does seem to be a slightly suspicious amount of passports and other convenient documents found at the scenes of these incidents.
People who are killing in the name of Islam are proud that they are killing in the name of Islam. Depending on where their families live it can be a great honour for them, even if they are living in the west they can use their family member's association with ISIS to bully and intimidate people in their communities.
This kind of fallacious whatabouttery
It's not fallacious whataboutery. If you genuinely think that the media coverage of islamic terrorism is proportional and reasonable then you're an idiot, frankly. They're the current bogeymen of choice even though, for instance, according to American Law enforcement homegrown right-wing wackjobs are their no 1 priority.
This is all pretty simple, obvious stuff and if you can't recognize it you're going to have a very skewed vision of the world:
What is regarded as newsworthy varies according to the type of news outlet, i.e. it differs between newspapers, as well as television channels, depending upon the type of person who is thought to be reading or watching. These news values were catalogued by Galtung and Ruge (1965) and include:Extraordinariness – unexpected, rare, unpredictable and surprising events have more newsworthiness than routine events because they are out of the ordinary, e.g. the tsunami that hit south-east Asia in 2004 or the unexpected death of Diana, Princess of Wales in 1997.
Threshold – the bigger the size of the event, e.g. war or natural disaster, the more likely it will be reported nationally.
[b]Unambiguity – events that are easy to grasp are more likely to be reported than those which are complex.[/b]
Reference to elite persons – the activities of the powerful and more recently, celebrities such as footballers, television personalities and pop stars are perceived as more newsworthy than the exploits of ordinary people.
[b]Reference to elite nations – stories about people who speak English as their first language, look the same and have similar cultures as the audience receive more coverage than those involving people who do not[/b], e.g. the USA is more newsworthy than most other countries. [b]Even disasters are subject to this news value as symbolised by McLurg’s Law named after a British news editor, who once claimed that 1 dead Briton was worth 5 dead Frenchmen, 20 dead Egyptians, 500 dead Indians and 1000 dead Chinese in terms of news coverage.[/b]
Personalisation – complex events and policies are often reduced to conflict between personalities. This is because journalists and editors believe that their audiences will identify with a story if social events are seen as the actions of individuals, e.g. British politics is often presented as a personal showdown between the two party leaders.
[b]Frequency – news events that occur over a short period of time fit in with news schedules better than long-term structural events such as inflation.[/b]
[b]Narrative – journalists prefer to present news in the form of a story with heroes and villains, and a beginning, middle and end.[/b]
[b]Negativity – bad news is regarded by journalists as more exciting and dramatic than good news and is seen as potentially attracting a bigger audience. Stories about death, tragedy, bankruptcy, violence, damage, natural disasters, political upheaval or extreme weather conditions are therefore always rated above positive stories.[/b]
grumIt's not fallacious whataboutery. If you genuinely think that the media coverage of islamic terrorism is proportional and reasonable then you're an idiot, frankly.
If your elderly neighbour who is a regular smoker dies of a smoking related illness it shouldn't alarm you. If you don't smoke there's no reason to suspect that you will die suddenly from a smoking related illness. If debris falls from an airplane and kills him in his garden there's still no real reason to believe that you will suffer the same fate.
However if the same elderly neighbour is butchered in his bed one night you will be alarmed. This is why media coverage of Islamist murder is not proportional to air pollution.
then you're an idiot, frankly.
I was trying to keep it kind of polite, but honestly you're the idiot if you think anyone will believe your bullshit argument about air pollution or if you can't understand people are not equally afraid of all the things that can kill them, nor are they equally empathetic to everyone who dies.
You were hardly polite.
However if the same elderly neighbour is butchered in his bed one night you will be alarmed. This is why media coverage of Islamist murder is not proportional to air pollution.
What on earth are you talking about? Carry on being ill-informed and scared about things that are extremely unlikely to ever affect you if you want.
Maybe change your FB profile pic so it's got a french flag over it. That'll sort it.
I think the solution here is for french people to be very scared and vote for LePen, then she can organise a frexit and all will be fine
ISIS definitely dont want a fractured & destabilised Europe 🙄
Without wishing to sounds all tinfoil hat - there does seem to be a slightly suspicious amount of passports and other convenient documents found at the scenes of these incidents.
Jihadists want to be identified, they want their actions to receive maximum publicity and to be certain that they are recognised and claim their 72 virgins. Also in France it's compulsory to carry ID, if you don't you'll attract maximum attention from the police if stopped. Grum you are thinking like a non-Islamic terrorist. Once these men and women are on their mission they absolutely 100% want to be fully and without doubt identified. They aslo wish to die in the act, that part is essential.
Also in France it's compulsory to carry ID, if you don't you'll attract maximum attention from the police if stopped.
That's very, very funny! ("Let him through Pierre, he has his ID. Ignore the long coat covering the home made bomb, the guns and knives clanking, the manic stare, the sweating and the continual Islamic mumbling...")
ISIS definitely dont want a fractured & destabilised Europe
However, as you have and the other wing hand wringers have stated, this is nothing to do with Islam or ISIS, but just some lone wolf nutter. 🙄