[Closed] Tory MP calls police plebs

Get a grip. Plebgate would have received the same coverage, if not more, if the accused had been a Labour Chief Whip.

Not on here and not by you.

The topic of this thread is a major news story which is being extensively covered by the media, it is rather silly to suggest that there would have been no thread had a Labour Chief Whip been accused of launching a foul-mouthed rant at a copper in the street.

And I certainly would have expressed the opinion that he should be sacked. Do think I believe that Labour are above criticism ? 😀

ernie_lynch - Member
Well Mitchell has now started to shift his position. Apparently he did swear after all, despite previously vehemently denying that he had. In other words, he's admitted that he's been lying for the last couple of days. I can't see why Cameron wouldn't sack him now.

ernie_lynch - Member
Do you think Cameron should have sacked Mitchell ? Without any sort of investigation? It is normal to investigate things before sacking people.

Like you E-L, I have shifted my position on this one 😉 Knee-jerk reaction is that the guy should lose his position as Chief Whip. He lied, he showed insufficient respect to a PO, he swore and he was rude. And then as the faux-outrage intensifies and the story comes out, the issue becomes less clear.

He lied? Most probably, or was at least, "economical with the truth". The politicians defence (sic)

Respect the PO - No, but what are the rest of us doing. If the DT report above was accurate, the judgement of the PO was to warn AM, and when he went silent, to let the incident pass. That is until the words "you havent heard the last of it." But rather than respect the PO conclusion, people prefer to bring their own conclusions re the seriousness of the offence. How odd?

Swearing - funny that the F word is hardly commented on.

Rude - the pleb word. Rude and unnecessary. But then wave of double standards suggests that this moral outrage is strongly faux.

True to form in the UK - this really all boils down to class with pretty poor behaviour on both sides. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world.....

it is rather silly to suggest that there would have been no thread had a Labour Chief Whip been accused of launching a foul-mouthed rant at a copper in the street.

Mr MITCHELL was then silent and left saying "you haven’t heard the last of this"

Well you certainly can't claim that Mitchell doesn't have foresight, just maybe not in the way he thought 😀

Mitchell and his ilk have very few fans on leftwingtrackworld.

Maybe we just need to learn our ****ing place then eh?

*doffs cap*

Meanwhile, in the rest of the world..

Maybe I'm being short sighted, but (if the account above is true) I cannot see what the Policeman has done wrong. He refused to act as Mitchells bitch and open the gate for him as there was a perfectly fine pedestrian gate 1m away.
Should have told him to go see the padre 😀

I call jobsworth who thought he could abuse his power and get one back.

Even if the officer was being a bit of a jobsworth, in what world does that justify/excuse having a sweary rant at him? You try that one and see where it gets you.

In Mitchell's defence, it was International Speak Like a Pirate Day - perhaps he was just 'in character'?

Even if the officer was being a bit of a jobsworth, in what world does that justify/excuse having a sweary rant at him? You try that one and see where it gets you.

Well if a policeman stops you from going about your legal business for no good reason other than because being a policeman gives him the power to do so, then that's an abuse of power, and a much more serious problem than being a bit sweary.

davidjones15 - Member

It would be silly, wouldn't it? Thankfully there has been no mention of this.

Yes there was - by you in fact : [i]"Not on here and not by you"[/i]

You claimed that Plebgate wouldn't have received the same coverage if the accused had been a Labour Chief Whip.

Read your own posts ? 💡

It's a bit of a leap to claim that:

Plebgate would have received the same coverage

rather silly to suggest that there would have been no thread

The chief whip was only saying what the rest of the government are thinking.

Use your votes plebs, use your votes...

Well if a policeman stops you from going about your legal business for no good reason other than because being a policeman gives him the power to do so, then that's an abuse of power, and a much more serious problem than being a bit sweary.

Oh FFS, the PO told him to use one door a metre away rather than another door. Hardly an infringement of his human rights was it? The real 'abuse of power' is that he gets away with something most of us would have been arrested for simply because of who/where he is.

