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Sounds like we need iDave, Ton. Because your diet seems remarkably 4-2-1 which iDave thinks is old hat.
Also the French Olympic team don't use 4, 2, 1 and haven't done for a long time.Still, keep reading the magazines.
By the way, one of the top ranked UCI world tour teams didn't have much pasta or muesli on show at their training camp - job opp there for you.
You do know that you can't complete an ironman fueled just by carbs don't you? And that taking carbs too close to the start will limit fat burning during?
I didn't answer his questions but will now:
I'm sure I could complete an Ironman just on carbs but it was easier and faster with mainly carbs and a bit of protein and fat. I've completed four with a best of 59th at Embrun which was the hardest at the time in terms of climbing. I thoroughly enjoyed a ham sandwich on the way down the Isoard.
I had a big bowl of müesli an hour before the start as I thought it better to follow my normal eating habits as closely as possible rather than eat at 3:00. I consider myself a lousy swimmer but swam in 1:02 so if my breakfast hampered my fat burning on the swim it didn't show in the time or the way I felt.
edit, and I didn't get the 4-2-1 Frech Olympic diet from a magazine, I have an original copy given to me by the nutritionist at Lindt.
've consistently talked about "endurance athletes" and any STWer wishing to eat heathily because as far as I'm concerned 4-2-1 in a mediterranean context is fine for both.
I thought the mediterranean diet has ~30% calories for fat, which is twice the fat of a 4-2-1 diet?
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I feel hnoured, Phil. That's the first time anyone has gone to the trouble of doing me a personalised pic on the Net. 8)
you should be honored, the wily wonker meme has been bugging me for a while now because its never used in the context of a chocolate factory.
maybe people haven't done personalised pics for you because you're quite trigger happy in posting topless photos of yourself 😛 dont worry, yeti went through that stage, as did molly. if the time-tested pattern holds true in 4 months you'll be telling people all about the iDiet and castigating them for eating bread, either that or eating cheesecake and challenging women to races 😀
There are lots of mediterranean diets, Ian. Most don't fix the proportions of carbs, proteins and fats but you are right to say they're often higher than 15%. If you want a reference then the université de Lyon did a study on high risk heart patients in the mid nineties that got a lot of TV coverage in France (l'Etude de Lyon).
Plenty of fruit, olive oil, cereals and wine (in moderation) are common factors to the various mediterrranean diets. Fish is soemtimes but not always a significant source of protein, snails with miraculous properties are sometimes included.
Edukator - you confuse the term fuel with nutrition. There are energy stores in the body, some glycogen, some fat. You won't be finishing an Ironman without fat being burned as fuel whether you choose to eat fat or not during it. Your impressive ironman performances (and I mean that) will have required significant contribution of fat to the fuel used.
Also there seems to be some confusion about fuel in that somehow we either burn fat or we burn glucose. We do both most of the time. Training in certain nutritional states allow us to manipulate this to our advantage depending on the duration of the event we're training for.
My reference to dunning-kruger relates to your inability to consider that you may be incorrect. I've changed my view on best practice in sports nutrition several times in the 24 years that it's been my job.
A few other points, the iDave diet isn't low carb and high fat. It's low GI carb. My sportive breakfast wasn't high fat and low carb either. It was an omelet with a tin of broad beans in it and a few slices of chorizo. It was certainly low GI, but now low carb.
My main issue with your stance is that I believe that 'generous' quantities of refined carbs are detrimental to health and performance. I'm not against high GI carbs before, during and after 'some' types of training and events. But certainly against them as part of our daily diet.
Finally there is recent evidence that a high GI breakfast inhibits brain function.....
yeti went through that stage
I'm still waiting for someone to ask me to post another...
lazybike - Member
Thanks for that, what sort of stuff are you eating on your days off, is it straight down the chip shop! or just some toast with breakfast, pasta with lunch etc
pizza is my weakness, so i had that yesterday.
