Probably been done before, but FFS I am pig sick of some of the trucks on the M74 Dual Carraigeway section. There is a minority of them who insist on crawling past at 0.5mph differential and take about 10 piggin miles to get past the guy they are trying to overtake by which time about 100 other vehicles get held up behind them doing this. That is if they dont give up after about 5 miles and pull back in behind the guy they were trying to evertake in the first place. What is the piggin point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😡 😡 😡
Really pisses me off this does. It should be made illegal. Makes me want to undertake on the hard shoulder!!!
What makes it worse is I have to deal with the stupid ****ers at work!
Bastards.
This has been done before!
And the point is because when one truck is faster why should it not overtake?
It does make a difference when u get past a slower vehicle, if you sit behind it you are constantly having to break and if all trucks sat behind one another then how slow would the convoy be then!
Just remember we are doing a job delivering things round the country dor u, me and everybody to make use of. We work long hours, away from home all week in some cases, get hammered for fuel and get abuse, cut up, subjected to some horrendous car drivers attitudes and driving styles..and we do it all to provide a service to the country!
Without trucks u get nothing!
No bike bits, no phones, no shopping, no computers to post up threads on web forums...etc.
Have some patience! If ur in that much of a hurry leave earlier.
Makes me laugh, especially when I see a mile of cars all in the outside lane and nothing on the inside, as I sail past undertaking them, trying hard not to wave as I do so. Invariably I am then able to move back into the outside lane moments before the lorry moves over.
Great attitude I Ache!
Im not stupid and definately not a ****!.
Bet u sit right up the backside of them so they can't see u, and overtake them then cut right infront of them to take your exit with no thought to what could be in front of the truck or how the driver will stop in time if required!
44t+ takes a long time to haul up! Youd be kicking up **** if it hit u after u did that i bet!
if a truck is in the outside lane for 1 minute (its rarely a lot longer than that), it costs you 10 seconds of journey time. Not exactly the end of the world.
Bet you get annoyed when cyclists get in your way as well..
Did you scream at your windshield as you sat there impotent? WELL DID YOU!!!!!! Did you pull in front of the Lorry and slam your BRAKES on in a fit of RAAAAGEEEE ???????? SHOUTing MOVE YOU ****ING COCK JOCKEY, EH? DID YOU?? Bet there was FIVE SODDING MILES of traffic in the outside line with NOTHING in the inside lane too. Or did some moron undertake you as well as YOU sat there in the outside lane ALONG WITH everyone else and that really BoIls your PI$$ doesnt it, eh? EH? EEEHHHH?!!!! NNGNNGNNGNGNGNNGN1!!!!!!!! GET out Of THE WAY, GET OUT OF THE WAAAY. NEXT Timee make sure you have your indicator on ALL the time and flash your lights at anyonhe who inst doing 90 and has the BALLS to be in FRONT of YoU. Then Acelarate to an Hundered miles an our before having To sLam your breakS on and tailgating the next ****ting car infront of you. NNNFNFNGNGNGNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sure it's the minority of truck drivers who overtake on long hills and take about 2 miles to pull back in... but that minority are *****
we do it all to provide a service to the country!
😀 I salute you, saviour of the human race
Lol brakes you beat me to it.
A service my hairy arse, it's a job and no more.
Saying that, it is annoying but they do have every right to do it. What does annoy is when they pull out just as you reach them.
we do it all to provide a service to the country!
They don't pay you?
There is a minority that do that brakes, thanks for the salute! Ill let u in at road works next time i see u there.
Trucks seem to have pull i front of me at filter lanes on the side aswell..
Then we get abuse for not letting them in! Go figure.
Scotabroad and I Ache.
You need to be a bit more considerate of other people going about thier jobs. By extension, next time you are in an ambulance do you want it to wait in the traffic until someone who could not plan thier journey has thier moan and groan?
Chill out. It's not that important.
