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Even after her shambolic showing as home secretary and kinda racist attitude
After the Tory power struggle that culminated in Brexit and the backstabbing that followed
She did seem like a steady hand, and importantly hadn't backed Brexit to further her career/ego a la Gove/Johnson/ Farage etc
Then she picked the fools for top Brexit jobs, must be a cunning ruse....
Then came a Tory conference all about naming and shaming foreign workers, selective schools and sadly a continuation of the bitter divisiveness of the referendum.
She's been unable to control the Brexiters from leaking and briefing against anyone that disagrees with them; MPs including her own chancellor, judges, civil servants, ambassadors, people the country need to have at the top of their game alienated and May has failed to back them up.
She is starting to look weak and indisisive, coz everyone is starting to worry that 'cards close to your chest'actually means There Is No Plan.
Now we have her [s]Big[/s] Shared Society , an empty series of soundbites that her speechwriters and spindoctors must have spent literally 2 meetings on
She will be defined by one thing alone, there's almost no point in her bothering trying to do anything else, not because Brexit is all that matters, but because it's a black hole that is sucking all the focus and resources of government and will do for the next 10 or so years.
She backtracked after America finally took a stand on Israeli settlements, then it turns out the Israeli embassy has a list of her own MPs they are trying to smear, just as she failed to defend the judiciary, Hammond, the civil service etc, she'll dither on this too.
Anyway, Theresa maybe, I am not a fan
Not even the trousers?
Well she will be known in history as the brexit means brexit woman, last captain of the good ship GB who just chucked out the last guy with a paddle.
Anyway, Theresa maybe, I am not a fan
Good, we have something in common ! now go ride your bike, life is far too short 😉
Is it also bad that I'm not sure if the dead ringers version is actually an impersonation
She has really sad eyes. Even if she tries to smile she still looks sad.
There's some darkness in her heart and it will consume her from the inside.
A heart attack awaits.
Hopefully she will stand aside , walk a dog or do some gardening.
I hate her with a passion but there's no point doing a job that will kill you.
Kimbers sums it up for me. Keeping your cards close is one thing, but she is turning into a series of vacuous sound bites like Gordon Brown did as PM. At least Blair, Clegg, Gove, David Miliband,Alan Johnson etc say something with conviction in a way that you know where they stand. May is not the woman our country needs right now. Good job we have an effective vibrant credible opposition....oh wait, poo!
And on the opposite side, I think she's doing a very hard job quite reasonably.
It's a bloody tough job doing something that you know is bad for Britain (but that people voted for). All political carees are doomed to end in failure but hers (as PM) starts with an even bigger disadvantage than normal. She can't possibly win. Toires always blow themselves up,over Europe, she's is/will be merely the latest casualty in a long list.
is she related to captain slow? Yes, no, maybe?
I do agree that it's a very very tough job , I'm just not convinced she's the one for it.
Not sure I'd like to pick from the rest of her party, I just hoped May would be a bit stronger and smarter
Stop Press. Hold the front page. Anti-Tory is anti-May.
So now we don't have the rich Eton boy as PM we have the vicars daughter with a socially progressive agenda and she's not for you.
As the Telegraph said yesterday she's going to reposition Tories to make Labour electorally irrelevant. There is the gaping centre ground which has besn vacated by Labour and she's going to fill it.
Sky news in an hour.
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I'd rather play tennis
Stop Press Hold the front page Jamba is in denial again
She is a political animal with in the confines of her party, is clueless or worse wilfully blind to what is going on in Britain.
So now we don't have the rich Eton boy as PM we have the vicars daughter with a socially progressive agenda and she's not for you.
Is the piece in the telegraph had any substance then maybe it would have helped but it had nothing other than vague hopes.
Let's face it not backing the judicial system when they lost first time was ridiculous.
She can't keep her 3 amigos on a leash
Still has no brexit plan
Has lost one of her key negotiation team through what looks like not listening.
The cluster that was the conference
Then there is her track record as home secretary.
Best of a bad bunch, only sane one etc. Still does not mean she is doing a good job.
