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Oh shut it you tart binners.This will help alleviate your pain:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/6024941771/in/photostream
The welfare state has fed her well. She should have joined the looting of Evans - she could do with some cycling from the looks of her.
I'm taking it the people who are expressing views about the '****less unemployed' haven't spent any time unemployed themselves recently? And I hope you never doBelieve me, the reality of life on benefits is about as far removed from the Daily Mails depiction of a nice cushy layabout lifestyle as it is possible to get. Its soul destroying!!!
Then why are all the minimum wage jobs filled by Poles, Romanians, Afghans and pretty much every nationality you can think of, rather than the young English people who are in such abject poverty on benefits?
These people come across the whole of Europe, for a wage that our own yoof cannot be arsed getting out of bed for!
Kids running wild on the streets, calls for the police to batter them.
If only there was someone to protect the yoof:
Believe me if you'd have physically touched those children I would have protected them.
?????
Because unlike honest binners the ****less really know how to play the system and make money on the side.
I was on the dole once. I start shudder thinking about it. In the Job centre in Kilburn/London with the ****er behind the desk saying 'so why are you here and what will you do to find work'?
Talked to me like I'd never worked or wanted to. Lowest.
"Talked to me like I'd never worked or wanted to. Lowest."
Unfortunately, my wife deals with dross every day of her life, and she says unfortunately after a while you switch off and just do your job because they have no respect for you, dont interact with you, cant interact with you etc etc.
In the Job centre in Kilburn/London with the ****er behind the desk saying 'so why are you here and what will you do to find work'?
Always nice to reply "Keeping you in a job, so thank me." 😀
Yeah a friend used to work in the Bradford dole office and said he just had to sit there signing form after form, giving money away to people he knew were cheating the system. One occasion he told me of a guy who walked in telling him the dole money he had just collected had blown out of his hand outside the post office and needed an emergency payment. My mate had to authorise it.
Funky later on I received a letter saying I wasn't entitled to receive unemployment benefit but possibly income support with a letter to follow in a few weeks. I just went out from 8am to very late until I got a job.
So enfit and the others who hate my / elfs/ Ernies analysis two questions.1) why has this happened?
2) how to prevent it happening again?
1) because the rule of law broke down when the police demonstrated that they were not prepared to stop it in its early stages - so a group of ignorant people with a self indulgent, self righteous, false sense of victimhood then realised that the police were no more prepared to stand up to them than their parents and teachers have been - they are doing it simply because they are being allowed to.
2) react with overwhelming police force and swift and punitive justice (including prosecution of parents)in the early stages.
yossarian - MemberThey are disrespectful, thieving, opportunistic, lazy, selfish, greedy bastards.
So are the media, the bankers and the politicians. Actually you could aim a fair bit of that at the middle classes too couldn't you?
What happened last night was an expression of our society. Like it or not it is actually up to us to sort this out. No-one else will. Prevention is always better than cure right? Yes, prosecute those involved and deter others from starting but creating conditions in communities where young people actually see a point to living with respect towards each other that doesn't rely on weapons and violence is fundemental.
We've got a chance now. After this and the news international stuff there's clear evidence that our structure has failed for those at the bottom whilst those at the top get richer. It needs to be changed or this will keep happening. What we saw last night was significant. It was a message to the police - WE ARE NOT SCARED OF YOU. If the only response is force then we are sowing the seeds for more of the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6359363.stm
Thats where we start.
Oh and it doesn't matter who's fault it is.
This is the best post so far. But what has been the ultimate cause? Is it capitalism? Will the system that gave us freedom and aspirations ultimately be our downfall? What are the alternatives and how can we undo the damage that's been caused to the young generation? I think these events are simply the zeitgiest, but are currently overshadowing the other major issue here which is the impending economic collapse. There are definitely hard times ahead and likely worse to come.
borris is back!
were saved
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hes getting slapped down by shopkeepers on 5live right now
You reckon? The only people who actually used Sure Start round here were the middle class mums who wanted to take their toddler to a well organised group. The people it was aimed at didn't use it as that would involve leaving the house.
My wife says there's some very "deserving" (read crap) mothers who used the local sure start group here. Just for the record.
And on a general note, it is possible to be liberal/blame the Tories for this mess and still want to see tear gas and rubber bullets deployed you know.
This is the best post so far.
Really?
Because this sounds like an incitement to violence to me;
We've got a chance now..... It was a message to the police - WE ARE NOT SCARED OF YOU. If the only response is force then we are sowing the seeds for more of the same.
Great. Lovely.
Would you hug these hoodies?
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Listening to Radio 4 at lunchtime I had to laugh - Cable was there saying "We'll catch all these criminals and punish them as seems fit"
The Police are having severe cutbacks, forensics won't be paid for, govt were talking of scrapping CCTV, Prisons are overflowing/being closed - so what is the actual deterrent?
Public disorder offence.
A fine and 6month suspended sentence.
hopefully the SCUM BAG on the bike will get a puncture from the broken glass that will give way and see him under a bus (with his new trainers hanging out - like the wizard of OZ)
So now you can identify each looter by the very fact that they're wearing "new" trainers eh..