I have never used the term "refined carbs". "Generous" quanties of carbs yes: 4-2-1. Where I've refered to bread type speciafically it's been "whole grain" - low GI (though I don't only eat whole grain). Spaghetti is low GI - on a par with many vegetables. Müesli is a mix of grains, nuts and dried fruit, I probably add enough banana to tip it into medium GI but certainly not high GI.
My breakfast is not high Gi by any objective measure, it just includes bread and müesli. Every other day it also includes cheese/Black Forest cured ham/olive oil.
So far today:
Breakfast: tea, wholemeal bread dunked in olive oil, goat's cheese, a banana, cod liver oil.
Mid morning: coffee, 70% chocolate.
Lunch: spaghetti, a slice of ham, a glass of orange juice.
It's nice out, I'm off for a run.
I'm still waiting for someone to ask me to post another...
Like the actual Yeti, you are renowned for your camera shyness.
Like the actual Yeti, you are renowned for your hideous monsterlike features
dont post a photo yeti, come on a ride instead and i can stroke your belly then
breakfast: museli- oatflakes, wheatflakes, mixed nuts & dried fruit plus wholemeal bread with acacia honey.
mid morning: black coffee /no sugar
lunch: mixed rice and beans, broccoli, chicken, olives, tomato with fresh basil and parsley.
I've already been for a run, it was nice outside.
Kev
I'm off for a run.
No you're not.
I was talking to Jo about coming down to your manor Phil...
[i]Dave [s]and Solo[/s] opened my eyes to it, but a very long time reading about the primal plan has concreted my future hopefully.[/i]
Similar for me here.
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And.... I've yet to find good, hard, independant data indicating that bread is [i]good[/i] for me, us, the French.... Anyone.
So I've been thinking about getting into running because road biking can get boring. Are a decent pair of shoes required, any recommendations? How long should I go for a "first run" to avoid getting shin splints or whatever?
Solo - but bread is soooo good. Especially French bread with Presidente butter on it. IS there any real evidence that it's bad for us?
Tom... Get some proper shoes and start slowly... I like Asics personally.
Was gonna put in some diet and exercise chat but got distracted by the just giving link feauring picture of Yeti's bird. So, what about posting some pictures of her diddies for us Yeti and in exchange I'll talk dirty to you about sweat and carbs and all sorts.
Donate some money and I'll think about it...
_tom_ - Member
So I've been thinking about getting into running because road biking can get boring. Are a decent pair of shoes required, any recommendations? How long should I go for a "first run" to avoid getting shin splints or whatever?
google 'couch to 5k' for some advice. If you like running go to a proper shop and get fitted for some trainers which suit your gait.
Tom,
all good advice, try on lots of trainers and choose the ones that are comfy for you, (don't worry about barefoot or whatever) start slow and short runs and build up slowly.
Tom,
Get the trainers that look the fastest, red usually, and then just hammer out a 15mile run. If you can still walk the next day, then you have cracked it.
...however, if you feel a lot of pain, then you probably have also cracked it.*
*in a stress fracture stylee.
TSY.
Milk aside 😉 ...
Bread contains phytate.
Studies into its effect in nutrient absorption seem to indicate that phytate hinders nutrient absorption.
[i]The results strongly suggest that the inhibitory effect of
bran on iron absorption is due to its content of phytate
and other inositol phosphates present after fermenta
tion, rather than to its content of fiber or other constitu
ents. Thus, effective fermentation will increase the bioavailability
of iron in whole-meal bread. J. Nutr. 122:
442-449, 1992.[/i]
Bread also contains lectins.
Lectins are found in a lot of foods, but appear to be more concentrated in bread.
So, if you care, which you don't as you are relying on a real time demonstration of the nietzsche approach to eating.
Go research what lectins do to us.
And as for gluten, well.
Theres loads on that, about the inturdnet.
If you're interested.
All I've go to say is thank goodness for the mediterainian diet, eh ?.