Well if a policeman stops you from going about your legal business for no good reason other than because being a policeman gives him the power to do so, then that's an abuse of power, and a much more serious problem than being a bit sweary.

Could you enlighten us as to how the copper is in any way, shape or form preventing him 'going about his legal business'?

Can you enlighten us as to why it was illegal for him to go through the main gate?

It wasn't, he expected the police to open the main gates for him. The police told him to use the side gates, like the plebs have to. Apparently, expecting someone of his breeding to mingle with the plebs is insulting, demeaning and offensive.

it's a bit of a leap to claim that:

Plebgate would have received the same coverage

means the same as

rather silly to suggest that there would have been no thread

Nothing silly about it all. I can only only see one current thread on Plebgate. Any less than one would be no thread.

You need to be honest and upfront davidjones15, your displeasure at the criticism being leveled at Mitchell is simply because he is a Tory, betrayed by your reference to "leftwingtrackworld".

For me it makes no difference, if it had been a Labour Chief Whip who had said "learn your ****ing place, you're plebs", I would have expected Ed Miliband to have sacked him. In fact probably even more so as I tend to place the bar a little higher for Labour.

This is not a party political issue, other than it embarrasses the Tory Party, the Tory press have given it [i]huge[/i] coverage. But you can't think of any other defence, so you stick to that line anyway.

Can you enlighten us as to why it was illegal for him to go through the main gate?

Nobody said it was illegal, just against policy to open it for cyclists which is fair enough. The bloke's doing his job according to his orders, Mitchell should have shown some respect instead of trying to throw his weight around.

"I'm sorry this one is shut. Use the one over there."

Response 1: "Fair enough. See you tomorrow."

Response 2: "Pleb."

One of these seems the more reasoned response you'd want to see from a man with a senior role in running the country.

One is very

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Of course Malcolm is more likeable.

was it illegal or just not procedure- has anyone claimed it was illegal for him to use the gate?

Still easier to ask another question than answer binners

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And how is the side gate "for the plebs". AFAIK it's the pedestrian access gate as opposed to the vehicular access gate which is the one he wanted/expected to go through. At the end of the day he was on a vehicle.

This does not, in any way, justify his actions.

If there’s a problem with the police officer treating a cyclist like a pedestrian rather than a vehicle, do you...

a) Say “Very well, but I’ll look into this”, then investigate what the actual policy is and then try to sort it through official channels if it needs changing?

b) Throw a tantrum at the police, swearing and insulting them whilst pointing out how you’re fabulously superior to them?

One of these responses is the response you’d hope to expect from a highly paid government official. The other is b).

Nobby - Member

And how is the side gate "for the plebs". AFAIK it's the pedestrian access gate as opposed to the vehicular access gate which is the one he wanted/expected to go through. At the end of the day he was on a vehicle.

So you're more familiar with the gates protocol in downing St than a member of the police specifically detailed with the protection of the residents and visitors to Downing St then?
And who uses the vehicular gate? Peter Pleb who pitches up to gawp at the ruling elite or the Chosen Few themselves? do you think Cameron & Co routinely use the pedestrian (2. without imagination; dull - dictionary.com) gate?

It perhaps depends if the officer was helpful and friendly, or condescending and smug. The police can be experts in using language and tone to get a rise out of someone while knowing it will sound perfectly reasonable and polite when recited afterwards.

I suspect this is a case of half a dozen of one and six of the other, I don't believe either sides account.

We're speculating that it's just a pedestrian gate. It could be the pedestrian and cyclists gate (which is what it sounds like from the officers report). NOting wrong with that. Why open a very large gate when the cyclist could fit comfortably through the other one?
Even if it's a pedestrian gate, it's not unreasonable to expect a cyclist to dismount when entering and exiting Downing street is it?

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2.
going or performed on foot; walking.

NOting wrong with that. Why open a very large gate when the cyclist could fit comfortably through the other one?

rogerthecat - Member

Oh joy Millipede et al are now demanding a full Parliamentary Enquiry

Have you got a link which reports that Miliband is demanding a "full Parliamentary Enquiry" ? I can't find any news provider which is carrying that story.