On the A34 between Newbury and Oxford they have a trial system in place on the hilly stretch where in peak hours anything over 7.5t is not allowed in lane 2. Seems a reasonable compromise and appears to work quite well.
I also do what Nick does. Normally these cars are all sitting at 56mph following a bloody truck.
They should all be limited by GPS then there will be no variations on how fast they can go they will all be going EXACTLY the same speed.
mike I have no problem with trucks overtaking when there is 3 lanes just when there are only 2 it puts about 10 mins on my journey to and from work every day.
Yes it is a job, but we are providing a service.
They don't pay you?
They pay nurses and ambulance drivers don't they? Think firemen get a wage too, and no one would deny that they offer a service.
To be honest, in this consumer frenzy age we live in I'm supprised we don't treat lorry drivers as minor deities let alone a recognise the the invaluable service they provide.
How long would it put on our day if we all did EXACTLY the same speed? Plus, some supermarkets limit them to 50mph! No need!
What does get me revved up is car drivers doing 52mph, then when i pull out to overtake they speed up and match my speed! Then i cnt get back in!
That is a good compromise macgyver. Just gets my back up when people start spouting off about "bloody truck drivers". We are just trying to do a job and get home to our families aswell.
Great attitude I Ache!Im not stupid and definately not a ****!.
Bet u sit right up the backside of them so they can't see u, and overtake them then cut right infront of them to take your exit with no thought to what could be in front of the truck or how the driver will stop in time if required!
44t+ takes a long time to haul up! Youd be kicking up **** if it hit u after u did that i bet!
Do you overtake on a dual carrageway when you have 0.5mph advantage and it is busy with other road users? If so then you are a **** if not then you arnt simples.
And of course I don't sit in the blind spot I position myself where they can't miss me and it is obvious I want to get past, I know where they can and cant see I deal with them daily at work.
BTW you arn on the road driving while on here are you? 😉
Cars speeding up like you describe must be bloody annoying when you have a good 4mph advantage on them.
They also have the system that macgyver describes on the M42 between J9 and J11 a lot of them ignore it.
i love it when trucks and lorries overtake each other 
it means all the malechickens who think they're allowed to break the law and drive over 70mph, flashing and trying to bully their way along the overtaking lane actually have to sit back and chill for a bit. Equally it means i can sit at 56mph without people assuming its me holding everyone up 😀
One of the most pleasurable things about long journeys is making a mental note of the aggressive drivers and seeing them battling down the overtaking lanes in a stress, whilst sitting perfectly chilled at 56-60mph in the left hand lane... almost never having to touch the brakes or waste fuel burning up the road to catch up with the next bunch of idiots who don't understand speed limits only to have to hit the brakes in a stress.
Not only do I arrive stress free, with more money in my pocket and having not put other peoples lives at risk in such a blatant selfish way, but i nearly always arrive at the same time as some of the malechickens i mentally took note of much earlier in the journey as they've created their own traffic problems with the ripple effect of accelerating/braking hard all the way.
I'm sure its only the minority of truckers who act in such a selfish way. The opp is clearly not having a pop at a slow overtake that speed restricted trucks are capable of. Its the stalemate that arrives when they are alongside completely blocking a dual carridgeway for mile after mile virtually matched in speed with neither driver willing to yeild.
haha. car drivers! oh dear
Good point well made Grimy.
If im being overtaken like that i knock the cruise control back a few mph to let them in and clear the traffic.
...and if all trucks sat behind one another then how slow would the convoy be then!
It *could* just go on the railways, like it used to...
I can't stand ****ish car drivers who sit doing sub 50 and as you go past them they then try and speed up - are they really so inferior & imbecilic?
10 Miles at 56 mph = 10.7 min
70 mph for 10.7 min results in you travelling 11.666 miles.
So you would be 1.66 miles further down the road had you not been held up for 10 miles. Once the trucks are out of the way this 1.66 mile will take 1.4285 min to cover at 70 mph.
