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The US? The head of state is elected
Yes, but that is because of the US Constitution, which defines who is the head of State & includes the concept of popular sovereignty. Essentially the American people declared themselves soverign. ie Ultimate political authority rests with the people themselves.. but they had to have a revolution to achieve it. You might also notice that they justify it with the phrases
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"
So essentially democratic government is correct becasue we say so.
“That’s a challenging w@@k”
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So we dont need a head of state to be sovereign. It could be the people as in the USA?
Which of course must be hugely tempting for any terrorist organisation which wants to stage a spectacular attack. Or a Bond villain with a Death Ray orbiting in Outer Space.
Or an unhinged Russian dictator needing to go out with a bang
Or an unhinged Russian dictator needing to go out with a bang
If that happens then the sparks of WWIII start but I don't think that will happen because they, even the enemies, have too much respect for the Queen.
Woop Woop - thank god this endless shin ding finishes today, no more news readers pretending to be sad and desperately trying to find black clothes, No more queue updates, no more royalist propaganda shoved down our throats
And hopefully a family may now be able to greave the loss of their Mum in peace away from the public eye
Lets hope Charlie gets a good few years, we can’t go through all this again soon.
I still think she’s been in Windsor for over a week
Heh! You think this ends today?! 😂 Just like Princess Di (gawwwd bless her) this’ll never end!
I’m enjoying Britains most beautiful landscapes on 4, also enjoying the lack of adverts
I haven't seen the arrival of the King of Zamunda yet.
Haven't seen any telly, in the newspaper I go straight to the weather and the puzzles. I'm pristine me.
According to the BBC, the queens funeral is the number one sporting story today. I certainly welcome turning the funeral procession into a race, it will make the highlights a bit more exciting. I wonder if the post match interviews with royals is going to be as generic as usual sporting interviews.
Presumably the royal family are pretty good at the relay events?
Their batton passing would be instantaneous!
I keep hearing quotes from stones roses songs
No way that's the real crown. Wife reckons it is.
Just trying to work out who would be monarch if they all got blown up.
Just trying to work out who would be monarch if they all got blown up.
Danny Dyer ovs.
When the royal cousins did their standing around the coffin bit, the youngest, 14yo viscount somebody, had medals on his chest. Why?
"As it turns out, the medals Viscount Severn were not anything to do with military. He was in fact displaying one medal for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee in 2012 and another one for her late Majesty's Platinum Jubilee earlier this year.
These were also worn by eldest grandchild Peter Phillips."
When the royal cousins did their standing around the coffin bit, the youngest, 14yo viscount somebody, had medals on his chest. Why?
DoE.
Diamond and Platinum Jubilee medals, gifted by the Queen in recognition of those who support the Monarch
https://www.royal.uk/jubilee-medal-be-presented-token-nation%E2%80%99s-thanks
She also gave them to members of her family in recognition of the support they give (gave) her in her duties.
Been for a walk around the village. Back entrance to the castle where the great and the good are heading for the private funeral. Needless to say, more police than a football match. Might walk up to see the coffin as it passes. As for medals, mines in its box still. I’ve never worn it in public.
Ah gongs for gongs sake.
They weren't military medals apparently.
They were queen's jubilee medals and the like.
Too slow!!!
Maybe for the next hour or so some thoughts might be better left unsaid, we can pick them up again this afternoon?
Just my opinion.
Absolutely silent in our village today once the dog walkers and horsists had done their early morning routines.
No cars, no one out walking, no kids out. It's like the height of lockdown, quieter than Christmas Day.
Why aren't they showing all the world leaders? I wanna see Biden standing next to jacinda ardern and macron.
The geezer who gave me my Covid booster jab just now at 11am was wearing his medal ribbons on his scrub top, unfortunately I was in and out too quickly to discuss what they were for.
Just my opinion.
Why are you on the internet sharing your opinion during the funeral? How disrespectful.
How have they got they sound mix so good? Has sounded amazing, inside and out.
How have the got they sound mix so good? Has sounded amazing, inside and out.
im disappointed it’s not in ultra high definition
The outside sound isn’t that good. My brother works for the BBC and the sound quality he recorded is much better than what they broadcast
Is the plan to eat her later ? Plenty of Rosemary on the coffin
Omg how good were those horns!?
Excellent service. Great choice of hymns. Well you on form too. Put together by the Queen and former archbishop of York, John Sentamu. Mrs TiRed says rosemary is for remembrance.
The lights don’t looks so good when shot from above.
The geezer who gave me my Covid booster jab just now at 11am was wearing his medal ribbons on his scrub top
Breach of infection control policy.
My booster today was cancelled. Next available booking October, if I get Cv ffs......
So why isn't Harry wearing a uniform?
Breach of infection control policy.
For covid vaccinations? What are the infection risks? My very first jab as I remember it was given to me by a young doctor in ordinary clothes with his sleeves rolled up.
So why isn’t Harry wearing a uniform?
He gave up the right to wear any of it when he left Royal duties.
