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Got to laugh at these 'obsessives'. 😆
Having once been an 'obsessive', ie running 6 days a week with the odd twice in a day, I'm glad I saw the light.
Along came a bike ... 🙄
THM thanks, will look at Karvonen
Interesting, my comments on training when on the paleo diet seem to have been taken on board.
In what way? Missed that bit (seriously)
Mcboo - its very simple, I explained it on previous page.
Instead of simple % age of max HR
Take Max HR minus resting HR
Then take % ages
Then add back the resting HR
Really simple. You can put on a spreadsheet to adjust for changes (lowering 😉 ) of RHR
[i]Running is so simple, it's horrid but there's so little faff.[/i]
My OS will not permit [i]running[/i]
However, I do have....
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😀
C'mon Edukator - show them all that you're a good guy.
My guess is that you'll say...
Cut back on swimming as I can't make up that much time there... however I'm rubbish at it so I'm desperately trying to sort out technique.
Increase the running - this is now my top priority.
Rest some more.
Please 🙂
Solo - what is OS?
We're not obsessive C-G.
[i]Interesting, my comments on training when on the paleo diet seem to have been taken on board.
In what way? Missed that bit (seriously)
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iDave.
I'm just trying to ignore him.
Like I couldn't have come to my conclusion before [i]he[/i] turned up.
I replied to your e-mail.
Did you get it or are you still having e-problems ?.
CG.
You mention the bike.
Have you managed to try the road bike ?.
Lovely weather lately for a gentle spin.
😉
Interesting, my comments on training when on the paleo diet seem to have been taken on board.
I think Edukator has called win on this. Everyone else should record it as a 'loss' and report back here next week for re-training.
Matt
[i]Solo - what is OS?[/i]
[b]O[/b]perating [b]S[/b]ystem.
I used a computer based, Jamie style, analogy for my objection to running.
Oh, but, Jamie is the running man.
Oh, my bads.
Thanks for trying, but running is probably out, except when I run about with nephew once in a while, kicking a ball about on the park.
I can still out sprint him, but I'll not have the upper hand for too much longer.
In a year or two he'll speed up.
But I'll still be giving 100 percent.
😉
There were plenty of triathletes on TriTalk who followed the Paleo Diet (including IMers). There is a whole thread on it if my memory serves me correctly.
I think you'll find you're wrong there THM, edukator knows these things. You can't live let alone compete without generous amounts of bread pasta and potatoes.
Can we talk about tri-training instead of diet, for a few posts at least? C'mon Edukator, learn me up good.
Operating System.
I used a computer based, Jamie style, analogy for my objection to running.
Oh, but, Jamie is the running man.
Oh, my bads.
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I cant tell whether that is serious iDave or a joke, but I know that you and Edukator don't see eye-to-eye judging from the other thread!!
But if anyone is interested this was one of them:
http://www.tritalk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=81488&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
TSY - you must be the first triathlete that doesn't stress time in the bike as top priority!! You cant win a tri in the swim but you can certainly lose one!!
[damn, I am trying to wean myself off triathlons and TriTalk!!]
THM - it's by far my strongest discipline currently. Plus, I'm not going to win... so therefore, can't really lose. Just want to do my best!
You really should be doing more training if you ever want to win, TSY.
Ah, I see. It was my weakest (cycling) and still is and that was a drawback especially on HIM etc. Now I am a new convert to my bike and do much less running.
Jamie - actually that seems only an average schedule for most age groupers (sorry TSY) - no chance of winning off that (again sorry TSY)
[edit for the post below - OK iDave, its a nice swim and ride to a 10k running [b]race[/b] !!!]
bike for show, run for dough...
bike for show, run for [b]dough[/b]...
Nice National Bread Week reference!
I might buy a French Stick tonight, just like I celebrated national pie week.
THM - I've been saying that for ages about my training volume... it really isn't a lot!
[i]bike for show, run for dough... [/i]
I like my bike.
Its about 11 years old, I bought it in France while I was working there on the Mk 2 Focus.
has quite old spec stuff on it.
But its still around 9 Kg and I love to use it.
Ali frame, MTB pedals, 105 gear set.
❓
Does this explain the lactate thingy ?.
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TSY - one reason why I never went beyond HIM. The required volume for a full IM is just too much to fit in with family and work (at least for me) and I had no interest in plodding round a full IM.
HIM is much more do-able with reasonable performance and great balance between speed and endurance for my age (ie 45-50). Just so stupidly expensive!!
