[Closed] Training and diet talk...

Train beyond the zone you want to be comfortable in IMO.

Train beyond the zone you want to be comfortable in IMO.

So what you are essentially saying, is go through the danger zone? Possibly taking some sort of road there?

HIT IT!

Jamie...

Jamie lightning fingers, cheap shot taker extraordinaire!

Something sad and pathetic about a poster who has a go at just about everyone in an attempt to impress thier peers. A poster who is armed to the back teeth with preprepared pictures and animations or even small clips, all sorts of stupid shit really, waiting for a chance to spring into action

Why the over whelming urge to prove yourself at every chance you get lightning fingers

😐

Besides, I always look to Rod Kimble for training inspiration...

Jamie lightning fingers, cheap shot taker extraordinaire!
Something sad and pathetic about a poster who has a go at just about everyone in an attempt to impress thier peers. A poster who is armed to the back teeth with preprepared pictures and animations or even small clips, all sorts of stupid shit really, waiting for a chance to spring into action
Why the over whelming urge to prove yourself at every chance you get lightning fingers

I'm getting that shit framed.

This thread is all over the place, but it has just reminded me that I need to get my racing licence sorted out.

Then to get some races on the calendar before every weekend is filled with family stuff and U7 football competitions 👿

Something sad and pathetic about a poster who has a go at just about everyone in an attempt to impress thier peers.

This thread is all over the place

I'm getting that tattooed down my forearm.

Jamie - I dream of being as fast as you.

I was impressed by the Hot Rod clip 😆

TSY/Tricky: The Bath Races were mental quick last year, even in the 3rd/4th Cat races. I went down to watch a few (with half a thought of racing!) but when I saw the pace I dropped all thoughts of entering!

neville - I'm going to give it a go. I can ride without a pack for an hour at over 20mph... here's hoping it's enough.

*insert amusing picture/comment here* 😥

[b]Day 4[/b]
Breakfast: soft boiled egg, ham, chorizo
Dinner: left-over home-made meat loaf with remaining salad bag, bean salad pot and chorizo
Tea: chicken breasts smother in thai red curry paste and wrapped in bacon,with cumin-spiced cauliflower and butter bean mash, green beans and peas

And pints and pints and pints of water.

Cheat day tomorrow, so got some sourdough proving ready for fresh bread in the morning 🙂

Warm lentil and cherry tomato salad

gently fry some celery onion, garlic, carrot and bay leaves and a couple of rosemary sprigs in oil for 15-20 mins, pour in a small glass of white wine, and 300g of well rinsed puy lentils, and either 600ml of chicken or veg stock, bring to the boil, and then simmer for 25 mins. add 400g of havled cherry tomatoes in for the last 15mins

season, and add fresh parsley and a little balsamic.

Yummy.

Sounds good emsz, I'll give that one a try.

Happily enough I a having a pignut day today though so its lasagne tonight after a ride this afternoon

[b]Day 5 - Cheat Day[/b]
Breakfast: milk with my coffee, four slices of toast with jam, four slices malt loaf.
Snack: two slices of fresh, warm home-made sourdough bread.
Snack: 50g milk chocolate
Snack: half a Twirl
Dinner: banana sandwich and a mug of tea.
Snack: a handful of raisins
Tea: home-made proper chips with a chicken kiev and some salad, followed by home-made sticky toffee pudding with custard. A [i]lot[/i] of home-made sticky toffee pudding with custard; there was an 8" diameter circle of sticky toffee pudding when we started and there was none left when we finished.
Beer: Brew Dog Punk IPA, Samuel Adams Boston Ale, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

Burp. Went to bed half a stone heavier than when I woke up.

PSA - aldi have Romneys Kendal Mint Cake on offer at the moment. Stocked up for the year yesterday to the surprise of the lady on checkout!!

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Good work Mike!

In contrast to yesterday:

[b]Day 6[/b]
Breakfast: bacon omelette (small pack of streaky bacon lardons plus two (very*) large eggs).
Dinner: beef/beans chilli with scooped out flesh of a large jacket sweet potato.
Tea: plate full of salad leaves scattered with assorted cooked meats, a hard boiled egg and some pickled cherry peppers and chargrilled aubergine.

Lots of water and black tea/coffee during the day and about to have a glass of red.