So why isn’t Harry wearing a uniform?
He's not allowed to play with the dressing up box anymore.
Deleted. Daft post to have on the top of a new page
He gave up the right to wear any of it when he left Royal duties.
So why does The Prince of Nonces still wear his?
We were told he was stepping down from Royal duties?
Neither are in uniform today gobuchul.
Except Harry was a serving officer and as such should be able to wear his AAC uniform but he has to request permission from Buck palace.
So why does The Prince of Nonces still wear his?
We were told he was stepping down from Royal duties?
I've not seen him in uniform. When did he wear it?
That 'king lot just demean the poor souls who actually serve.
He was in uniform when the children stood at the coffin. Which is ridiculous.
There really are some daft uniforms. I have just realised how utterly absurd bearskin hats are. If you saw someone walking down the road wearing one you would think wtf. You wouldn't necessarily think that if you saw someone wearing a beret, or even perhaps a peak cap. They are just so ridiculously tall. The helmets with long ponytails look incredibly stupid too.
And as for beefeaters, I have never understood why grown men are expected to dress like something out of Alice in Wonderland.
I don't understand the appeal behind all the "pageantry".
Usual standard there from all the sailor boys holding hands! 😉
It's a joke. 😄
I didn't watch it today but assumed he would of, as I saw him wearing it standing by the coffin.
That ‘king lot just demean the poor souls who actually serve.
For all their faults and I'm no fan of Andrew especially but he and Harry did actually serve and are war veterans who have put themselves in harm's way.
He was in uniform when the children stood at the coffin. Which is ridiculous.
Ah, gotcha.
I didn’t watch it today but assumed he would of, as I saw him wearing it standing by the coffin.
Seen. I think they asked and were given permission for that occasion. Wise choice of Harry to choose Blues & Royals rather then AAC, the beret doesn't look as good as a cap in No.1 dress.
What are the rules regarding ex-services wearing uniform? Particularly public/official events?
How good is London looking without all the cars?
There should be a car free Sunday once a month around buck house and the parks
FWIW William also served as a pilot for the Navy and RAF after transferring from an armoured division command, but was prevented from combat service after Harry's duty was leaked and specific threats made.
Charles was in all three services too, flying helicopters and commanding a minesweeper.
They may not have seen combat service, but do all service personnel who have not seen combat also demean others?
Edward's service in the RM was memorably short and his military appointments are honorary.
What are the rules regarding ex-services wearing uniform? Particularly public/official events?
Put simply, you can't. Medals and & beret for veterans, with the exception of Chelsea pensioners who have a specific uniform.
@gobuchul retired officers (don't know about the rank and file) can but need to gain permission.
Ironically its only Harry and Andrew who were deployed to combat areas.
Royals aside, I quite like the pageantry of big state events. We do it very well, and we've got **** all else to offer the world at the moment, sadly.
Gotta agree, it's utterly spectacular.
I don’t understand the appeal behind all the “pageantry”.
It's a bit like going to Disneyland, you need to suspend the disbelief and go with flow otherwise reality kicks in and you realise it's all a bit pointless. Sometimes we all need a bit of make believe.
Although just a small group compared to the larger spectacle, the funeral party have conducted their role perfectly throughout.
Slightly off topic but my claim to fame is that I nearly smacked Harry in the face with a toilet door whilst out in Afghan. All the helicopter squadrons were in a separate compound at camp bastion and whilst Harry was on the Apaches I was based two hangars down on the Merlin.
We all shared the same loo block and when coming out of the loos I swung the door open and nearly smacked him in the face. I think I actually shat myself !!
Royals aside, I quite like the pageantry of big state events
So do I. I've always enjoyed Trooping the Colour, particularly this year when I discovered a feed without commentary, but then I like military bands (my dad was ,in a minor way, a regimental musician and one of my oboes was bought from a member of the Household Cavalry).
Hard to top a solo piper though.
Slightly off topic but my claim to fame is that I nearly smacked Harry in the face with a toilet door whilst out in Afghan. All the helicopter squadrons were in a separate compound at camp bastion and whilst Harry was on the Apaches I was based two hangars down on the Merlin.
We all shared the same loo block and when coming out of the loos I swung the door open and nearly smacked him in the face. I think I actually shat myself !!
I can smell this post. Good times.
When was Harry ever in harms way? He was surrounded by his own security detail on bases and never left it. He only went because he got caught in Vegas so had to go and do apr trip to make amends
My dad was part of Churchill’s parade. Queen’s colour squadron. Often had marching band music on in our house. Still love the music.
Today seems very backwards looking, rightly so, but that will be used by people to try and create an “us” with dissenting voices shut down. We need to be heightened to that.
When was Harry ever in harms way? He was surrounded by his own security detail on bases and never left it. He only went because he got caught in Vegas so had to go and do apr trip to make amends
Oh, you were there too! @Renton we've got another service member here that has got the inside gen. 🙄
A very good friend was an MP at Bastion and made aware of the arrangements because his role
A very good friend was an MP at Bastion and made aware of the arrangements because his role
Well either you or your 'mate' are full of shit.
