[Closed] Traveling by train ettiquette rant.

in the luggage space or in the vestiblue / doorway

I suppose that is fair enough IF there is a luggage space, but in a lot of trains down here there is not. Especially these types

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where there are just narrow doorways into the train and the bike racks are the only luggage areas apart from the racks above the seats.

you do realise that some prams will not fit in a car boot, never mind in a luggage space on a train don't you?

probably shouldn't bring such a pram on a train in rush hour then...

No - wheelchairs clearly have priority

I used to think that until I saw some Mr Creosote type in one the other week...

The train above is a Desiro model, made by siemens.

Double doors are used on commuter stock to ease ingress and egress at stations and speed up station dwell time, single doors allow more seats per coach and are used on longer distance train services.

Stil doessnt resolve the lack of space for us comuting cyclists though.

This thread = TJ at his best*

* for 'best' read 'argumentative insufferable bore'

To be fair he is just standing up for what he believes in - it's only fair that the mother of a young baby gives up the space, tries to find a suitable place to stow her pram and carry her young baby back to a seat (assuming one is available). Hell, she could just stand and hold it as TJ can gaze on triumphantly knowing he was 'in the right' whilst receiving rapturous applause from the rest of the travellers.

I'm with TJ here.

Shouldn't this thread be in the Special Needs forum?

What's the difference between leaving a pram in a bike space and oooo, I don't know....red light jumping?

Plenty, if you are a total hypocrite.

One is a law, broken by some for their own convenience, while the other is a small sign, ignored by some for their own convenience?

One would widely receive understanding from those around them and the other would lead to further hatred of the type of person/group to which they belong doing it?

Is there a union or forum for us bike trainers.

Also what tyres for bikes on trains.

Of course it's nothing to do with the assumption that many of you on here have children is it?

🙄

I don't.. That doesn't stop me thinking someone elders comfort is worth moving my ass for.

*calls TJ self moderation repair engineer*
"yes its gone AGAIN. What are my consumer rights, as its never worked properly since i got it. Not fit for purpose! "
"sorry mate, I've got a part worn Ernie lynch if you want to di a straight swap?"
"done!"
*ends call*

I don't have kids either.

Should I change my opinion, or is it ok not to fit in with the stereotype ?

no kids here just object to the hypocritical pin n mix rule game going on here

Also what tyres for bikes on trains.

not more than 2.2, preferably 2.1, as otherwise they won't fit into the stands and the bike won't be held very stably.

I have children but I would have done it if I didn't, just like I would offer my seat for anyone else clearly more deserving of it, as I always hold doors open for people, how I always offer help to people getting on and off buses etc if they have pushchairs or disabled.

I would like to think other adults would act in the same way. Evidently some still put themselves first.

MF - so you thinking in that situation I should not get on train? Its not a case of putting myself first - just wanting the use of the bike space for a bike so I can complete my journey. Is that really too much to ask?

Are you really saying parents should take priority over bikes int he bike space and thus no one with bikes can use trains - as there are so many parents the bike space would never be free.

o what do you think I should do instead? You are not allowed to travel wiuth the bike anywhere else on the train as it blocks the doorways or corridor - If I do get on and stand with it in the doorways I will either be put off by the guard of the person with the buggy will be made to move it

As for the non folding pram - I actually saw someone get told by the gurard on a train she should have booked it on and that she was charged a ticket for it.

Do you ever travel by train with a bike?

do you always treat cyclists a second class citizens?

You think that just cos you are a parent that trumps all. Well open your eyes and stop being so selfish.

YOur selfishness shines thru with making having children of equal status to being elderly or disabled. So you think a parent with a baby buggy is more deserving of the bike space than a person with a bike? despite the fact there are plenty of other places for the buggy and non for the bike.

I do find it breathtaking the anti bike rhetoric on here. Not suprising any more but somewhat saddening.

I think you should *think* yourself that someone else might be more deserving of the space yes. 100%

Evidently you don't and I am happy not to think like you.

Not anti-biking rhetoric, anti-selfishness.

So you don't think its selfish for a parent to leave the baby buggy in the bike space even tho that means I cannot use the train - but for me to ask her to move it so I can get on the train is selfish. There are plenty of other places for the buggy, none for the bike

You are incredibly selfish and arrogant with your " I am a parent and that trumps all" attitude

I am so glad most people are not as smallminded, arrogant and selfish as you are.