THM - I know a couple of guys who do IM. One who's reasonable at it and is just naturally gifted, the other not so but gets up at 4am for training rides and has a job that pretty much allows him to be in the gym allday... not for me ta.
Solo - why are you so anti-running? I'm sorry that I'm so useless - wussed out of riding the road bike but had op around 10 days ago. I dunno. 😕
[i]Solo - why are you so anti-running? I'm sorry that I'm so useless - wussed out of riding the road bike but had op around 10 days ago. I dunno.[/i]
CG.
I'm not against anyone else running, but I don't.
I use to enjoy a sprint, but the long stuff was difficult even as a young skinny streak of a teenager.
Also, I just found it to be soooo boring.
In my limited experience, the only time during adulthood I could run, was about 10 yrs ago after my apendectomy.
I was sub 11 stone, very thin and lean after a short stay in Hopsital.
Then I found I could run with little effort at all.
But still found it boring.
I only asked about the bike to give some constructive encouragement.
Just give it a gentle pootle on a quiet road, may be make it a reward journey with something nice at the end.
Be good to know that you've managed to get back to using your road bike.
Post Op recovery permitting.
How are you then ?.
Solo - running needn't be boring, you just need to mix it up and treat each run as a session. So one day a week was an off-road hill session, another day was endurance, another was mix it up with sprinting between lamp posts, bit of track work etc etc.
Off road is the best especially at this time of year when there are bluebells to be admired, birdsong to hear, lambs gambolling and the British countryside is to be enjoyed. 8)
No bikey for around 2 months, quaffing pain killers and anti-inflammatories still, without much relief. Thanks for asking though. 🙂
Hmmm, I was running with a girl from my club at the weekend helping her do her last long before London Marathon this weekend (go Lizzie!!) we did 10 and a bit miles at 8'40 min/miles and were talking happily, HR...66%
THM is spot on!!
Sooooo...
I've been doing a bit of research into porridge...
Seems to score low on GI and II and high on satiety. I've been eating 120g or so a day probably at times when I would've snacked on bread or maybe chocolate.
Is there something better that I could eat, why?
What
Chocolate Eclairs
Why
Taste nicer.
I have porridge too each day, but mainly because there are never any Eclairs about.
You should buy more eclairs!
I reckon that Cadbury's Eclairs mixed in with porridge might actually work, hmmm.
I don't think I could move if I had 120g of porridge. LOL
Honey or golden syrup is the important question 🙂
80g for breakfast emsz and another 40 in the evening or blended in a smoothy.
Ummm, I'm out of golden syrup so I mix it up with...
Peanut Butter & banana
Honey
Dried Fruit and Nuts
Plain
Or on Friday I had it with custard and grated chocolate.
Microwave porridge with a creme egg or two put in for the last 20 seconds
food of champions (on iDay off of course) 🙂
Mini-Creme Eggs!!
I was going to add some galaxy caramel the other night...
I've been doing a bit of research into porridge...Seems to score low on GI and II and high on satiety.
Made with water and a pinch of salt, or with full fat milk and golden syrup? 🙂
Day 1 of iDiet in the miketually household: I had bacon and fried eggs for breakfast and the Mrs had the same but with added mushrooms and tomatoes (and less bacon).
don't forget veg too - spinach, asparagus, broccoli, all work with egg/pig combos
Just found another iDiet-friendly recipe on Stone Soup for a [url= http://thestonesoup.com/blog/2012/04/5-reasons-you-shouldnt-plan-your-meals-in-advance/ ]lentil-based tabbouleh[/url].
Right energy geeks, what do you think of Super-Starch?
[url] http://www.generationucan.com/pdf/technical-breakthrough-sports-innovation.pdf [/url]
Personally I associate Super Starch with some Daz washing powder advert, but maybe it really is 100% awesome! ?
Well. I popped to the gym mid morning.
I hit the bike and the free weights.
First thing I've had to eat today was lunch.
Chicken breast, tuna and a flippin scotch egg.
Will I crash and burn this afternoon ?.
I had 200g of mueseli for breakfast. Probably 700 calories. I try and just have boiled eggs but after a big weekend on the bike (100km mtb) I'm STARVING in the mornings.
[i]but after a big weekend on the bike (100km mtb)[/i]
😯 Blimey, no wonder you're hungry.
Where do you get a 60 mile ride then ?.
Oh, and try to resist the pull of Scotch Eggs.
Its a slippery slope of a one way street.
