[Closed] This "we're all in this together " did i miss something ?

ministers in the next government will have a 5% pay cut.

Whilst I agree with the economic diagnosis and to some extent the conservative prescription he's been given to trot out by people far brighter than him, I would really prefer to hear it come from someone who I didnt think was a bit of a t1t.

Unfortunately callmeDave has nailed his colours to this particularly dimwitted mast and I cant see him getting away with dumping Gideon before the General Election without getting anally violated by the left-wing press. More's the pity.

They will be sacrificing some of us.

"..Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death..."

his proposals would seem to ensure that [i]they[/i] observe [i]us[/i] all being in it together for a few years longer

As above, 5% cut in [b]ministerial[/b] pay next year and then freeze it for the rest of the Parliament.

I need to see a [s]few[/s] lot more dead bankers before I believe we're all in this together.

It's a lyric from High School Musical.

His favourite film probably.

we're all in this together

More like: "[b]You're[/b] all in this together, while me and Dave C (worth £30m, natch) continue to look down on you peasants and squeeze the middle classes until their pips squeek."

It seems to me there's an awful lot of people out of work at the moment. Until ministers emulate this situation I fail to see how they're in the same boat as the rest of us.

'heir to the Osborne baronetcy of Ballentaylor, County Tipperary, Ireland.' - yeah we're all in this together aren't we.

I heard Ken Clarks speech, he refered to Osborne on several occasions however I cant help thinking he was "damming him with faint praise"!

ministers in the next government will have a 5% pay cut.

I'm assuming you mean if the Tories win.

Well if the Tories win David Cameron will get a 33% increase in his salary, even with, the 5% cut in the PM's salary. He will also scrap the 50p top rate tax.

So basically............ "vote for me, and I will have a massive wage increase, and I will cut my own tax"

How self-sacrificing of him. It will make me feel so much better when I haven't got a job.

Dave and Georgie Boy are totally clueless when it comes to the lives of (how I hate to use the phrase) "[i]ordinary people[/i]". The only brush with reality Dave has had was the tragically brief life of his son. But this, however sad, does not give him any insight into the economic realities faced by millions. George has no idea.

As for High School Musical being Mr. Osbourne's favourite film? I fear the plot may be a little complex for him.

callmeDave has nailed his colours to this particularly dimwitted mast

LMFAO.
Brilliant. 😀

where you're going in wrong is in the 'listening to what politicians say' department. HTH.

>Dave and Georgie Boy are totally clueless when it comes to the lives of (how I hate to use the phrase) "ordinary people".

You think Gordon's down wit da streetz ? 😆

oldfart just doesn't get it, obviously....

"We're all in this together" - and it's true enough.

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Bit like the Titanic - we're all doomed, "we're all in this together", but the crew will be checking the first class tickets on the lifeboat

"[i]It seems to me there's an awful lot of people out of work at the moment[/i]"

But that can't all be laid at the government's door. Surely some of it must be down to ****handed-****wittery in the finance dept of individual companies?

You think Gordon's down wit da streetz ?

Are you suggesting that Gordon Brown had the same privileged upbringing as David Cameron ?

What do you base that on ?

[i]You think Gordon's down wit da streetz ? [/i]
Deffo! Did you not think him ringing the mental singing woman and going on breakfast TV to mention it showed his humanity and understanding of the little people ?

You think Gordon's down wit da streetz ?

Born in Govan, went to a comprehensive school - you know, like normal people.

Cameron - 'At the age of seven, Cameron attended the independent Heatherdown Preparatory School at Winkfield in Berkshire, which counted Prince Andrew and Prince Edward among its alumni.'

But we're all in this together.

Everyone's pretty much agreed that there should be no rewards for failure, right? So why oh why would anyone vote to re-elect Labour? (read Robert Peston's book "Who runs Britain?" if you want a convincing explanation of why you shouldn't)

Let the other lot have a go, they certainly can't be any worse and you never know, they may actually be an improvement.