Goodness only knows how we, as a race, survived without it.
For the preceeding 2.5 million years.....
You know, before the French olympic team landed on planet earth.
It's okay Solo... I donate blood the other day and they said my iron levels were Awesome 🙂
Tell me about lectin and gluten 🙂
Thanks for the running advice, especially you Jamie 🙂 I think I'll give the couch to 5k thing a go. Can I still road bike on "off days" or will that not give me enough recovery?
[i]Tell me about lectin and gluten[/i]
snore 🙄
It's just food...trying to make food into stuff that's bad and stuff that's good is a waste of time I think.
/serious mode
Don't worry to much at the start about what shoes your wearing. Start slow. Don't be afraid to walk. If you can, run off road on fields, bridleways etc, as its a) more enjoyable and b) easier on your joints....well assuming you don't snap your ankle in a rabbit hole 😉
Loads of flat bridleways about 5 minutes away so off road should be do-able and probably more interesting than biking on them.
Loads of flat bridleways about 5 minutes away so off road should be do-able and probably more interesting than biking on them.
You're in the same boat as me, if I remember right. Soon you will have sold the MTB and just run and take the road bike out when it's sunny 8)
TSY.
You don't need me to tell you anything.
You eat what you like, you move about at a ridiculous intensity and maintain a very lean physique, which appears to please you.
But as you are, you can't attribute your BF percentage to anything as you claim not to know what you're doing.
Well, besides when you claim that you've read x,y,z somewhere.....
Just carry on.
I just can't be doing with twits who promote eating stuff which is so obviously not that [i]good[/i] for us.
Its almost wreckless.
Theres nothing [i]good[/i] that you get from bread.
That you can't get more of, from others sources.
Don't get me wrong.
I like the taste of bread.
But that doesn't make it a good thing.
I tend to try to make the distinction now, between what foods the body appears to tolerate, and what it will actualy thank you for eating.
That may seem like a subtle difference, but one I feel is worth making note of.
in my humble opinion.
You're in the same boat as me, if I remember right. Soon you will have sold the MTB and just run and take the road bike out when it's sunny
Yeah I'm in Northamptonshire, no exciting off road here. I save the mtb for days off where I take it down to Woburn to ride if I can be arsed to drive. Road bike gets used every day at the minute.
Solo - would you consider that home-made bread, or indeed perhaps less common/artisan ones, to be in the same category as the mass-produced ones?
I enjoy learning about science. Should I stop doing it? I am just terribly curious about how it all works.
Educator I slagged you off because you acted like a complete tit, rubbishing someone else's considerable experience based on your own much lesser experience. Even if you don't believe him the grown up thing to do is just say that you are sceptical and leave it there. Or better still, try and learn what you can from a different point of view. You don't appear to be very good at learning since you think the icier is high in meat and bad for your guts, when it's been said a thousand times that it's high in veg and legumes and as such is great for your guts.
And you also ignore those folk who follow your diet and aren't at a racing weight.
In other news, 23m09 for 5k last night, disappointed as I felt good at first but my knees ended up hurting still 🙁
[i]Solo - would you consider that home-made bread, or indeed perhaps less common/artisan ones, to be in the same category as the mass-produced ones? [/i]
I was just out the door, but as its you.
🙂
I've just risen to the bait spouted by types who promote bread as essential in a [i]healthy[/i] diet.
Whatever one of those is.
Furthermore, personal experience has convinced me that all I get from eating bread regularly, is heavier.
But, I'm obviously aware that there are those for whom eating bread appears not to have any obvioulsy detrimental effect.
If you are one of those people, then carry on enjoying your bread, for the taste of bread.
If you enjoy baking it, even better as at least you're having some positive [i]me[/i] time in the kitchen, and you get to control exactly what goes into your home baked loaf.
So, is home baked bread any better for you ?, well that depends on your point of view.
