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It sounds to me like a unilateral contract change, primarily to amend working hours to include nights and weekends for no additional payments, and with no consideration for those who want to retain their existing working hours.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 10:29 am
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Out of interest, those of you who suggest that striking should be illegal, what alternative would you suggest? The power balance is weighted in the employers favour anyway by virtue of the fact that they are the ones dishing out wages. Unions already negotiate from a position of relative weakness. How would you prevent a return to the days of 80hour working weeks, terrible, unsafe working conditions, unpaid/no leave, being paid in tokens only redeemable in the company shop... These are things that the right to strike by organised unions have changed. Without the right to strike, we would still be pseudoslaves to our wealthy paymasters.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 10:45 am
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On our line we probably have someone on the track about once a week, often more, and I've lost count of the times they've escaped unhurt or with only minor injuries because of the drivers reactions.

A computer could react faster and not need breaks. Automation is the way forward long term.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 10:58 am
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After enduring transport chaos in London today resulting in the loss of a client meeting (and possibly some business for us), I'd personally sack the lot of them and give their jobs to someone who is grateful to have a job.


Nah, your bosses should sack you and your colleagues and replace you all with computers.

or replace you with someone who reads the news, knows there's going to be transport problems and plans accordingly


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:09 pm
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Maybe you should shop around a bit; Most RRV Paramedics are earning more than you around my neck of the woods, and front line 'Paramedic Managers' are up there with the tube drivers after a few years in their role...

Which trust is that then and what skill set are the asking? As the standard AfC for Paramedic is band 5.

Also, what level of management are you talking about?

Edit: Wait I've found it, guess what WMAS pay band 5 too.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:21 pm
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Which trust is that then and what skill set are the asking? As the standard AfC for Paramedic is band 5.
Also, what level of management are you talking about?

WMAS. Box fresh DCA paras Band 5,
All RRV paras Band 6 (capped at upper gateway) Have to agree to but not have completed an additional skills course of about 3 weeks duration.
Clinical Mentors Band 6,
any other specialism Para Band 6 (MERIT, Air Ops, HART, etc)
Area Support Officers = bottom rung managent, Bronze/Operational Commander (depending on if you've done JESIP ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) are Band 7 plus the 25%.
Assistant Area Managers and Area Managers are 7 and 8a respectively, with lower %uplifts but they get a work lease car and on call allowances.

Oh and 'legacy' techs and Paras who were in Trust during the A4C dispute are all band 5 and 6 respectively, regardless of RRV or DCA. (But capped at upper gateway as was negotiated to end the dispute.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:36 pm
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I'm a member of a union, but I joined to ensure that the terms and conditions that I signed up to are honoured, not so I can hold my company to ransom to increase those terms in my favour.

I'm a big beleiver that if I think I'm worth more than my company has agreed to pay me then I'm free to be able to find a job that pays me such...

If a tube driver/ticket collector thinks they are worth more than they are getting paid why don't they leave and find another job? Its not as if they've spent years training to get where they are, unlike doctors, nurses etc etc.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:43 pm
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All RRV paras Band 6 (capped at upper gateway) Have to agree to but not have completed an additional skills course of about 3 weeks duration.
Clinical Mentors Band 6,

So not standard Paras. I heard WMAS were doing something like that, I can see other trusts adopting it. I did a trial course 3 years ago which is now being rolled out but still voluntary. It'll give fuel for our staff.

Area Support Officers = bottom rung managent, Bronze/Operational Commander (depending on if you've done JESIP ) are Band 7 plus the 25%.

Kind of my role. Cheers for that as they've agreed on a review once the role has been substantial. ๐Ÿ˜€


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:43 pm
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I'm a member of a union, but I joined to ensure that the terms and conditions that I signed up to are honoured, not so I can hold my company to ransom to increase those terms in my favour.
So, exactly what the tube staff are striking for them? Ironic post is ironic. it's about CONDITIONS, not money.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:48 pm
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I'm a member of a union, but I joined to ensure that the terms and conditions that I signed up to are honoured

Um...

The underground staff are on strike for [i]exactly[/i] that reason...

Maybe try finding out facts before criticising people.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:49 pm
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So not standard Paras.

Not very many 'standard' paras exist, though. Work on a car? Band 6. Mentor? Band 6. Work on a combined car truck rota? Band 6. Band 5 is more of a training wage, really.
I can see other trusts adopting it.

Good luck with that... (Chuckling)
Kind of my role. Cheers for that as they've agreed on a review once the role has been substantial.

Good luck with that too (genuinely)


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:54 pm
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I'm in a union, and have been on strike a couple of times. It's only ever done as a last resort because of course you lose your pay.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 12:57 pm
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R4 had some brilliant interviews last night.

the one that tickled me most was one chap complaining about the inconvenience:

"took me 40mins to walk to work, the world is coming to an end!"

(or words to that effect)


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 1:01 pm
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Good luck with that... (Chuckling)

As I say I know many trusts are looking adding extra training to help ease the pressure by using better pathways, also paying more helps retain staff and as you know that's a big issue just now.

Good luck with that too (genuinely)

Cheers. Time will tell.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 2:41 pm
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As I say I know many trusts are looking adding extra training to help ease the pressure by using better pathways, also paying more helps retain staff and as you know that's a big issue just now.

True. It is definitely a bribe, rather than actually relating to any upskilling in our case. (My opinions are my own, do not represent the views of my employer, etc etc)


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 2:49 pm
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Hahaha!


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 2:50 pm
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A computer could react faster and not need breaks. Automation is the way forward long term.

Footflaps; the technology is there for driverless cars but I wouldn't fancy riding amongst them and having to trust the proximity sensors. The drivers often spot someone's body language that say's that they're about to jump and act accordingly.

You're probably right that it's coming in the future though, if we could fit PED's (platform edge doors) everywhere it would happen soon. The problem is fitting them into the restricted space we have, same problem with air con.


 
Posted : 10/07/2015 7:37 pm
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