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As the Telegrapgh said yesterday she's going to reposition Tories to make Labour electorally irrelevant. There is the gaping centre ground which has besn vacated by Labour and she's going to fill it.
Repeating exactly what the Tory press office says doesn't make it any more believable
As the Telegraph said yesterday she's going to reposition Tories to make Labour electorally irrelevant. There is the gaping centre ground which has besn vacated by Labour and she's going to fill it.
Yet again you confuse political maneuvering with what is good for the country. Eliminating the opposition allows you to do what you want. Having strong opposition forces you to act in the interests of others. A bit simplified but broadly true.
She has a passion for shoes and sexy underwear too.
Win ?
'Eliminating the opposition allows you to do what you want'
Surely that's a dictatorship? Nacht und nebel anyone?
Andrew Marr and the BBC must be smarting
Why? If this is your highlight of your day then I expect disappointment. I predict no actual answers of any substance and hundreds hearing what they want to with their kleenex
@mike in a few weeks no one will even remember the ambassadors name, I can't even now. Who remembers our Commissioners name ? He quit on day-1 and no one has even noticed.
Obviously Jamby, how could we not have thought that. Maybe when the negotiations actually start he might well be missed.
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Barfs.
Barfs again.
She's a walking vacuum. I don't believe she has a single firmly held belief or idea beyond her own advancement. A trait she shares with many of those around her
To be honest sturgeon is becoming a bigger PITA more because she is showing what little actual control she has over anything yet continues to threaten x ,y and z , every now and again she pops up saying she is not bluffing about a fairer deal for Scotland but the poor delusional cow hasn't realised even yet she has no say.
Never been a fan on May but have to say I think she is damned in history of she does but also if she doesn't. I seem to recall her charter for snooping when she wasnt PM and thought she was a bit backwards then
She will probably just screw the whole Europe exit and Britain because she can
While we all sit and watch.
If we were the French they would be burning down the streets by now and have held the whole country hostage by parking our onion towing tractors and striking
We need a revolution in this country.
Tory version of Gordon Brown. Won power by manoeuvring rather than an election. Arrogant, evasive, distant, dithering. She combines all the worst traits of Brown, Major and Cameron and none of the good parts.
I've said it before, but she'll go down as the single most disastrous PM in this country's history. I seriously doubt whether she'll even get to the next election.
Yet again you confuse political maneuvering with what is good for the country.
This. Plus zillions.
She striles me as a depply inept individual a sort of Tory Gordon Brown but with less people skills and a racist agenda
Personally I think she lacks the skill - as THM notes she has not been dealt a great set of cards so I dont think anyone could really do well of this dogs dinner of a situation- to actually lead the country
At some point her Trymp like i have a plan to make it great for us and get th ebest we can will need to be a n actual answer and I very much doubt she has it
She also seems, given she is a christian, immensely keen to get rid of foreigners at any cost including the economy and seems determined to re invent the Leave vote as if it was a vote to end /curtail immigration and nothing else
Obvs I wont like her whatever she does but she seems like a low grade middle manager elevated to the top because everyone else had a personality that repelled enough that the grey quiet person slipped through[ not being give boris or gO was more important than the fact she was TM] to be given power only to the n note she was shit and not up to the task
NO thatcher on the current evidence
jambalaya - MemberAndrew Marr and the BBC must be smarting
Approximately 2 million people watch the Sunday political chatshows, nearly 1.7 million watch the Andrew Marr Show. Clever move on the part of Theresa May to "snub" Andrew Marr.
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Tory version of Gordon Brown. Won power by manoeuvring rather than an election. Arrogant, evasive, distant, dithering. She combines all the worst traits of Brown, Major and Cameron and none of the good parts.I've said it before, but she'll go down as the single most disastrous PM in this country's history. I seriously doubt whether she'll even get to the next election.
Succinct, to the point and stunningly accurate.
Have you thought about a career in political advising ?
Still, think of her now prancing around No10 in heels, satin and that smarmy grin she adopts.
We were applying for my wife's visa when she had been home secretary for two years. To say she has no beliefs of her own is a fallacy- we realised over that time that she despises foreigners and the world outside the UK. So much so it is dangerous for the country- her rules on student visas will dramatically reduce university funds whilst also having zero effect on net migration. She is happy to rip families apart with her spouse visa rules from 2012 which go against the ECHR. Which she is determined to leave. And she is pro brexit.