But on the basis of supporting a nutrient rich diet.
I'd say its not needed.
just eaten a proper 'illness in later life' meal...
beef burgandy, off the primal plan recipe list, with cauliflower rice, sugar snaps and green beans.
i now feel terrible........ 😀
I had lovely fresh green beans, petit pois and roast chicken. My poor bowels!
Thank you Solo although you need to try harder to convince me not to. 😉 I consider it a staple of my diet although eaten in a very small quantity and it has to be Warburton's!
I am however very much aware that bread ain't what it used to be and such huge quantities I ate as a child. Production methods change as does the grain itself and my stomach doesn't really thank me for it either. 🙁
So it's being reduced to alternate days but, really, you don't surely think I would make my own bread? 😯 Did I mention I have bikes to ride. 😆
Seriously, always enjoy your input so thanks. 8)
On Friday last week i started iDave diet 0.5 as a little experiment. I'm not fat, and have never been - my BMI is bang in the middle of 'normal' (i'm 6'1"). Until recently i was able to eat whatever i liked and it didn't appear on my body anywhere. But i've noticed over the last couple of years that if i eat too much crap without enough exercise it starts to show. So, i figure it is time to alter what i eat.
As lots of people have commented - much to iDave's frustration - breakfast is perhaps the meal it is hardest to change. It is purely phycological, of course, borne out of habit. But when i was an undergrad i'd eat all kind of non-breakfasty breakfasts (cake and jelly was a particular highlight). Anyway, like Edukator i'm a big fan of muesli for breakfast and it is quick to make, so i decided to keep that in the diet but replace other meals with low insulinemic stuff (hence iDD 0.5). I figured it would be alright as i'm only looking to control my weight, not lose it.
Last friday morning i weighed myself on some of those scales which send an electrical pulse through your body and then it guesses your body fat, muscle mass, hydration level and bone mass. My vitals were:
Weight - 75.5kg
BF% - 18.9
Seven days later:
Weight - 73.2 (2.3kg)
BF% - 17.5 (-1.4)
In terms of exercise i did an hour on my turbo trainer (Sufferfest, The Hunted), and some light weights. Not bad i reckon.
C'mon Solo I want to learn... what one text should I read on Paleo? and Why?
I just read an article on overtraining whilst waiting for my breakfast baguette... it would seem I don't exhibit any of the symptoms apart from volume.
2.3kg is a lot to loose in 7 days and not that healthy a thing to do.
I looked at idiet and decided it wasnt for me as I am not a pro athlete and I like my food, plus I simply do not have the time to cook what is needed.
Odly I am currently loosing weight without dieting or using a diet of any sort and still get to eat lots of yummy stuff. Oh and I feel great too.
I think if I was a pro athlete I would take a more scientific approach, but I am not, and want to enjoy life, so for now will continue to eat what I like (in moderation) and exercise.
Thats not to say some of the stuff above isn't interesting, but because I'm not a pro athlete thers more to life for me.
I think taking two one off measurements is not the best way to monitor your weight. When I was keeping a close eye on my weight (to make a weight class) I would weigh myself every day keeping as many factors as possible constant. For example, I would weigh myself as soon as I got up after having a pee and I would not be wearing clothes.
My weight would still vary from day to day by about 0.5kg but over the course of a week you could see if it was trending down or up and figure out what your 'average weight' was.
Even taking out as many variables as possible one off measurements aren't accurate IMO although it does sound like you lost a fair bit of weight.
My weight would still vary from day to day by about 0.5kg but over the course of a week you could see if it was trending down or up and figure out what your 'average weight' was.
Agreed. I dropped 2.6lb in 5 mins this morning.
I also tried it for 2 weeks, ending last Friday.
Stuck to it religiously, eggs for breakfast and an off day etc, and after the 2 weeks were up I hadn't really lost any weight.
I believe the reason why, is that I did too much exercise, and rather than 'target' carbs around that exercising, I just ate more meat/nuts etc.
