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[Closed] Turner Prize time! Art;or is it Fart??

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Ok so, we've had rooms where the lights go on and off, an unmade bed, sharks in tanks of stuff, and all sorts of other assorted crap. And, there's been the odd gem.

So, with this year's TP nominations in, is there anything that's caught your eye? same old usual load of pretentious toss? Or is there some genuine, proper, sincere creativity lurking in amongst the poncitude?

I quite like this; a derelict flat, what's had it's interior surfaces encrusted with copper sulphate cystals.

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That's quite funky, I think. Is it 'Art'? I jolly well have not decided yet. but I quite like it. It would be good to see 'in the flesh', to get a real sense of the colour and light.

I jolly well have not yet figured out what it means to me, yet, but I quite like it.

Anything caught your imagination, where you think 'ooh, I like that', or something that's properly boiled your piss?

[url= http://www.pu-tai.com/blog/labels/art.html ]This is an inertesting arty blog.[/url]


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 12:13 pm
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It was quite amazingly pretty the flat thing that Hiorns did. The crystals were really hard and sharp, and the floor was all uneven, really weird, hard to describe how odd it was. In a derelict flat in Elephant & Castle, most of it you couldn't really tell, but there were things like a bath and taps and things where you could see the underlying shape of the place.

I haven't seen any of the other things in person though, so it is hard to tell what they are like. If it was a prize for how cool things look in a picture in a paper / on the net, it'd be a shoo-in.

Joe


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 2:06 pm
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how did he do the crystals, are they just grown in a bucket and glue'd in or did he somehow get them to grow evenly on the walls?


 
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The Richard Wright work is really good. He had loads of pieces in the MOMA in San Francisco and they were really spectacular.


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 2:29 pm
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haven't seen enough of the work to really make comment, but that blog has some great stuff in it - my faves are urban camouflage and the polite umbrella!


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 2:30 pm
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joemarshall; is the flat still open to view? I woon't mind seeing that for real. Reminds me of an idea I had years ago, to encrust vases and things, with crystals. Why din't I do it? Fool.

The blog has some great stuff in it.

Check pon it:

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Bikey art!


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 2:34 pm
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The emperors new clothes.


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 2:36 pm
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[i]Is it 'Art'? I jolly well have not decided yet[/i]

It's not up to you


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:01 pm
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Well, it's a subjective thing. I decide what is 'Art', to me. Others may not agree with me. But I respect their right to be wrong.

Question: Who decides what is, or is not, 'Art'?


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:19 pm
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In the broadest sense, if the "artist" says it's art, then it is.


 
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Posted : 29/04/2009 3:46 pm
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Not really. If I shit in a jar, and call it 'art', is it art? I could make up all sorts of pseudo-intellectual bollocks, to accompany it, but that woon't make it art. Someone could quite easily just say 'no, it's not art, it's just shit in a jar'. And they'd be perfectly entitled to their onion. As well as being factually correct.

The concept of art is formed in the mind and imagination of the viewer.

Because, without the viewer, there can be no Art.

So stick that in yer pipe and smoke it! 😉


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:51 pm
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I just posted that, without seeing Bimbler's pic!

How mental is that!!!!!!!

Craaazeee...

Maybe, me and Bimbler have just inadvertently created some real Art!

'The product of two unconnected minds, working independently, yet arriving at the same conclusion'.

£25 million pounds.

Bimbler; 50/50 on the proceeds, eh?


 
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AND NOW THE PIC HAS CHANGED!

This is surely too much...


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:55 pm
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Not really. If I shit in a jar, and call it 'art', is it art?

If you plop in a jar it's just plop in a jar. If an artist plops in a jar it's art.


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:55 pm
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So, what makes an artist an 'artist', then...?


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:56 pm
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As soon as you start thinking about if it's art or not it becomes art.
I think everything is art.
If you like it or not is certainly not a criteria.


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 3:58 pm
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So, what makes an artist an 'artist', then...?

Someone who makes art.

And around we go.


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 4:01 pm
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what traildog says. Art is a bit like culture. There is no purpose to any of them, so basically it can be anything.
Is it meant to shock? To makes you react? To show the labour of the artist? Is banksy art? Is it not? Is engineering art too?
Is physics and math culture?

See you can't really have a straight answer to any of this question. To summarise you can say that anything that is related to the creation/creativity is art, whether it's during the making or during the exhibition.


 
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The flat was only open last year I think - it was in one of the bits that are going to be demolished.

What he did was tank the whole place out, then pour in the liquid from the floor above, sort of like a giant version of the growing crystals on a paperclip etc. experiment people do at school.

Joe


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 4:10 pm
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But I respect their right to be wrong.

Hehe, you said you'd use that one one day...


 
Posted : 29/04/2009 5:41 pm