You are now 1.4285 (1 min 25 sec) minuets late to you destination.
Overtake, give a safe distance, then lift off accelerator. Wup down the gears they go, lots of changes.
That'll teach the ****.
hora - Member
Overtake, give a safe distance, then lift off accelerator. Wup down the gears they go, lots of changes.That'll teach the ****.
Yes it will teach them that you are a bit of a dick.
when one truck is faster why should it not overtake?
Because it takes a fortnight when they're both limited to the same gorram speed. And when the leader finally manages to overtake and pull in, and five seconds later the one behind pulls out and tries to overtake, that really is taking the piss.
if a truck is in the outside lane for 1 minute (its rarely a lot longer than that), it costs you 10 seconds of journey time.
How long does it take to clear the subsequent two mile tailback that's formed by suddenly reducing the rolling speed of the entire carriageway by 20mph?
I wonder what the effect is if a truck has to drive at 55.9mph instead of 56mph for a bit?
Anyway. Like any demographic of road users, it's the minority of twunts that you notice and the majority of well-behaved ones you don't. I see plenty of well-behaved lorry drivers. I also drove past one the other day who was reversing across a main road with a mobile pressed to his ear.
Summary, inconsiderate people are inconsiderate.
FAIL: dual carriageway doesn't mean two lanes. I means the traffic in opposite directions is separated.
It would save all this trouble if cars were limited to 54mph.
average speed cameras on every road in the UK i say.
LOVE the things 😀
Sorry but just like any form of bad driving it's annoying for other road users. I regularly sit in a line of cars queing up behind the slowest race in Hampshire as two trucks battle it out mile after mile. These drivers simply don't care they are holding up everyone else's lives.No wonder they get a few hand signals! Don't even get me started on the Army convoys or Agricultural vehicles who also feel the need to creep along during peak rush our causing chaos behind them.
And how do u get it from railway stations to shops?
Vans? How many Vans to do that job then?
Yes it is the selfish, single minded morons u notice a cougar?
Expected more from u Hora, ur the kind of driver i enjoy not letting in at road works etc!
What a perfect bunch of car drivers u lot are! Maybe u could come and have a go at the job seeing as u are all experts.
Oh and all the limiters are not set the "gorram" same.
People have no patience nowadays!
Yes it will teach them that you are a bit of a dick.
Yes it does. Its only happened once but I managed to get in the way of a indie- haulier who seemed to be in a rush (probably empty trailer/wanted to go home) driving FAR TOO CLOSE TO ME so I just lifted off, he hit every light (seem to like as many lights as possible dont they indie's?) and the next thing you know hes backed right off probably fighting through his gearbox.
Why was I driving slowly?- torrential rain. I aint driving fast because some tool wants to chance.
Cock.
Funny how, when they have an employer written down the side they never give you any trouble at all.
Its always the independent hauliers who don't have to answer for their job or internal discplinary procedures.
Service?
Draw the products life from concept to consumer as a gant chart, the only people putting less into the process are probably the guys cleaning the toilets at the designers office!
Once the truck pulls back in, all the traffic that was behind it gets effortlessly past and onto a stretch of road that is now empty because of the temporary jam. After a very short length of time everyone shuffles around and gets back to a normal distribution and unless your junction is really close by, you end up getting to your destination at exactly the same time as you would have anyway.
Next time ur heading out D28Boy let everybody know so we can stay off the road incase we hold up ur life!
Heaven forbid people make a living by driving slower vehicles ..on the road of all places! Well i never! How utterly selfish!
Just look at the quality of driving/roadcraft and if its a corporate or indie truck.
Cars can pull from about 1500 rpm to somewhere like 5000 rpm. Trucks produce power from 1800 to 2500 (your truck may vary). If it gets out of the rev band on a hill, its at walking pace all the way, slowing traffic up even more.
For every truck delivering stuff in to the shops, there's 200 cars taking it back out again.