Interesting.
heavy force - surely there are no innocent people shopping for trainers there today?
f@#king retards are robbing trainers when there's a pawnbrokers next door (probably with a window full of gold)
Night time IED's in the entrances of shops purveying electrical goods and branded sportswear.
Job done
Like how the white guys don't bother with hoodies!!
that's a completely blatant misquote
What ? Re read the wpost
reckon the little fat white chap is ring the police or his mates to get down there?
Just an observation that will likely see me flamed but I thought it was striking that the Camden residents looting were mainly black whilst those in the clean up vid were predominately white. Why? Is the split representative of employment, wealth, opportunity, role models, community blah blah. I don't know, but why is there such a clear difference?
Trying not to stereotype and very aware of how this may read.
we need the A-team !
reckon the little fat white chap is ring the police or his mates to get down there?
He certainly doesn't seem to be interested in Holland and Barrett.
CaptainFlashheart - MemberThis is the best post so far.
Really?
Because this sounds like an incitement to violence to me;
We've got a chance now..... It was a message to the police - WE ARE NOT SCARED OF YOU. If the only response is force then we are sowing the seeds for more of the same.
Great. Lovely.
No- I meant because it's a possible insight into the mindset of these people. Once you can understand that then you can start to address the problem. I'm still at the stage where I can't fully understand it.
sefton - Memberf@#king retards are robbing trainers when there's a porn brokers next door (probably with a window full of gold)
theres a porn brokers next door?
no one wants razzle or readers wives anymore, its all on the internet
or perhaps you meant prawn? 😉
The demographic is crystal clear.
What ? Re read the wpost
You re read it love. The dear old captain has taken a paragraph, cut a chunk out and given it a meaning that the original didn't convey. That's a misquote. Do try and keep up
its blatantly obvious these kids can do want they please - & boy do they know it
CRACK SOME F@~KING HEADS FFS!
its blatantly obvious these kids can do want they please - & boy do they know itCRACK SOME F@~KING HEADS FFS!
One thing will come of this- these kids will invincible and more blatant in muggings etc in the future.
Here's a clip of MiCycle in London being turned over. Can all the apologists explain what gives this knob heads to destroy peoples hard earned businesses?
right. that's my LBS. now I'm pissed off.
this is not a big corporate bike shop, it's a small community bike shop, they have initiatives which try to get people (including kids) involved in community-spirited activities.
So now its closer to home huh. How many liberal apologists will quieten down now?
Brakes - that rates as one of the most stupid comments so far
MAN SHOT IN CAR-
Breaking from Guardian web
"A man shot in his car during last night's rioting in Croydon, south London, died after being admitted to hospital. He was discovered in a car suffering from gunshot wounds at about 9.15pm as trouble flared in the area."
That's disgraceful! RIOT! Oh hang on...
FunkyDunc - Member
Brakes - that rates as one of the most stupid comments so far
Why? Why should he/she (Apologies!) not be angry that a really positive new enterprise has been damaged by this? An enterprise which is, from what little I know of it, really working hard to try and improve the lives of their own community while also working with bikes. Double goodness in my view.
It pains me to say after recent forum activities, but TJ and Elf are among the main bastions of common sense here.
The apparent simplicity of everything as it appears to the [i]"hang the ****less scum"[/i] brigade makes me so very wish I could fall on that side of the camp. I truly am envious of anyone's ability to close their mind and live in blissful ignorance. A world of straightforward black and white must be so much easier to live in than the horrendously complex one I know.
Alain De Botton makes as good a point as any on the situation we're in.
In so far as advanced societies provide us with historically elevated incomes, they appear to make us richer. But in truth the net effect of these societies may be to impoverish us because, by fostering unlimited expectations they keep open a permanent gap between what we want and what we can afford, who we are and who we might be.
We face epic societal problems. The [i]"wooly liberal apologist"[/i] brigade are aware of how deeply flawed our way of life is, which means in the time it takes to compose anything even approaching a sensible, considered contribution to a discussion they know to be massively complex, their detractors who prefer to hold an ignorantly simplistic viewpoint can throw together countless ill conceived causes and solutions.
Unfortunately these hastily typed, over simplified retorts at best only ever seem to offer solutions to symptoms. The more considered people focus on the causes. They also understand that there is no "us and them". Just an "us".
It's much easier to ignore complex issues than it is to accept and face up to them, so the sheer volume of [i]"hanging's too good for em"[/i] idiocy in such debates will always overwhelm the few sensible points that somehow make it through.
As Darwin said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
Brakes - that rates as one of the most stupid comments so far
There's an idiot over on bike radar that said big chains like Starbucks were fair game for the rioters but they should leave small independents alone...
I have just been informed by someone who knows about things that the transport system In town may be about to start shutting down and to leave the project office and go home and work from there. It may be of interest to others.
What brompton tires for riots?
Its ok to damage/nick property from large organisations but not small independants? Perhaps brakes is aspiring to the same level of intelligence as our friends on the streets...
in the meantime let the anarchy continue 🙄