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Jackthedog - but your missing the point.
By the time you have had the debates about how to make the world a better place through social reform, your friends on the streets will have realised they can get away with anything.
They need to be controlled asap, then do the nicey nicey bit.
Its ok to damage/nick property from large organisations but not small independants? Perhaps brakes is aspiring to the same level of intelligence as our friends on the streets...
that's not what I said, and not what I meant.
I am saying that the intentions of this shop are very different to the aspirations of the larger corporate stores, as I went on to describe.
they are also not in as good a position as corporate stores to be able to recover from such vandalism.
they have already realized this - there's a sickening picture of around 30 kids on the previous page to prove this!
These Police Officers are seriously outnumbered. Which idiot was in charge/put them in this situation?
The Ground Commanders need firing IMO
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456050
hora - Member
So now its closer to home huh. How many liberal apologists will quieten down now?
Quote people on here supporting the riots/looting on here or shut up about 'liberal apologists'.
Rubber bullets can kill as well to all those that have suggested them.
Hora - perfect example there of where CS and Baton rounds would have been of real use
Or a belt full of 7.62 😈
"Rubber bullets can kill as well to all those that have suggested them."
So can chucking big rocks, setting fire to cars, setting fire to property.
Why should Police officers put their own lives at risk and not be able to use comparable force?
Brakes - Still dont see what you are getting at? Big companies employ local people, help develop a community just as much as a small business. This is whole different topic anyhow and NOT relevant. The fact that property is being damaged regardless of who owns it, and it is wrong!
So can wide-spread Arson and throwing bricks at people trying to do their job. You know, something these people can't grasp the concept of.
Like I said, if the Police started throwing broken bricks back there wouldn't have been a second night of riots. The ****less don't have a stomach for pain, only if they can give pain.
Notice how they always seem to fight with a knife, gun or in big groups?
Quote people on here supporting the riots/looting on here or shut up about 'liberal apologists'.
Exactly. Nobody is supporting what's going on right now. I've followed this thread from the start and I haven't seen anyone actually in favour of this madness. Everybody here knows the problems on the ground right now need to be sorted in whatever way those responsible and qualified deem most appropriate.
Unfortunately it just seems impossible to talk about the wider issues without being branded a liberal apologist. Or in my case, being accused of missing the point. I wasn't. I was taking that point for granted, as I'm sure most of us wooly vegetarians are.
jackthedog - MemberIt pains me to say after recent forum activities, but TJ and Elf are among the main bastions of common sense here.
Thank you
How do these troubles compare to riots in the uk in the past? Worse than the poll tax riots?
A few observations after reading the posts above.
Some people on here clearly are not happy but don’t really seem to know why.
Lots of ‘sniping’ at other STW posters.
Lots of unrest in general amongst posters, not the usual my bike is better than yours stuff, more vicious.
This is war on anybody who's opinion is not liked or agreed with.
People on here seem to want to engage just for the sake of it.
Bit like what’s happening out there.
to be completely honest - right now I'm too angry & caught-up in this to think any deeper about the core problems/catalysts etc
right now I'd like to see some justice but all I'm seeing are pictures of these dregs of our f@#king society doing as they please - then I hear our home Secretary dodging yes or no question with typical political bulls@#t answers - we need to ask our children where they are tonight (like they are going to say "well actually we looted pc world then foot locker") - bulls@#t force is needed then the parents will be saying hey no way your going out that door.
All this who should we blame, who should we blame. Simple the people rioting.
For some reason in this country from the student riots to these riots we also ways try to blame others, police, government, society, and not the people actually doing the rioting. Yes there are social problems that need looking at but at the end of the day if you break the law you should feel the full force of the law.
I love how stupid these kids are as well that they post pictures of themselves with their loot on Facebook. They cant even do a good job at being a criminal. I liked what one policeman once said "The majority of criminals are STUPID, if not they wouldn't get caught"
A few observations after reading the posts above.Some people on here clearly are not happy but don’t really seem to know why.
Lots of ‘sniping’ at other STW posters.
Lots of unrest in general amongst posters, not the usual my bike is better than yours stuff, more vicious.
This is war on anybody who's opinion is not liked or agreed with.
People on here seem to want to engage just for the sake of it.
Bit like what’s happening out there.
Very true mate.
And now I come to think of it, the much-remarked increase in hostility on this forum does co-incide with the election of the coalition government as well.
Tiger those pics are fantastic !
I think they also blow away some of the stuff on here about the scumbags being from the dreggs of society. Some of them look very well dressed and hardly on the bread line.
I wish when I was out of work I could have afforded North Face jackets and posh trainers etc.
... or did they just nick it all?
I actually thought that given how emotive the topic is and how polarised the opinions most of it has been conducted in good spirit.
You know what, I think people are nervous and scared.
We (I) are sat in front of our PC's reading Twitter/BBC news/STW and we're hearing that bad things are happening in our towns and we are powerless. We want to stop it but just don't know how to make them, we want to go home and not be sitting nervously listneing to sirens and helicopters.
And when people are nervous they react and get angry because as people we like to be in control and right now, we're not.
So please, cut each other some slack as I think there are a few people on edge out there today.
Surrounded By Zulus - Member
How do these troubles compare to riots in the uk in the past? Worse than the poll tax riots?
Depends on what you mean by 'worse'
PT riots involved more people for a longer time, these looting riots are far more sporadic with smaller groups.