😐
Did HONC.....have a sportive or endurance mtb event every weekend until the Dragon in mid June. Four of us from Epping Forest are doing Transpyr first week of July, Med to Atlantic by mtb along the Pyrenees. Look at day 3....'kin hell.
http://www.transpyr.com/2012/en/02.html
We've all done big days on the bike but never one after the other like this. HONC was a reminder to start taking things seriously. Want to enjoy as much of it as I can, not be hurting all day every day.
[i]Med to Atlantic by mtb along the Pyrenees. Look at day 3....[b]'kin hell.[/b][/i]
😯
Yeah, I think thats about right, I'd agree with you there.
Still, sounds good, if you can take in a bit of the scenery, etc.
But that trip does look mental to a wuss such as I.
Reminds me of stories I've found about people in north america and some of the [i]races[/i] they hold there.
Like the one running North / South.
Pictrues of people who have competed in those are interesting.
They are sun baked, thin and their clothes are in tatters.
Takes them weeks to complete the course.
IIRC.
There TSY, a race such as that would test you.
[url] http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes/greatdivide.cfm [/url]
Solo - the Great Devide, or Tour Devide video that was on YouTube was really inspiring...
But I'd want to do it as a Tour not a race. Way too much scenery to enjoy etc, rather than suffer through.
[i]But I'd want to do it as a Tour not a race. Way too much scenery to enjoy etc, rather than suffer through[/i]
I couldn't agree more.
Although, stories of people encountering bears during the race, might cause a sudden increase in cadence.
I'm thinking 😉
Regardless to quantity of ingested carbs at any given time.
😯
What training for escaping bears ?.
Oh and btw.
On the diet front.
How many coffees do people drink in a day and when throughout the day, do they tend to drink them ?.
How many coffees do people drink in a day and when throughout the day, do they tend to drink them ?.
2 before 2.
I have about 6 double espressos per day. I sleep well.
**Pops out for the first coffee of the day, a Medium Americano from the local Costa**
I guess about 6 cups of coffee at work, well coffee coloured instant stuff. And 3-4 cups of tea in the evening.
one coffee in the morning, 2 spoonfulls of coffee, 1 sugar, 50%water and 50% skimmed milk.
then gym/spinning = 750ml water
then drive to work = 600ml cookies and cream protein shake
then work = 1.5ltr water with 400ml-ish of no added sugar, not from concentrate healthy living OJ added in, tin of tuna, 4 eggs
then home = dinner or eccles cakes.
nom nom vom.
Black filter or cafetiere stuff only.
1 on the way to gym.
1 straight after with porridge.
1 at about 10/ half past
Sometimes another before I go at lunch.
1 after lunch
1 now.
Occasionally another before I leave work, depending on how tired I am.
So 5 a day, sometimes 7. Although I've been substituting some for green tea... in theory.
Had lots of coffee today...
But then I was on jagarbombs last night 🙁
Phil - is that really what you're eating on a daily basis.
What training for escaping bears ?.
Bear fighting is some of the best training in itself.
No Yeti, it's what he's telling you he's had today.
In reality he's had a tesco meal deal 😆
Just the one?? Wimp.
sometimes yeti, today i added a tin of spaghetti in tomato sauce and a slice of granary bread to my lunchtime eggs. dinner is normally a proper dinner but with certain iDiet principles in mind, sweet potatoes creep into dinners a fair bit to keep mrsconsequence happy.
worry not old bean, once i finish my cookies and cream protein shake i'll move onto a milk chocolate flavour one 😀
Good, good. My one man mission to ruin the protein supplement industry takes a step forward.
I eat for lunch what I had for tea the night before, almost without exception. Sometimes it's something we had so much of that it went in the freezer.
Roast dinners, curries, stir-fry... whatever. Makes life so easy, and colleagues envious.
i've taught myself to like tuna, so instead of snacking on sweet things at certain points of the day i have a tin of tuna and that fills me up nicely/goes towards my protein intake.
i went through a stage of cooking mini-roast meals at work for lunch from scratch. once i get down to my target 9stone i'll start again.
So essentially, Phil is on the Slimfast plan?
Target 9 Stone 😆
Jamie - it'd seem so.. he's gotta look perdy in that dress so I think it's ok in this instance.
A roast...At work?
Don't believe you 😐 Explain please
lol target is to stay my current weight but reduce love handle/belly fat and maintain current muscles.
at my work i have two ovens at my disposal in a fully fitted kitchen, so roasts are one of the simplest things to make, even easier if you chop the veg to the right sizes to they all take the same amount of time to cook 🙂
Ah right, that's cheating. My work had a sink and a microwave. 😆
Honestly I wouldn't have wanted to cook food in it either.