*one of our hens must be walking bow-legged

You are supposed to have a few cheat meals a week, not a cheat day.

You are supposed to have a few cheat meals a week, not a cheat day.

skywalker - Member
You are supposed to have a few cheat meals a week, not a cheat day.

idiet fail

How about having a few cheat meals a day??

This morning I've done a gym based triathlon.

1.1k in the pool.
45 min spin class.
2.5k run - forgot my socks and decided blisters weren't worth it.

Didn't have a ciggy in the car either.

Is that all TSY? You are getting lazy! 😛

It's okay, I'm booked into yoga at lunch and will go for a slow run tonight.

Need to burn off about 12 cup cakes and several plates of buffet delectables that I ate over the weekend 🙂

Holy cow are you lot still going?

Question is should I be upping the HR to 85-90% when I'm doing these or should I stick to the zone I'm going to be climbing the big mountains at in the summer?

Don't use the HRM to stick to the guideline numbers, they can be way way out. The zone in which you should do long climbs depends on a whole load of factors, your heart just [i]responds[/i] to those factors, it doesn't dictate them. So if you want to know what your max sustainable HR is do a long climb and then see what readings you get.

To be honest, on really long climbs you should automatically tend to your max sustainable anyway by definition, so you don't really need a HRM for that. The HRM is useful if you want to train at that zone without actually having to do a really long climb.

So do a few long ones, see what the HR settles down to, and then that's the target you want to ride either over or under depending on your training goals. To increase that pace, I think maybe you want to work on aerobic power, perhaps with intervals - but not sure, do some googling.

How's the training going anyway Molly?

Not seen to much endomondo action recently...

Not very well. Last week was a washout apart from playing football on Thursday night - took four days to recover from that.

Not even a sneaky tabata session?? tut tut.

Did you go full psyhco mental for the footy game?

I did 15 on saturday and 12 on Sunday ( was supposed to be 5 but it was nice so I kept going. ) shattered Sunday night ( and a bit headed now, I need to eat ) lol

Going to have tonight off and eat cake 🙂

I can feel a cold coming on. Should I skip training tonight? or should I go training tonight and skip my 40 mile round commute into work tomorrow?

I was deprived of sleep for much of the week, not so good. I did go mental for the footie, yes. Quite a large and fast pitch, and we only had 5 vs their 6. And their most dangerous striker was partial to goal hanging. End result - loads of sprinting back from the opposition area to cover long balls.

Right.

It's about time we set some ground rules for talking about training.

1) A measurement of distance is useless without a measurement of time.
2) A measurement of time is useless without a measurement of distance.
3) Train more than you're prepared to discuss.

That is all.

Surely it also needs to be put into context though - i could do say 6 intervals of 3mins of sprinting but the 3mins of recovery spinning in between would bring the total speed right down?

All the hilly slow miles i did in Majorca have meant i've lost speed and power in my legs...couldn't hold onto the chaingang when it went above 35kph on Saturday 😥 😡

4) Intervals are like weights and should be discussed in a similar way.
5) If you're rest intervals are bringing down your average too much then MTFU.

How was the training camp... what was the standard of the other riders. The pic I saw suggested that you and Mustard may have been a little more 'pro' than the others?

😳 15 was 2 and a bit hours ( wasn't timing it) 12 was 1:32

Ok?

Welcome back into the circle emsz.

Is there any specific advice on rest/recovery. Just got back from a cycling holiday. Not a training camp as such cos they are hella expensive. did 450miles. Got short changed by snow; should have done 500 miles. Didn't ride the day of the flight. Rode Saturday, didn't ride Sunday. I have the beginnings of a cold coming on and wondered what people advise regarding training and recovery?

on rest/recovery

Post reported for swear filter avoidance!

Come to think of it whilst I didn't ride on Friday I did go Boxing when I got in from the airport. So that is 8 out of 9 days being active. I had to clean my cycling kit, prepare meals/go shopping and sort some stuff out on Sunday. I have some other stuff to sort out this week but I am considering training again tonight. I should also point out that I have drunk 9 out of 9 days as well. I am wondering if I should rest or not. Other than the beginnings of a cold I do feel fine. Legs ok as Saturday was a casual ride not a hard ride. I would like some genuine recommendations as my job is sedentary so feel that 1 hours training tonight will not massively impact on an effective rest period. Though I would like some comments.