So come on MF - you say I should not ask her to move the baby buggy - what should I do then?

In your fictional scenario where you are [b]"unable to complete your journey" [/b]

(this phrase seems to be your latest "repeat until seen to be true" project )

Would it be easier for the fictional cyclist to wait for the next train (or just get off and try another carriage)

Or would it be easier for the fictional parent with the child and buggy ?

Even people who you find annoying are entitled to put their bikes in the space designated for bikes. Their bikes take precedence over other types of luggage or conveyance which have no right to be there.

That's it.

If there is other luggage space available then the buggy should be moved to it.

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TJ, it has absolutely nothing to do with my being a parent, it comes down to consideration for others with a need to use the space greater than my own.

A child in a pram is not luggage. A child in a pram needs looking after by its parent.

Given this entirely rhetorical situation, what would you have the parent do? Struggle to get the (most likely sleeping as it is a young baby) out of the pram, fold it up(assuming it is foldable) and try to find space to stow it whilst still carrying the baby on what might be, by now, a moving train?

And what if the parent of the child has taken that space as it is the last available space on the train? Would you expect them to get off so you could exercise your right to use the space set to one side for bicycles?

Evidently some still put themselves first.

it has absolutely nothing to do with my being a parent,

No, I am saying that I would behave in a courtious manner to other travellers whether I was a parent or not. I can say with certainty that I would never have told someone with a baby in a pram to move from a space just so I could use it - either as a spotty 20yr old or as a more mature parent as I am now.

I was simply brought up in that manner.

A compromise?

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This rant

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Urgh 57's. GWT's are prob the most unreliable ones out there too. Yuk.

Back to the OP. A busy train on a line with trains every 15 minutes. The OP has several choices;

Suck it up, get on the train and complete his journey but being quite within his rights to have a little moan about it.

Shrug his shoulders and catch the next train in 15

Get on board, state his rights as a bike is as important as a baby, get the women to move, and with absolutely no experience of kids or buggies perhaps make unhelpful comments. Perhaps even help her move, where to on a packed train we don't know exactly.

So on a packed train the OP took option 1.

I do find it breathtaking the anti bike rhetoric on here. Not suprising any more but somewhat saddening.

PMSL

Not anti bike just anti [img] [/img]

are you
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I'd never assume I could get a full-size bike into a crowded train - that's what folding bikes were invented for. Equally, I don't use a pushchair for my offspring - she goes in a sling and sits in a seat like a normal person.

So you're all wrong 🙂

Well traveling by train this weekend will never be the same again.

Equally, I don't use a pushchair for my offspring - she goes in a sling and sits in a seat like a normal person.

As for the non folding pram - I actually saw someone get told by the gurard on a train she should have booked it on and that she was charged a ticket for it.

and that is guff of TJ'esque proportions. All you are saying is your brand of selfishness is ok because it involves a child.

Is it also "Guff of TJ'esque proportions" that I agree with him, even though I have no kids 🙄

Or does mine count as a valid opinion.

What's the difference between leaving a pram in a bike space and oooo, I don't know....red light jumping?

Plenty, if you are a total hypocrite.

Can't help noticing how our resident stickler for the rules ignored this one...

Basic fact is that our trains are not geared up for mass movement of passengers with varying requirements. Ideally there would be adequate storage for bikes, prams, wheelchairs, daleks, whatever. However that is not the case. Trains, particularly at peak times, are woefully inadequate so it looks like it's "live and let live folks".

So MF - you think a parent have priority over the bike space on a train to a bike rider? You think if someone has put their baby buggy in the bike space I should not be able to get on the train? And you accuse me of being selfish - that really is breathtaking

konabunny - Member

"As for the non folding pram - I actually saw someone get told by the gurard on a train she should have booked it on and that she was charged a ticket for it."

Did you step in and correct him/her, based on your knowledge of the ScotRail rules (which you linked to above)?

No 'cos it is correct - based on the scotrail rules

So MF - you think a parent have priority over the bike space on a train to a bike rider? You think if someone has put their baby buggy in the bike space I should not be able to get on the train? And you accuse me of being selfish - that really is breathtaking

mastiles_fanylion

Agreed - I wouldn't have dreamt of taking my kids on a train as I couldn't imagine the hassle it would bring

so actually you have no idea at all what you are talking about? too posh for trains?

Suprising. People take kids on trains all the time with no great hassle. Its just that for trains to work everyone needs to be co operative and follow the rules.