Everyone's pretty much agreed that there should be no rewards for failure, right? So why oh why would anyone vote to re-elect Labour? (read Robert Peston's book "Who runs Britain?" if you want a convincing explanation of why you shouldn't)

10 years of uninterupted growth, yes huge failure!

Born in Govan, went to a comprehensive school - you know, like normal people.

Yes, his childhood was clearly horrible

Gordon Brown was born in Govan, Glasgow, Scotland.[15] His father was John Ebenezer Brown (1914–1998), a minister of the Church of Scotland and a strong influence on Gordon.[16] His mother Jessie Elizabeth Souter, known as Bunty, died in 2004 aged 86.[17] She was the daughter of John Souter, a timber merchant.[18] Gordon was brought up with his brothers John and Andrew Brown in a manse in Kirkcaldy — the largest town in Fife, Scotland across the Firth of Forth from Edinburgh.[19] In common with many other notable Scots, he is therefore often referred to as a "son of the manse". Brown was educated first at Kirkcaldy West Primary School where he was selected for an experimental fast stream education programme, which took him two years early to Kirkcaldy High School for an academic hothouse education taught in separate classes.[20] At age 16 he wrote that he loathed and resented this "ludicrous" experiment on young lives.[21]

It's funny how everyone seems so hung up on what schools people went to.

I didn't get much of a choice about where to go to school - I didn't get into the "good" comprehensive and the bad one was very very bad (and subsequently led to all of my primary school mates failing to pass their exams) so my mum went back to work and I went to a Grammar instead.

I suppose in the eyes of a lot of STW readers that makes me a toff too - but as I didn't really have a say in the matter I can't help but wonder what makes people judge others on the basis of the decisions that those people's parents took when they were still too young to decide for themselves.

How many people on here wouldn't give their kids the best possible education given a choice?

went to a comprehensive school - you know, like normal people.

I rather take offence at being described as abnormal because I [i]didn't[/i] go to a comprehensive.

So your school defines your place in society does it?

EDIT Farmerjohn beat me to it.

I'm suggesting that the Tories are still generally the party of privilege, and they don't really know or care about the issues that affect ordinary people. What schools they went to reflects that.

Surfer wrote:

10 years of uninterupted growth, yes huge failure!

That comment serves simply to highlight your ignorance. Ever heard of boom and bust, the thing wot dear Gordon abolished?

[i]So your school defines your place in society does it?[/i]
Often yes. But it's not really a question that warrants a yes/no response.

Have you actually seen Kirkcaldy High?! 😉

A good essay on PMs and Public Schools

[url= http://www.attainmagazine.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=archive.content&cmid=82 ]But whatever he did to British party politics, Blair has apparently revolutionised the attitudes towards public school. While Blair was at Number 10, the growls of John Prescott about posh Tories sounded rather silly. Even now that he has gone, he has left a party where a significant number of senior members have had a similar background. Such luminaries as Ed Balls, Ruth Kelly, Harriet Harman, Charles Clarke and even Jack Straw all attended independent, fee-paying schools

That comment serves simply to highlight your ignorance

My masters in Economics is clearly no match for your insight!

However from my position of ignorance I know a largely external economic influence when I see one unlike the largely self inflicted downturns the previous tory governments have inflicted upon us.

Give me Keynes over Friedman any day!

My masters in Economics

If it came from a Poly it doesnt count surfer! 😉

As President Richard Nixon observed in 1971, “We are all Keynesians now.”

Nice role model Surfer 🙂

Damm you Stoner!!

Nice role model Surfer

Baby, bath water Stoner?