Who's causing the traffic jams ?
So u were lane hogging then Hora?
What if he had hit u?
Worth dying for? Just to make a point?
Do u people have this attitude when biking?
Oh and all the limiters are not set the "gorram" same.
In your haste to argue with everyone, "u" failed to read what I'd actually written. Try again.
I said "both," not "all," I was referring specifically to the particular situation where you get two trucks alongside each other, very clearly incapable of either of them overtaking the other.
What if he had hit u?
Hang on, so you're suggesting that a driver speeds up in adverse conditions to get away from a tailgating lorry driver, and if he doesn't and the truck drives into the back of him then it's the fault of the car driver?
U aren't the brightest really, r u?
although stomping on the brakes three inches in front of a LGV isn't exactly the brightest idea
True enough, the moral highground doesn't do you much good when you're suddenly very wide but incredibly thin.
The time where I've found it really annoying is when one lorry driver has tried to overtake another when the road widened to gain an overtaking lane.
Pretty much used the entire stretch to do it, and in the process stopped about 30 cars from performing overtakes before the road narrowed to a single lane.
and one other thought for drivers of all vehicles:[b] IT'S NOT A RACE!!![/b]
(unless you're on a bicycle in one of those 'unspoken challenge against that other cyclist' events of course)
Tsk, lorry drivers, eh.
They're as bad as cyclists.
If the is any group of road users that need a good slap, its tin-top drivers!
I pass hundreds of you every day, and the number that are actually paying any attention can be counted on one hand.
Yes it is a job, but we are providing a service.
Everybody in work provides a 'service' to somebody else in that case.
So what makes lorry drivers a special case?
I would especially like to ask that of the lorry driver yesterday who decided to pull out to overtake parked cars on his side of the road even though I was already halfway down the road and there was clearly no way he could get past.
So I stopped and waited for him to decide how he would proceed and he told me I should drive onto the pavement so he could get past.
Ahh, yes, that's sound advice - I should break the law because you couldn't be arsed* to wait for me to clear the parked cars.
*That should read 'you thought you could bully your way past because you were in a bigger vehicle'.
I got into a mexican standoff a couple of years ago; driving down a double-parked road for a good long distance, some halfwit in a van coming the other way (from just after where the parking ended and the road cleared) decides that rather than wait the five seconds it'd take for me to clear all the cars, he'll muscle on through and intimidate me into reversing all the way back down the road again.
After the usual "you reverse six feet versus me reversing 100 yards" gesturing, neither of us budging, I pulled a book out of the glove box and started reading. It only took a paragraph for him to realise that perhaps reversing two car-lengths to let me out would probably be the best option, cos I wasn't going anywhere.
I'm sure its only the minority of truckers who act in such a selfish way. The opp is clearly not having a pop at a slow overtake that speed restricted trucks are capable of. Its the stalemate that arrives when they are alongside completely blocking a dual carridgeway for mile after mile virtually matched in speed with neither driver willing to yeild.
Correct.
1981Milked - The point in the rant is the MINORITY of truck drivers. The majority are professional drivers getting on with their job, and the majority overtake in a reasonable time. But what I am on about is the few who literally take 10 minutes to get by like last night when I came down the M74, it really is out of order and I would guess attract the attention of any plod witnessing such an act??
After the usual "you reverse six feet versus me reversing 100 yards" gesturing, neither of us budging, I pulled a book out of the glove box and started reading. It only took a paragraph for him to realise that perhaps reversing two car-lengths to let me out would probably be the best option, cos I wasn't going anywhere.
My hero. *swoon*
Best lorry drive antic I saw was an artic fail to make a clean exit out of a retail park and drag it's trailer over the bonnet and front wing of a car, before driving off, seemingly oblivious to what they had done.
Cocks, all of them.
My hero. *swoon*
Get back under your bridge.
Get her!