If you had read the post rather than leaping with such glee to beat me with the "Erni Stick of Self Righteous Indignation" you would have seen that I did mention it was reported on R4 this morning. That is BBC R4 and, if I could really be bothered to go find it for you I am sure it's on iPlayer somewhere, if you take a moment to look you may find it. Otherwise, I will just have to accept that you are accusing me of making it up. Perhaps there is a job for me in SO6?

CMD's inaction speaks volumes but is anyone really surprised.

What "inaction" ? Do you think Cameron should have sacked Mitchell ? Without any sort of investigation? It is normal to investigate things before sacking people.

Wow, bit of a leap there old chap - no I don't think he should be sacked without proof. However, I have yet to hear CMD state that getting all sweary at one of HM Plod is not in the rules and he would jolly well get to the bottom of this matter. Again if you had done me the courtesy of reading my post before leaping to conclusions like a political gazelle, you would have noticed that I had not called for him to be sacked anywhere in my post.
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At the end of the day he was on a vehicle.

if a policeman stops you from going about your legal business for no good reason other than because being a policeman gives him the power to do so, then that's an abuse of power

no I don't think he should be sacked without proof

Out of interest, what would you consider a satisfactory level of proof for an incident like this?

For the record, I'm not saying he should be sacked, I'm just curious about what you consider constitutes sufficient "proof".

im just waiting for the sun to unearth some of the public witnesses if they come out and say that he used the P word hes doomed

though obviously the sun ? proof

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Don't know if this has already been mentioned ( really CBA to trawl through all the inevitable loony lefty ball locks) but how many people on here have called the police far worse names than pleb for doing their duty.

Phew! Thank God you're here Gorehound. Some sensible, proportionate and balanced reasoning, at long last!

how many people on here have called the police far worse names than pleb for doing their duty.

Well if they have, they'll have been arrested. And depending on how severe it was, they might have 'fallen down some steps' on the way into the station. Just to save you having to RATS. Thats the general gist

I suspect this is a case of half a dozen of one and six of the other, I don't believe either sides account.

It's a load of nonsense. If the police didn't arrest the MP at the time, for an offence, then they should just keep quiet and let it go. Making a fuss about it after the fact is a purely political move, and has nothing to do with law and order. It's farcical. Who loses out are all of us. All becoasue a couple of stupid egos clashed.

how many people on here have called the police far worse names than pleb for doing their duty.

Well if they have, they'll have been arrested. And depending on how severe it was, they might have 'fallen down some steps' on the way into the station. Just to save you having to RATS. Thats the general gist

Binners do you really think the police arrest everyone who calls them names?

I think you should try, Gorehound. If it goes badly, I am not sure you will be allowed to post from your smartphone in the cells to tell us all about it though.

Seriously though, the police report suggests it is a bit worse than calling an officer a pig and blowing a rasberry. In fact, bordering on a public order offence.

Binners do you really think the police arrest everyone who calls them names?

I've seen it on Police Camera Action and Coppers With Cameras. So, yeah, it does happen. So there Mr Rightwing Pants.

how many people on here have called the police far worse names than pleb for doing their duty

I would guess at very few/none-remember this place is literally awash with lefties so we would have have used PC language and this has no swear words as the thought police forbid it.

Perhaps you could ask on the EDL website and see what they say about exactly where the line is ?

I do love these non-stories they run and run, the ones with class indignation all over them are the very best IMO!

Lets people get in a proper Tizzy
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The real question what Evil Deeds are the Con/Dems masking with this pretend story?

First time buyers Mortgages guaranteed against their parents Pensions seems a far nastier policy to my mind, or Nick Cleggs apology for being a generally shifty. lying twunt seem much bigger news than some git having been given the job of being a proffesional MP bully (Presumably because he has a tallent for it) acting true to type....

What else is being mostly ignored during this [I]"News Cycle"[/I]?

I do love these non-stories they run and run

thanks for keeping it going

I aim to please...

I guess if people keep talking and talking about them, then they are indeed newsworthy. If they were "non-stories", well, then, hey, people would get bored and move on.