But I think the current events may be seen to be 'worse' in many respects because they are so unfocused and random whereas the PT riots were (at least initially) a politically motivated protest where perceived symbols of wealth and privelege were destroyed rather than acquired.
But PT riots did eventually turn in to a mass blagathon, I guess it's human nature close to it's worst in both cases......
So Boris has been heckled because the police presence and response has been ineffective...
Does anyone wonder whether the same people were complaining about the police being too heavy handed during the student tuition protests?
Does anyone wonder whether the same people were complaining about the police being too heavy handed during the student tuition protests?
No, because they are totally different.
Just to recap:
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What brompton tires for riots?
Schwalbe.
We could do with borrowing the French CRS for a week or 2. They seem to clear things up rather swiftly.
LUNGE.
You make some good points.
"Does anyone wonder whether the same people were complaining about the police being too heavy handed during the student tuition protests? "
This does actually put into context all the right wing blowhards who condemned the student demos and anti capitalist demos as riots. Those were not riots and the police response to hippies and students was clearly over the top and violent.
Now we have real riots and the police response is to stand back try and contain (but not Kettle) and hope that they will fizzle out and that cctv will produce some convictions.
Yep i know the above is a gross over simplification but that seems par for the course at the moment.
😆 @ snake pic.
Mastiles - those photo's look like some contemporary dance event that might be featured on Newsnight Review 😀
from twitter:
"My 17 year old daughter has just received a bbm broadcasting that the meet is at Hounslow Bus Garage tonight at 10pm......area to avoid!"
No, because they are totally different.Just to recap:
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Excellent, thanks for clearing that up.
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It pains me to say after recent forum activities, but TJ and Elf are among the main bastions of common sense here.
Oh god. They will think they are invincible now. Quick, someone pass me the rubber bullets and CS gas.
Some interesting people being charged ATM:a graphic designer, [u]students....Lots of non locals
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Single mothers, obviously. With a slight whiff of 'of course, that lot don't have dads around, do they?' Grand Theft Auto. Kids don't understand the difference between video games and real life nowadays! Twitter. For allowing people to communicate with each other. And because people on Twitter were nasty about this lovely newspaper when we had our slight little tiny problems a couple of weeks ago (which thankfully everyone's forgotten about now!) The Left. Everyone on the Left, especially people who might have protested about things in the past. Not just the Left, but particularly the Left. Which brings me to UKUncut. Because they use Twitter, and rioters used Twitter, therefore they're exactly the same. Am I embarrassing myself? No no, I really haven't even started. The PC Brigade of course. For letting people have PC views about things, that means we can't even beat our kids to a meaty pulp nowadays - you just have to sit back and let them riot rather than do anything about it; there really is literally nothing you can do nowadays. We're helpless because of the namby-pamby nanny state mollycoddling these feral youths, which is why people smash up shops and set fire to things, because we weren't violent enough to them in the first place. Not having enough water cannon. Yes, water cannon. Mmm, water cannon. A great big hose to spray those nasty young boys with. That'll work. That'll make everything all right. Sure, these disturbances are over wide areas and it might appear at first that it wouldn't make any difference, but it sounds like something worth doing, doesn't it? And we might see some of these peasants getting sprayed headfirst through a shop window live on Sky News, so that'd be great to watch, while slowly masturbating, wouldn't it? Actually, shoot them. Shoot them all. Shoot them on sight. Shoot anyone. Shoot everyone. Bring in the army and shoot everyone. Shoot everyone. Shoot them now, and then it'll be all right. That will make everything better. It's not as if this all began with someone being shot, is it? Can't see any problems whatsoever if we just start shooting people on sight, and asking questions later. That'll be fine.
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DenDennis - Member
probably not as soul destroying however as being woken up by partying 'never-want-to-be-employed' in the flat above you at 3am when you're trying to get some kip before the days work that you know will leave you little better off than them at the end of the month
Yes, that does rather grate.
Well, I'm already on a train on my way home after our office (Holborn) has been effectively evacuated. Lots of shops, pubs, etc locked up already too.
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I reckon it'll be a lot like Groundhog Day tbh
The signs were there alright, they started when we prevented schools from disciplining pupils and therefore erroded respect that children have for any authority when they were just infants, it was perpetuated when we prevented parents from disciplining their children and reinforced the belief that children can coast through life with few consequences to their actions. It continued when we erroded the value of family and created social support networks that enable people to live comfortable lives without ever having to work, entirely supported on the state with no obligation to take any responsibility for their actions or their life. It gets worse every year as this underclass of undereducated, under diciplined irresponsible individuals continues to have more an more children born into a ghetto culture where underachievement is celebrated, criminality is glorified and parental responsiblities are ignored and abdicated to the state.Even now some people are queuing up to blame those from outside of these communities for the crimes that are being committed within them, further absolving them of responsibility and giving credence to their vacant and tired claims of victimisation. These are feral children who've been let down by their parents and overindulged by cloying liberalism that confers endless rights with no sense of responsibility. The left seems to be tripping over itself in its desire to flaggelate the law abiding citizen over this, its easy to blame the law abiding as then you don't have to deal with culprits, or admit that perhaps you've been wrong for decades on how to deal with these sort of social problems. If you balme everyone else then its easy to conclude that this is a problem that's too big to fix, instead of taking the pragmatic view of dealing swiflty and harshly with those that are guilty of committing these crimes and protecting the innocent law abiding tax payer from their vile, self destructive behaviour.