Exercise was:
Week 1 - 205m on the Bike/2hrs Badminton/10m Run
Week 2 - 35m running/10m walk/60m Riding
It also seemed, that despite the volumes I ate, I felt..erm...hollow?...and getting going in the morning was a bit tough. Again, I believe this was not fuelling around the exercise properly...i.e no cheesecake...and also the body needing a period of adaption to switch fuels, before lobbing a shedload of exercise at it.
I think for weight loss, I need to lose about a stone, I might try again, but reduce the exercise right down to a couple of 10k runs in the week, and see if I fare better over a fortnight. Failing that, keep the breakfast like CaptJon and see what happens.
One thing I should note, apart from occasional weekend splurges, I never really ate much rice, spuds, pasta beforehand. So maybe that was a factor.
So there we go, I tried it. Didn't start losing 4-5lb a week, but then there was probably reasons for that. After reading [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Get-Fat-about/dp/0307949435/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334219390&sr=8-1 ]Why We Get Fat by Taubes[/url] and watching the Fathead doc, I can see the science makes sense. Just a matter of applying it correctly.
and then it guesses
...and those guesses are about as accurate as me guessing 😉
Jamie - try carb depleted exercise.
BruceWee - Member
I think taking two one off measurements is not the best way to monitor your weight. When I was keeping a close eye on my weight (to make a weight class) I would weigh myself every day keeping as many factors as possible constant. For example, I would weigh myself as soon as I got up after having a pee and I would not be wearing clothes.
That's what i did. Although i kept my boxers on. Did you you know a whiteboard pen works on bathroom tiles? A great way to track progress.
FunkyDunc - Member
2.3kg is a lot to loose in 7 days and not that healthy a thing to do.
I was a little shocked, but it is consistent with other iDieters. I'd be interested to read the science behind the 'not that healthy a thing to do' assertion.
I feel great, and my sleep has been amazing.
Jamie - try carb depleted exercise.
I was for 2 weeks.
....and my sleep has been amazing.
I had poor sleep. Again, probably due to under fuelling. Despite eating a cows worth of meat.
If you were carb depleted how was anything like the iDiet?
I had an iDea last night... an experiment if you wish.
iDave and I are riding a 90 mile sportive together on Sunday... neither of us particularly doing it for the scenery.
iDave is no doubt going to stick to his diet... does anyone want to provide me with a nutritional plan for Saturday and Sunday to see how it gets on against the iDiet??
Jamie, I mean riding, running, whatever first thing in the morning when your stomach is growling at you.
What, so we compare poo or something before the ride?
The Southern Yeti - MemberiDave is no doubt going to stick to his diet... does anyone want to provide me with a nutritional plan for Saturday and Sunday to see how it gets on against the iDiet??
Muesli, bread, cheesecake and coke to drink... maybe mars milk shake too.
Jamie - MemberI had poor sleep. Again, probably due to under fuelling. Despite eating a cows worth of meat.
Sounds like you need the iDD 0.5, it is the new thing sweeping the dieting world.
I was thinking more of seeing if I feel / notice a difference, but we can get all [s]Dr[/s] Gillian McKieth if you want? Plus I fancy handing over responsibility for my meal planning to someone else for a couple of days.
Me! Me! Me!
Saturday is carb loading day, so 500g of sawdust. An underrated, but awesome source of carbs and fibre.
Sunday is time to get those fats and proteins up, so treat yourself to as many fat-balls and meal worms from the bird table that are needed to sate the appetite. Grass is also allowed on both days - never skip in the greens!, but won't really have much effect on short term performance so don't beat yourself up too much if you don't get enough of it. Astroturf isn't an acceptable substitute though.
I have been following iDave for about two weeks.
Like Jamie, prior to starting iDave, I ate very little pasta, potato, rice or bread.