The Southern Yeti - Member
Black filter or cafetiere stuff only.1 on the way to gym.
1 straight after with porridge.
1 at about 10/ half past
Sometimes another before I go at lunch.
1 after lunch
1 now.
Occasionally another before I leave work, depending on how tired I am.So 5 a day, sometimes 7.
'kinell - no wonder you can do so much exercise.
I've got colleagues like that, including one who worked out he spend £80 a week on coffees from the cafe.
[i]Bear fighting is some of the best training in itself. [/i]
How can we tell ?.
I'd have thought that all who fight bear, end up becoming bear poo.
No ?.
[i]one coffee in the morning, 2 spoonfulls of coffee, 1 sugar, 50%water and 50% skimmed milk.
then gym/spinning = 750ml water
then drive to work = 600ml cookies and cream protein shake
then work = 1.5ltr water with 400ml-ish of no added sugar, not from concentrate healthy living OJ added in, tin of tuna, [b]4 eggs[/b][/i] 😯
[i]then home = dinner or eccles cakes.
nom nom vom.
[/i]
Ok, then today:
Up at 5, out to work.
10:45am gym.
Bike for 30 mins.
Deadlifts.
Free weights
Lunch at 1:00pm.
Chicken, Tuna and an Scotch egg.
Coffee on the go now.
Not sure what dinner will be.
Maybe wild alaskan salmon, spinach salad.
But alternatively, could be some of that curry meal BagStard posted recently.
I have discovered that eggs, err, slow thing down for me, [u]considerably[/u].
So I have to cut back on them, cept for Scotch Eggs, of course...
What has life come to, when you are owned by the scotch egg in your fridge.
😕
Free coffee at work, discounted at the gym... I'd cut down in an 'instant' if I had to pay.
Solo - where's the veg??
[i]who worked out he spend £80 a week on coffees from the cafe[/i]
Flippin 😯
[i]I'd cut down in an 'instant' if I had to pay[/i]
😆
I'll get your coat.
Oh, wait, this is your thread.
Doh !.
dont worry solo
i, for one
only had 3 eggs today
with my spaghetti and
cover your ears
bread.
i will visit a friend afterwork
if he's nice enough i'll
drink cups of tea with sugar in them
and milk
soy milk because he's weird
x
[i]Solo - where's the veg?? [/i]
[i]Not sure what dinner will be.
Maybe wild alaskan salmon, [b]spinach salad[/b].
But alternatively, could be some of that curry meal BagStard posted recently[/i]
How much spinach are you going to eat in one sitting though??
Perhaps if you ate some fruit the eggs wouldn't give you such, errrr...
😉
i, for one
only had 3 eggs today
with my spaghetti and
cover your ears
bread.
i will visit a friend afterwork
if he's nice enough i'll
drink cups of tea with sugar in them
and milk
soy milk because he's weird
x
Awesome.
despite the 3 eggs 5 days a week i dont find they cause me any digestive slowing, i think its the protein shake that balances them out, if not that then the 8 eccles cakes a week (2 a day on the weekends, one a day monday-thursday. friday is a sad day)
[i]dont worry solo
i, for one
only had 3 eggs today
with my spaghetti and
cover your ears
bread.
i will visit a friend afterwork
if he's nice enough i'll
drink cups of tea with sugar in them
and milk
soy milk because he's weird
x
[/i]
Phil.
You gotta let that shit go.
Its a new day.
😉
As for your bread and milk.
You only have to decide which you like more.
Fat or happy ?.
😉
I'm fat and happy.
[i]How much spinach are you going to eat in one sitting though??
Perhaps if you ate some fruit the eggs wouldn't give you such, errrr...
[/i]
TSY.
Its a Salad. So its Spinach, peppers, toms, spring onions, peas if I fancy, mushrooms, yadda, yadda.
All with a large portion of omega 3 rich wild fish.
Which I hope will assist the few brain cells I possess.
As of last night, there is no red wine in the flat.
So its all looking like a house point for Solo, today.
😀 the sugar and milk in my morning coffee isn't making or keeping me fat. i'm down to 78kg if i bothered to weight myself naked or before my morning coffee (just under 79kg in gym clothes and trainers, holding my iPod touch and full of coffee)
oh and my muscles are making wimmin orgasm just by knowing i'm in the same postcode as them.
iSexy
[i]I'm fat and happy.[/i]
Yes, may be.
But you're not Manorexic, are you.