"Baby, bath water[b]gate[/b] Stoner?"

fixed it for you.
😉

Jack Straw

He was born in Buckhurst Hill, Essex, England of part-Jewish background and brought up at Loughton, Essex by his mother, Joan Sylvia Gilbey[1][2] on a council estate after his father Walter Arthur Whitaker Straw,[1] an insurance salesman and the son of Arthur Whitaker Straw, left the family and condemned them to poverty. He was educated at Staples Road School, Loughton, and then boarded at Brentwood School, at that time a direct grant grammar school with largely LEA supported pupils

We could play this game all day. I'm not suggesting that anyone who went to a fee-paying school is automatically a toff and a snob, but the level of privilege on the Tory front bench is fairly ridiculous. Strangely enough William Hague and Ken Clark are probably the Tories I have the most respect for - just discovered William Hague went to a comprehensive and Ken Clarke went to the same school as Jack Straw. 🙂

Everyone's pretty much agreed that there should be no rewards for failure, right? So why oh why would anyone vote to re-elect Labour?

I think it's fair to say that all the things which are now used to bash the labout government - Iraq, the banking crisis, recession, public debt etc - were the result of policies which we can be fairly confident the tories would have followed to the letter.

Would the tories have invaded Iraq? Yes.
Would the tories have reigned in the banks? No
Would the tories have prevented the recession? No.
Would the tories have stopped everyone getting up to the eyes in debt? No.

The only thing they probably would have done differently was spend less on frontline services, and as a result we wouldn't have the hundreds of brand new schools and hospitals which now exist.

I'm no particular fan of Brown or Blair, but all this talk of 'broken Britain' and the public debt is a smokescreen to deflect people from the undoubted good things that have happened over the past 12 years.

Strangely enough William Hague and Ken Clark are probably the Tories I have the most respect

same here.

Im looking forward to seeing Hague at the FO.
Just a pity that Clarke wont get No. 11 because of that cretin Osborne being such chums with Dave.

dazh - good post, thoroughly agree.

"The only thing they probably would have done differently was spend less on frontline services, and as a result we wouldn't have the [s]hundreds of brand new schools and hospitals which now exist.[/s] £800bn of national debt we do"

It may be spurious in places but it's pithy and will get the blue-rinses excited, from Hague's conference speech:

[i]If he wants lists I’ll give him a list. This is the real list of the last twelve wasted years:

- £22,500 of debt for every child born in Britain

- 111 tax rises from a government that promised no tax rises at all

- The longest national tax code in the world

- 100,000 million pounds drained from British pension funds

- Gun crime up by 57%

- Violent crime up 70%

- The highest proportion of children living in workless households anywhere in Europe

- The number of pensioners living in poverty up by 100,000

- The lowest level of social mobility in the developed world

- The only G7 country with no growth this year

- One in six young people neither earning nor learning

- 5 million people on out-of –work benefits

- Missing the target of halving child poverty

- Ending up with child poverty rising in each of the last three years instead

- Cancer survival rates among the worst in Europe

- Hospital-acquired infections killing nearly three times as many people as are killed on the roads

- Falling from 4th to 13th in the world competitiveness league

- Falling from 8th to 24th in the world education rankings in maths

- Falling from 7th to 17th in the rankings in literacy

- The police spending more time on paperwork than on the beat

- Fatal stabbings at an all-time high

- Prisoners released without serving their sentences

- Foreign prisoners released and never deported

- 7 million people without an NHS dentist

- Small business taxes going up

- Business taxes raised from among the lowest to among the highest in Europe

- Tax rises for working people set for after the election

- The 10p tax rate abolished

- And the ludicrous promise to have ended boom and bust

I could go on:

- Our gold reserves sold for a quarter of their worth

- Our armed forces overstretched and under-supplied

- Profitable post offices closed against their will

- One of the highest rates of family breakdown in Europe

- The ‘Golden Rule’ on borrowing abandoned when it didn’t fit

- Police inspectors in 10,Downing Street

- Dossiers that were dodgy

- Mandelson resigning the first time

- Mandelson resigning the second time

- Mandelson coming back for a third time

- Bad news buried

- Personal details lost

- An election bottled

- A referendum denied" [/i]