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Munge-chick - fair play to you for being completely honest. I think too many people expect every individual police officer to conform to some uber-cop stereotype. Policing is far more nuanced and complex than just being a hard-case and completely filling the force with steely-eyed Harry Callahans wouldn't be smart (although maybe a few more wouldn't go amiss in certain places 🙂 ). You are putting yourself in harm's way, knowing you have a particular fear and that's something that most people won't do. Respect due.
As for this particular incident, having seen the video, they did put on a bit of a poor show. Once thing I've seen many times over though is how group psychology can rapidly take over and it looks like they succumbed to this in a big way rather than piling in and kicking the crap out of the dog's belly or wrapping it in a stab vest and sitting on it (or whatever - I don't want to play armchair quarterback as I wasn't there).
I've had cause to look at various incidents (real and staged) involving multiple people (3+) and one antagonist. There are certain visible shifts in the behavior of the group and fear/uncertainty can propagate incredibly quickly, causing undue caution and breakdown of protocol/technique compared to when only one or two are dealing with an assailant.
It's amazing to see trained people treating a swinging fist as if it's a live grenade when there are five of them against one crazy loon. Half the time it's because of one of the alpha's initial negative reaction (even just a flinch) and the rest rapidly follow. The same people on their own or in a pair having a history of behaving completely differently (i.e. bolder and more assertive). Pretty interesting if you're into psychology in any way.
The utter idiotic bovine faeces that people on here spout when it comes to the police really annoys me. 99% of you have absolutely no idea what is involved in every day police work. How difficult it can be to confirm intelligence or the spontaneous nature of some situations. Let alone how to deal with a violent or mentally disturbed individual. Undoubtedly mistakes were made in this case but the total lack of compassion and downright offensive comments from some people verge on certifiable personality disorders. I also think some people should be careful what they post on here. They are leaving themselves open to criminal allegations being made against them. Remember the Muamba comments on Twitter? Idiots.
Its ok. Hora's not really got an 'Armoury'
They are leaving themselves open to criminal allegations being made against them. Remember the Muamba comments on Twitter? Idiots.
Do go on........
Still chuckling at wrecker thinking " having a few moments" with his rescue dog is in any way comparable to this horrific incident.
Best wishes to the officers injured and a speedy recovery.
It wasn't funny at the time I can assure you.
When a mistreated 37kg english bull terrier decides that he's the boss and he's going to prove it to you, there wasn't any chuckling going on from either of us.
Pfft! Have you never wrestled a shark? Or punched a crocodile?
No but I've bummed a few grizzly bears.
Nonsense is about to go beserk with the report post button......
The negative: unfortunate cops.
The positive: more might be done to stop people keeping (potentially) dangerous dogs. Bad publicity for big dogs is a good thing IMO. You can't wander around brandishing a knife so why should you be allowed to walk a big dog in public. You can't wield in public any of the weapons the police use after special training except a dog. [url= http://www.****/news/article-1235851/100-people-week-treated-dog-bites-attacks-soar-66.html ]The result (Daily Mail haters don't click)[/url]
Wrecker I reckon I owe you a bit of an apology..
Ive had a bit of a think whilst out..
SOMEBODY on that team should have done stepped in..Poor show that no-one did..that lad who got chewed should be bought beer till the end of time for being strung out in quite such a fashion.
Ive just read that 1st post on that thread..fing brilliant!
Ban all large and/or potentially dangerous breeds except working dogs
What, like this one? Not ten months old and already nearly ten stone. (That's the dog btw, the owner's nearer eighteen)
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Some dogs are very difficult to fend off especially those with short or "thick" snout.
Okay ... on another note ...
I know some of our Timor/Papua's friends in the far east just machete it ... make some BBQ fire and throw the carcass onto the fire. Dinner time.
Sounds like a total farce to me - I can't belive the other 4 clowns legged it while their mate was getting savaged.
you'd have thought that 4 of them together could have given it a good kicking if nothing else... or as numerous others have said, find a knife in the kitchen and stab the dog?
Keystone cops.
Wrecker I reckon I owe you a bit of an apology..Ive had a bit of a think whilst out..
SOMEBODY on that team should have done stepped in..Poor show that no-one did..that lad who got chewed should be bought beer till the end of time for being strung out in quite such a fashion.
Ive just read that 1st post on that thread..fing brilliant!