Yeh we really enjoy sitting at 56 miles per hour, yes we can go quicker but why should we cos we know it annoys you. The government make the rules not us. Try sitting behind a truck for 2 hours coming on and off the throttle a sure fire way not to get your economical driving bonus. We sit on the limiter, different weights and engines and limiter settings mean we are much the same speed but there are occasions when overtaking is necessary and it can take time. Next time you are out practice what you preach and don't overtake see how long you can go.
Try sitting behind a truck for 2 hours coming on and off the throttle a sure fire way not to get your economical driving bonus.
Have you tried not driving quite so close? Works for me when following a middle-pedal-happy BMW in the third lane.
We sit on the limiter, different weights and engines and limiter settings mean we are much the same speed but there are occasions when overtaking is necessary and it can take time. Next time you are out practice what you preach and don't overtake see how long you can go
I'm not sure the argument is that you can0t overtake is the lack of courtesy to other drivers in the how and when you overtake. I remember following a Kwik Save truck one morning and he took all the overtaking opportunities to overtake other trucks generating a healthy tailback. This was over a 20-30 (iirc) mile stretch of road. I finally got to overtake him and then gave him the chance to see what it felt like to be held up, aparently he didn't like it as he tried to run me off the road on a roundabout.
It's all about sharing the roads and being courteous, no-one has more rights than anyone else, not you, not me.But if you drive like an idiot, don't be surprised if people return the favour. 😉
Just a thought. Maybe all you lorry drivers that obey all the road laws and show common decency towards other motorists by NOT overtaking on dual carriageways should be annoyed at the total bellend colleagues of yours that give you a bad name. And not other road users who you claim to be working for.
Try sitting behind a truck for 2 hours coming on and off the throttle a sure fire way not to get your economical driving bonus.
As a 'professinal' driver you should be able to hold your foot steady enough to not have to do that.
No cougar, im suggesting the driver hogging the lane should move over and let the faster vehicle(s) pass!
Not exactly the sharpest tool (being the operative word) yourself, making sweeping statements about people's intelligence by the posts on a bike forum!
However i do agree that there a number of halfwits driving HGV's so we can shake on that one.
Sorry for the delay in replying, i stopped to help at an accident caused by...a car driver trying to overtake a lorry on a wet and narrow country road!
Everybody fine tho thankfully and just away to get through. Long day!
So beforehand you were typing and driving then? 👿
Well he didnt answer me when I asked that earlier so in true STW style we can only assume that he was.
Now where has my pitchfork gone?
That's professional driver for you. They're better than us mere mortals and as professionals they can do what they want rather than leading by example. Respect is clearly something which we can demand rather than simply earning.
Fortunately I can't remember the last accident caused by a lorry driver talking on the mobile, falling asleep at the wheel or just driving like a turkey. So I guess they are all perfect, must be nice being perfect.
im suggesting the driver hogging the lane should move over and let the faster vehicle(s) pass!
The way I read it was that he'd pulled (left) back in front of the truck and then slowed down. Either way, point was that if vehicle A runs into the back of vehicle B, it's vehicle A to blame (except in atypical circumstances). Though as subsequently discussed, being "right" will be of little comfort to you in hospital.
Sorry for the delay in replying, i stopped to help at an accident caused by...a car driver trying to overtake a lorry on a wet and narrow country road!
Seriously? Good grief. 😯
I expect someone will have already mentioned how difficult it is to keep your speed up in a truck and that by even lifting off slightly can cause a dramatic fall in speed. But hey who cars idiots must get to the next hold up faster and if your faster you are clearly more important.
I pulled a book out of the glove box and started reading. It only took a paragraph for him to realise that perhaps reversing two car-lengths to let me out would probably be the best option, cos I wasn't going
LOL - I wish I had a book to do the same yesterday - it was certainly how I was feeling as he barrelled up toward me.
lifting off slightly can cause a dramatic fall in speed
So? Point is? They make other people reduce their speed instead because that's okay?