Legs ok as Saturday was a casual ride not a hard ride

That is rest and recovery then. If the cold is above the neck... keep on going.

My body lets me know when it wants a rest... it doesn't sound like your body is telling you it does.

That is essentially what I wanted to see/hear. I was just wanting your strong reassuring (imaginary(to me anyway)) voice to say it to me.

*swoon

Are we allowed to talk bike skills on this thread? Last night the race squad got some coaching, and we learned how to react if we got elbow/shoulder barged and rode with bars touching. Was lots of fun! 😀

Before the skills stuff, i did 1 hour of weights, just to keep the thread training related!

Yes, but you have to explain the 'how' bit in 'how to react'...

My guess is lean into them.

I've just done a slow 10k run (48mins keeping HR low) and 900m in the pool in just over 20min.

Bring on the weights and a new compound exercise called the death crawl... it looks gimmicky but like it'll be hard.

I certainly couldn't do a 48min 10K and keep my heart rate low!
I tried some <70% WHR running of the weekend. Averaged 12:30 a mile 😯
Granted it's off-road, but it was still 3 minutes a mile slower than normal for the route. Pretty joyless too. Every slight incline and the heart rate monitor demanded a shuffle or a walk.

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I wasn't keeping it that low Ian, probably more like 75%. Got a bit excited for the last 3k and stepped up the pace to about 4:30min/Km.

the death crawl

I was doing that at about 4am Sunday morning. I went and did my Boxing training last night. Cleared my head right out; but then woke up this morning feeling worse.

So you feel better after training and worse after recovery?

I think you know what to do...

Yes, but you have to explain the 'how' bit in 'how to react'...

but then woke up this morning feeling worse.

Rubbish dirty... above the neck you can train, below the neck, abstain.

Picking up a bottle from the ground defeated me though!

Crikey! Maybe my comapct frame would come in handy!

IME it makes the cold last longer and is silly.

My PT was training a client last night in KBs, she was doing a one handed KB swing and stepping sideways into a squat. Any idea what its called?

Edit, the closest i got was about 5cms away from reaching the bottle. Didn't enjoy that as much as the contact drills though.

we learned how to react if we got elbow/shoulder barged

Now maybe I'm not an experienced roadie, but I reckon if someone elbowed me they'd get a good solid shove back. Or a smack in the face.

You could always spray them in the face with a bottle. Or if you are skilled you could reach over and pull their brake cable on the top tube.

Or a smack in the face.

Here comes the internet tough man 😉

Your road racing career would be pretty short live I reckon Molly.

What path is the KB swung along Dirty? I can't quite envisage what your describing...

Lol Mol 😆 You'd take the bunch down if you shoved them back which isn't the idea! Was pretty scary and cool in equal measures riding with bars touching and leaning on each other, going to practise that one a lot.

1:15

Take a lesson from this kid.

One thing I can't stand is stupid argy bargy. Get on and ride your bloody bike ffs, stop trying to throw your weight around 🙁

Puts me right off road racing if people are going to tw*t about like that.

Maybe there's an advantage to being 50% heavier than most of the rest of the pack after all.

Maybe there's an advantage to being 50% heavier than most of the rest of the pack after all.

That you get to stay with the pack for 90% less time??

I'll elbow your scrawny arse into the bushes no bother.

I love argy bargy though Mol.... I'd be in my element... teeth an' elbows!!!

Actually, I think the only time you'd see me would be for a kamikaze t-bone take out on a corner, probably only the first corner.

[i]One thing I can't stand is stupid argy bargy.[/i]

Me too, put me off football for this reason.
No need for it.
Just
[i]Get on and ride your bloody bike[/i]
imo.

[i]Puts me right off road racing if people are going to tw*t about like that[/i]
I have a friend who use to ride in the national team scene.
Contact in the peleton is de rigueur, it would seem.
But subtly different from causing a crash.

Apparently, in them olden days, when gear levers were on down tubes.
It was practised by some to change your gear for you....

I think the swings/squats were done as a one arm swing, then taking a step out to the right/left to go into a sumo squat as the KB came down, and then as it came up again, moving legs into usual position for KB swing. But i didn't want to watch to closely and i'm not getting any more PT sessions til the off season so i was going to read up on it, but need to know what its called before i can find it!