I have also increased the amount of exercise I do in the last few weeks. I have also been doing "fasting" based exercise, i.e. 2hr + early morning rides on an empty stomach and without taking on any carbs during the ride. These have been easier than I thought.
However, like Jamie, I have lost very little "weight", i.e. approx only 2lbs.
On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better.
I have also been reading Diet Delusion and am quite shocked by the lack of hard evidence in support of a low fat/carb based diet.
I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.
Regarding the Mediterranean diet. I lived in Southern France for 2 years about 10 years ago. I ate exactly what the locals ate, exercised more than them and put on weight and returned home to England less healthy than I went, thanks to catching Toxaplasmosis, which is pretty common in France due to all the undercooked meat they eat. (And apparently explains why they drive like idiots, but thats another story).
So clearly the Meditteranean didnt work for me. I'm sure a lot of it must be due to genetics.
Being descended from Northern Europe people (i.e. a cold climate) my body is probably adapated to storing fat to survive, whilst those of Mediterranean descent are obviously better adapated to the climate and foods in that region and dont need to store so much fat.
Despite the lack of weight loss, I feel so much better for cutting out the minimal amount of processed carbs I was eating and all the lean meat, fish and pulses that I am now eating.
I havent a clue whether its 4-2-1 or 4-3-3 or whatever. But I feel much healthier for not eating pasta, potato, rice or bread. So am going to continue that way.
Ian - my mates got a load of fish food boilies that are rotting in the back of his van??
Edit: They're crab, cranberry and skunk flavoured if it makes a difference.
They'd be perfect too!
In fact why not take them and a bait catapult on the sportive and spread the health eating message to your fellow cyclists!?
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
As long as you don't butter your soldiers.
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
As long as you don't butter your soldiers.
*Packs up bat and ball and heads for home
Jamie, you're not meant to eat tons of meat. You're meant to eat lots of veg and beans. And go easy on the nuts - I snacked on nuts a lot at first and it wiped out any fat loss. Limit yourself to about 50g a day or something.
It will probably work, you just need to find out how to make it work for you.
I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems. However if do well at breakfast then I can cheat a bit later in the day and it doesn't have much of an effect.
Mol - I do love it when you give out iDiet advice 🙂
Was the run you did continuous?
Wtf you talking about yeti?
In other news, 23m09 for 5k last night, disappointed as I felt good at first but my knees ended up hurting still
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Have you been doing any single leg bodyweight exercises?
Calm down Grips.
Remember, this is TSY's wind-up thread.
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[i]I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems[/i]
Aye, theres something in that.
You've sleep through the night and your body is running mostly on reserves, fat.
It will continue to do this, until you eat.
Eat something sugary and the insulin response will lock-out access to fat for fuel and you will use the sugar you've eaten, with excess going off to be stored as fat....
Eat something low GI, then there will be a minimal insulin response and your body will continue to run mostly on fat and the food you've eaten.
You will feel full for longer into the morning, probably get you to lunch time.
Solo - what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?
[i]I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes[/i]
Oh please..If you're going down the food is just fuel thing, then you've just become weird. I make all sorts of food, and if I want rice or pasta or bread or ice cream or chocolate tart or ANYTHING, then I eat it.
emsz - sometimes you eat nothing at all though? Is that right?
Yep, but that's because if I'm not hungry I won't eat, haven't had anything so far today, not really hungry still.
(have just got up though 😳 )
But haven't you mentioned in the past that sometimes you restrict calories/eating on purpose? I was under the impression that you're border line eating disorder, or certainly disordered eating?
In which case, I'd encourage you to ignore every single bit of writing by us chunksters and get on with eating.
it's good to go hungry sometimes, going hungry feeds the soul 😉
I don't know how many times I can read the same people saying the same things over and over and over and over.....
....but I'll let you know when I find out.
Here goes !.
[i]I looked at idiet and decided it wasnt for me [b]as I am not a pro athlete[/b] and I like my food, plus I simply do not have the time to cook what is needed.