And if they were all limited to the same top speed by GPS there wouldn't be a problem. They are all tracked by GPS so why cant they be limited by it too? I know the tracking system I use shows me the current speed of the vehicle I'm looking at down to 0.1mph. If this were the case there really would be convoys rather than rolling roadblocks.
Miked you havn't had an accident have you? You have gone quiet. Maybe he is on one of his 4 hourly breaks and doesn't post on breaks.
No typing and driving for me! I was parked up waiting for my load then sitting waiting for the road to open.
It is hard being perfect, cnt deny that.
I see far more idiotic driving resulting in crashes from car drivers taking stupid and unnecessary risks..but then im a cock and not very bright so what do i know?
Yes Cougar..seriously. The car overtook me doing way more than the limit!
He met a lorry at the next corner, was going to fast and tried to avoid it, clipped the lorry, hit a wall and spun! The lorry ended up hitting a tree.
The passenger was to he airlifted but fog stopped that.
Perhaps when all company paid for car had the owning companies details on the back along with phone number and email address then LGV`s wopuld be allowed to just deliver, not be seen as a curse to the company car brigade.
Just a thought and not related to the thread.
How can it be hard being perfect? If you were perfect surely it[being perfect], along with everything else, would be easy.
I was parked up waiting for my load
Fnarr fnarr quack
Yes Cougar..seriously. The car overtook me doing way more than the limit!
Eeep. Hope everyone's alright. Moral of this story, etc.
Calm down and have a jam sandwich 😉
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=435
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LORRY driver Dennis Jackers was last night celebrating the first anniversary of starting to overtake fellow trucker Bob Mellows and the creation of a tailback described by the UN as a “crime against humanity”. ...............
Yeah paramedic said serious but not life threatening.
Bigger picture etc.
Love it Redthunder... If 1981miked had paid more attention to my post he would have understood that I too was simply berating the bad driving habits of the few ....not simply have a go at all lorry drivers who by and large are great drivers.OK I'll admit it I can't understand why the farmer needs to drive his s**t covered tractor at 10 mph at 5.30 pm on a very busy dual carriageway leaving a trail of cr*p behind him on the road ....but perhaps he had an urgent field to get to.
I don't really think all lorry drivers are cocks. I was pretending to be an idiot.
As someone who drives 45K per year I have daily interfacing with HGV's and in the main they're a decent bunch, they're only doing what I do and that's provide for their families. There are a few dickhead truck drivers but their is LOADS of dickhead car drivers.
What does piss me off is they are allowed in Lane 3 on 4 lane parts of motorways, lost count of the number of times they're 3 abreast and everyone else has to filter around them to get past, which causes mayhem behind them, BUT, much of the mayhem is caused by ****ers in cars who drive at the same speed or slower and generally hog the middle lane.
It should be illegal for a car to be overtaken by truck whilst clearly not breaking down or entering/exiting a motorway. Many people also don't realise trucks have lower speed limits on certain roads too.
But I'm fed up of having this 'without trucks you get nothing bollocks' rammed down my throat, I'm a salesman and if I don't sell anything there's sweet FA for the trucks to deliver 😆
To be fair, there's no shortage of brain donors on the motorways, irrespective of their choice of vehicle.
The M62 is a haven for the middle lane owners' club, bumper to bumper bimbling along at 60, an empty lane either side of them as far as the eye can see.
The M65 seems to be a hotbed of cars doing about 40 for no immediately apparent reason, though at least they mostly have the grace to use the the first lane. At least the 18 wheelers forced out into the second lane can manage to overtake them in less time than it takes me to grow a beard.
The M6 seems mostly to attract people who can't drive it a straight line for five miles without hitting something.
I_ache OT- roughly when did you sell me your forks?
Cougar middle laners are actually lazy drivers in the main. IMO. Think about it. How easy would it be to stop moving around so much, the one 'hassle free lane'
You are right about the m6 - bang on.