There's a lot of people out there with poor bike handling skills in a bunch so it pays to know how to react if you get bumped into or similar - otherwise you'd be down. Suspect if i was in an argy bargy bunch i'd be in the bushes though as it was ok when it was a girl of similar height/weight to me, but with a bigger bloke who is stronger... I nearly went down on Saturdays chaingang when the bloke in front of me stopped without warning, i clipped his wheel big time, thankfully i managed to swing off to the side and unclip rather than coming off. Nearly set a new max hr though! 😯

[i]I nearly went down on Saturdays chaingang when the bloke in front of me stopped without warning, i clipped his wheel big time, thankfully i managed to swing off to the side and unclip rather than coming off. Nearly set a new max hr though[/i]

Then hes a **** !.

no braking in the pack please.
If you need to slow, just reach out and lean on the chap in front.
No one wants to bring the whole pack down.

So you feel better after training and worse after recovery?

I think you know what to do...

I need to go shopping with my grandma tonight though.

What a nice boy I am

above the neck you can train, below the neck, abstain.

I have been told this by a ENT doctor.

[b]Day 7[/b]
Ham, eggs and salami
Tub of salad leaves, chorizo, celery, etc with balsamic
Leftover chilli and sweet potato

One week in, my weight's pretty much where it always is but I look leaner and feel good, but I didn't have any weight to lose. The wife lost about 6 pounds. We've been eating pretty much the same.

I ended up making a load of these last night...

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Energy bars made of lentils... gotta love that. The bit I tried was pretty damn tasty too.

are those lentils dry/raw? they look it.

They look wrong though

[i]but I didn't have any weight to lose[/i]

Which is why although I have seen your posts, a diary of what you're iEating.
I failed to understand what your goal was ?, until.
[i]I look leaner and feel good[/i]

[i]They look wrong though [/i]

Not to the paranoid exercise addict and general allround exercise mental person.
They don't.

The one's lying around are... you cook them a bit before adding them to the mix though.

Lentils
Rolled oats
chopped nuts
dried fruit
almond flower
peanut butter
honey
chocolate chips
seeds (I forgot to add these to mine)
cocoa powder

Who're you calling paranoid Solo 😆

[i]Who're you calling paranoid Solo[/i]

Sorry TSY, but you couldn't stop if you wanted to.
I don't want to, but I worry you are / going to, hurt yourself.

But never mind, carry on.

Lentils
Rolled oats
chopped nuts
dried fruit
almond flower
peanut butter
honey
chocolate chips
seeds (I forgot to add these to mine)
cocoa powder

mixed together and shaped in a manner which they will almost certainly look like upon there exit.

Sorry TSY, but you couldn't stop if you wanted to.

hmmmm... I don't think you know me that well.

Out of curiosity TSY how well will those energy bars fair in the back pocket of your jersey?

That's an interesting point alex.

I made them initially for eating at work and as a snack, but... I reckon that wrapped in clingfilm, or inside a press-seal sarnie bag they'll be fine. Not really sure what the consistancy will be like on this first batch.

[i]hmmmm... I don't think you know me that well. [/i]

Well, whos loss is that ?.
😉

Well, whos loss is that ?

Clearly yours Solo. TSY can make food what looks like poo and tastes like chocolate and honey. That is a skill that should only lead to accolades of the highest order.

[i]I am aware that I have used the word what incorrectly in that sentence and ting.[/i]

Which is why although I have seen your posts, a diary of what you're iEating.
I failed to understand what your goal was ?, until.
[i]I look leaner and feel good[/i]

I can eat pretty much what I want and not get above 11 1/2 stone, despite pretty much doing no exercise apart from a 5 mile a day bike commute and being vaguely active. But, being iDiet 'aware' in food choices got me down to a smidge over 11 stone.

I do long rides with minimal training, so being lighter helps. It's easier to lower weight than to increase power 🙂

I'm also asthmatic and allergic to various stuff, so cutting out/down dairy and wheat has always been something I've been thinking about doing and this gave me a structure to doing that. Too early yet to see whether this is having an effect though.

[i]TSY can make food what looks like poo and tastes like chocolate and honey.[/i]
😆