No worries mate its only the Interwebz. Make sure you read all of auld sappers post on that thread, you'll love it.
Legalaliens post was fascinating and so relevant. Someone should have manned the **** up and it's important to understand the mentality of why they didn't.
What happened to that fellow from London with the accent?
He ahd a view on the "babylon"
A few years ago I was asked to attend the back yard of a Police station to help a couple of old dears from the local dog rescue centre. They'd tried to collect a stray from the Police kennel but it had got free, and was now running amok in the yard pissing & shitting all over the place.
Anyway, me and a (now retired) colleague arrived to see this lovely big brown eyed mongrel simply looking for a way out. We'd both had dogs all our lives, had the correct kit, and were both confident we could handle fido. 5 minutes later we were both enroute to A&E.
This loveable rogue had fallen for our charms (and my snap), and allowed us to get hold of him, but just as we started to apply the chain he turned into what can only be described as a hovering, spinning frenzied fur coat with teeth and razor blade claws. It was horrible. He'd obviously cottoned on to what was happening and decided not to play. Somehow it managed to get both our arms clamped in its jaws at the same time. I have this enduring image of my mate bludgeoning this mut with his baton, which was having no effect whatsoever, whilst at the same time the 2 old dears were saying "oh, don't hurt him..." 2 nil to fido.
A year or so before this a bobby I know was chasing a lad who he knew was wanted on warrant. He was beginning to drop behind the criminal, and saw him run into a house on the street.
Anyway, the bobby ran straight into this house to grab him before he ran out the back, only to be faced with a snarling pitbull squaring up to him in the living room. The bobby froze, the dog leapt and within a split second it had clamped its jaws straight onto his nob end. You can imagine the scene (and the squeal).
Once detached we didn't wait for the ambulance and transported him straight to Hospital. there was a lot of blood streaming down his legs and the bobby had gone quite pale. The A&E nurse was very concerned and immediately asked "where have you been bit", to which the shaken bobby replied "Kirkby in Ashfield". Made me laugh anyway.
Mildred those are my idea of a nightmare situation, give me a knife wielding manic MH patient fine .. but a dog ... not even a crazed one and I'm a goner!!! 🙁
LOL @ mildred. .....
can't see the original video now as it's been removed!
Ordinarily I'd be the last person to bother defending the Police but nobody here has any clue as to the context of the situation so criticising the planning etc is just daft.
Also given that there must be loads of these kinds of raids going on every day across the country, with the amounts of these kinds of dogs housed in such places it would seem that the cops must get it right 99.9% of the time.
Last year a horrible pitbull went for a colleague on a raid very similar to the one described in this news story. It was horrible this dog, but intel suggested it had recently been destroyed due to it's violent tendencies. Anyway, on entry to the property the TSG serial played it cute and brought the electric shock dog shield to the front; they didn't particularly trust the intel.
As they put the door in the dog unleashed great furious anger and launched itself at the shield. Ha ha, I hear you say; the cops were safe behind an electric wall of pain. Thing is, nobody told the dog what was supposed to happen, and though it bounced off it kept coming back. This caused a bit of a hold up and the lads were needing to get in before all the drugs were flushed away. They started to push forward shouting commands at the dog and lighting the shield up, but little mutley was far more devious than that. It managed to push it's way past the shield and proceeded to savage the cops behind forming a not so orderly que. This was going great for the fido until it met Paul - a former firearms officer in the twighlight of his service who calmly drew his Tazer, took careful aim and got both probes in Fido's body. Numerous times it was activated before the dog had enough and stopped attacking the cops, ran into the living room, whereupon someone slammed the door shut leaving fido to his own devices.
throughout the search everyone could hear noises coming from the living room but nobody would go in. Eventually the RSPCA arrived and went in and extracted the animal. The scene that met the cops as they entered was verging on apocalyptic; the dog had systematically dismantled everything in the room with it's teeth, then re-decorated with excrement. The dog was eventually destroyed, drugs were recovered, the dealer was locked up, bit in a strange twist of divine justice, the room wasn't touched until the offender returned home some days later. Nice 🙂
Ordinarily I'd be the last person to bother defending the Police but nobody here has any clue as to the context of the situation so criticising the planning etc is just daft.
I agree entirely, and you can count me as a full time police sceptic. The amount of internet warrioring going on here is unreal.
They are leaving themselves open to criminal allegations being made against them.
Get a grip, you numpty.