[/i]
iDiet was not aimed at Pro / Elite Athletes.
iDave handed out his advise to help portly, desk bound, Engineers like me and IT Bods ( ie. Stereotypical STW forumites ) to trim down.
[b]This is an important point to bare in mind[/b]
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[i]Odly I am currently loosing weight without dieting or using a diet of any sort and still get to eat lots of yummy stuff. Oh and I feel great too.[/i]
Whatever you are eating [b]is[/b] your diet.
[i]I think if I was a pro athlete I would take a more scientific approach, but I am not, and want to enjoy life, so for now will continue to eat what I like (in moderation) and exercise[/i]
[u]iDave diet is not specifically designed for Pro Ahtletes[/u]
😉
[i]Thats not to say some of the stuff above isn't interesting, but because I'm not a pro athlete thers more to life for me. [/i]
I'm not sure Pro Ahtletes are miserable or missing out on life.
But then again, they've probably hired a good Coach and are exercising and eating according to a modern, well informed, specifically tailored plan, designed for them...Not the iDiet
😉
[i]I also tried it for 2 weeks, ending last Friday.[/i]
[i]Stuck to it religiously[/i]
Accept... that its suggested you give it 3 weeks.
🙂
[i]Jamie - try carb depleted exercise.[/i]
Is that possible ??.
[i]What, so we compare poo or something before the ride?[/i]
😆
[i]On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better[/i]
[i]I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.[/i]
Me too !.
😀
[i]Solo - what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?[/i]
My reading has indicated that low to moderate intensity exercise will be fuelled by your reserves, mostly body fat.
What do you think TSY ?
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It's great ain't it... I start these threads to talk the same rubbish with the same people.
Although I am searching for a new star... sort of an X-Factor of STW... Solo's come along way. Fingers crossed he's drafted out a huge poem.
Some people have definitely got potential...
Yeti,
Yeah OK, a bit I suppose, and I'm concious of how much I eat, but I wouldn't not have something in my diet becuase it has "no nutritional value" I want to eat nice things, and I make nice bread! LOL.
Eating toast now and huge mug of tea...yummmy
So Molgrips calls me a tit in addition to prick and pillock while adding nothing as usual. Solo attempts sarcasm in an attempt to belittle. iDave accuses me of being incapable of changing my mind whilst refusing to consider changing his.
Gluten then:
Symptoms of a Gluten Allergy
Upper repository tract problems (sustains, glue ear)
Fatigue
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Mouth ulcers
Anaemia
Iron-deficiency anaemia
Osteoporosis
Weight loss
Short stature in children
Diarrhoea
Constipation
Abdominal bloating
Crohn’s disease
Diverticulitis
Depression
Attention and behavioral problems (in children and adults)
Autism
Skin problems
Keratosis pilaris
Asthma
Irritability
Wheat-Dependent Exercise-Induced Anaphylaxis
Well I have none of those but can tick two on the list for pulses (which doesn't stop me eating them from time to time). Most people don't have gluten alergy , or diabetes or a nut alegy or... .
See, thanks Solo.
My thoughts are that as long as the intensity of the exercise is high it gets you leaner... you can push for 80+% of your max HR and you'll lose weight if you ride hungry in the morning.
What about my question regarding the definitive Paleo text?
Emsz - I love bread too... could you serve me up some hot buns one day?
Well, this is all very predictable.
Anyway:
Sorry, I meant I have tried carb depletion exercise in the past for 2 weeks, as opposed to the 2 weeks last week. If you get my drift. Was on iPhone earlier, and think I managed to delete half a sentence .
Oddly enough I can't find out what the specifics of the iDave Diet are by searching the forum. All I can find are many many threads with people arguing about it.
Can someone point me in the right direction or, to save me reading it, tell me if there is any difference between that and the type of weight loss program described in 'Racing Weight Quick Start Guide' by Matt Fitzgerald?