Harry flew countless mission supporting troops in contact, escort to the MERT aircraft amongst the most significant.
He left the wire plenty of times.
someone stated earlier in this thread, that our love of the royals was over.
i think we can safely say that from today's display it is far from being over.
a fantastic show of love and respect by the queens people. amazing.
“Crown Prince Pavlos will be in attendance at her funeral, according to Gert's Royals. It's unclear if any other Greek royals will join him, like his wife Princess Marie-Chantal, or his parents King Constantine and Queen Anne Marie.”
Eh? How does this work, then? Can any joker pretend to be king of somewhere and blag an invitation? Seems to me I am currently sitting in the Hellenic REPUBLIC. The clue is in the name!
Eh? How does this work, then?
Family innit? Family is traditionally invited to attend the funeral of a deceased relative. In this case the Greek cousins have been invited.
I see that no one from the Russian Government was invited to the funeral.
No invites necessary as most of them could just watch from the balconies of their Central London mansions anyway.
That ‘king lot just demean the poor souls who actually serve.
Even the ones with 'Royal Navy' written on their hats? Maybe the ROYAL Air Force representatives?
When joining the fuzz, you swear an oath to the queen/King. If you don't mean it, you shouldn't be in post
Perhaps they are a little more for the Queen etc. than you may think.
I am royalty agnostic; not really for, not really against.
Except for the fact that, without a constitutional monarchy, we would have President Truss.
#shudder#
Well either you or your ‘mate’ are full of shit.
Harry flew countless mission supporting troops in contact, escort to the MERT aircraft amongst the most significant.
He left the wire plenty of times.
Well said. Few things more sickening than an armchair expert, spouting 'my mate said' bollox to denigrate the character and courage of someone who actually served in combat.
i think we can safely say that from today’s display it is far from being over.
I don't think is representative about how people feel about the next generation of Royals.
Even I, a republican, can stand back and say in her role, she did a good job and behaved, majority of the time, with dignity. I didn't agree with her bringing Andrew back in to the fold, with his role at Philips funeral but I know a lot of mothers who with their unconditional love for their children, could never believe their children to do any wrong.
Charles and Camilla are completely different beasts.
We all shared the same loo block and when coming out of the loos I swung the door open and nearly smacked him in the face. I think I actually shat myself !!
I shoulder barged prince Edward in Soho one rainy winters evening, think it was either on Newman St or Rathbone place, narrow pavement, parked cars, him walking 2 abreast and me unwilling to step into the gutter between parked cars so i held my line..
didn’t look back, no tugging of forelock or geneflection.
This would have been when he dabbled in TV/theatre production with mummys money to set up Ardent productions.
Except for the fact that, without a constitutional monarchy, we would have President Truss.
This type of lazy assed shite really bugs me.
As opposed to a ceremonial monarchy with Prime Minister Truss...so exactly the ****ing same really.
I don't understand why the royal hearse doesn't have any license plates, nor why the police are wearing uniforms comprising of black shirts. Surely it hasn't all been purchased with one use in mind? Seems like a terrible waste if it has.
Edit: It must be just the Met, all the police in London seemed to be wearing black shirts but the police in Windsor are wearing white shirts.
Well said. Few things more sickening than an armchair expert, spouting ‘my mate said’ bollox to denigrate the character and courage of someone who actually served in combat.
I don't get bent out of shape about people criticising the military, just be accurate about it.
Very few people outside of the air group had a clue what went on in that compound for good reason.
You'd be surprised the amount of idiots who'd compromise security chatting to people back home.
It's also not the first time I've heard that utterly boring dit.
As opposed to a ceremonial monarchy with Prime Minister Truss…so exactly the **** same really.
I'd imagine we'd end up with President Sugar and Prime Minister Truss.
I have no doubt we'd elect an absolute swiveled-eyed moron.
i think we can safely say that from today’s display it is far from being over.
The tens of thousands lining the route and the roughly 750000 who trouped past the coffin may agree, but they are but a relatively small percentage of the population and a self selected one at that. Nowhere in view on the telly are those who are indifferent or positively against the monarchy( which is probably appropriate today for reasons of taste) so it would be wrong to extrapolate for the whole country.
constitutional monarchy,
we don’t have a constitution. The rf allow Parliament to exist hence they get to preview all legislation that might affect them and sign off on all that dues get passed. A ceremonial monarch would be big step forward for the country
@Chrismac : The Helicopter compound was a separate compound within Bastion and quite secure so I never saw him with a security detail. He was quite amicable with me after the loo door event and even had a laugh about it.
I was also there when the infamous "Battle of Bastion" took place and by all accounts he was whisked away quite quickly on that occasion !!
@relapsed_madalorian : You are right about being able to smell it !! it was those loos or a thunder box outside the Chinny det .... No thanks 🙂
My 6 year old's just asked if the dead Queen show has finished yet?.