She is an evil woman and it terrifies me that people think she is occupying the centre ground when in reality she is the most right wing PM we have had for 30 years.
socially progressive agenda and she's not for you.
Issuing socially progresssive sounding sound bites and then acting in a contrary way is not being socially progressive.
She is an evil woman and it terrifies me that people think she is occupying the centre ground when in reality she is the most right wing PM we have had for 30 years.
Agree.
She striles me as a depply inept individual a sort of Tory Gordon Brown but with less people skills
Agree.
dramatically reduce university funds
Thank christ because those lazy b*****s need a kick up the arse In my entire working life I have yet to come across a more self serving workshy elite who wouldn't survive without handouts from the EU, make them work with business and make the UK great again.
The NHS is sinking
And Social Care's a mess.
But HS2's essential
And Trident is the best.
"Brexit means Brexit."
You say it with such pride.
If you never tell us anything
You'll say "at least I never lied".
You don't like legal process,
You don't like refugees.
You don't like Nicky Morgan.*
But you do like G4S?
You had a go at Gordon,
when he stepped into the breach.
"Running scared of the people's verdict."
Irony means irony.
So we'll wait for 2020.
We'll let it go full term.
Enjoy your reign, Theresa.
Just switch the lights off on your way out.
* To be fair, a lot of people don't like Nicky Morgan, It's just that we don't like her for better reasons than how she feels about our trousers. Because you have time to argue with each other about trousers and handbags. Maybe if you'd spent that time better, you'd have come up with something better than "Red, white and blue Brexit".
Or maybe not, maybe that's the best you've got and you really are that ****ing stupid.
Socially progressive?
That's the funniest thing you've said all week, and you do tend to come out with some corkers
As for the witch vs witch MkII, witch MkII just needs someone to invade a bit of Britian somewhere. If my memory serves me well, Thatcher was somewhat on the nose until the S*n's second most delightful headline of all time 🙄
I've switched on the may interview
Has this been going on for an hour?
She's just looking uncomfortable on the NHS at the moment
And now she's having to discuss trump's pussy grabbing 😯
I'm not sure Andrew Marr would've gone straight for the crotch grabbing !
B4 cutting off the interviewer at the end, is Sky news always this shoddy.
Cassette boy is going to have a lot of fun with this
Has she mentioned that brexit means brexit yet?
Thank christ because those lazy b*****s need a kick up the arse In my entire working life I have yet to come across a more self serving workshy elite who wouldn't survive without handouts from the EU, make them work with business and make the UK great again.
I'll be as measured as I can in the face of such idiocy but do you realise that without the universities and their research most of the developments that will make the world a safer and better place to live in future will never see the light of day? Everything from medicine to food health to ground stability to the future of energy storage will start in a university.
They do depend on EU funding and when all that has dried up all the intelligent people at universities in the UK will go abroad. Britain's power to develop new science will have gone and we'll be some backwater country with no skills to develop new technology of our own.
Meanwhile business will continue to be self serving, fattening the wallets of those at the top whilst pressuring governments to reduce the rights of those at the bottom who need them most.
There is the gaping centre ground which has besn vacated by Labour and she's going to fill it.
Of course she is. 🙄
We need a revolution in this country.
Or at least some revolutionary politics. All the while I've been voting all parties have just nibbled around the edges. There is no appetite for radical reform it seems.
There is no appetite for radical reform it seems.
Not sure I agree with that - the brexit vote was a vote for radical reform. Unfortunately it was reform of an ignorant and self-destructive variety. There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision. Unfortunatley they have so far totally failed to take that opportunity 🙁
The Team Sky method of government - say one thing and do the opposite, while having the press onside to press home the false promises.
Sir Dave as chief advisor once he gets the push from Sky?
There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision. Unfortunatley they have so far totally failed to take that opportunity
I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision.
Indeed there is. For that to happen though there has to be an audience. Even Jeremy Corbyn's not very radical left policies have failed to capture the imagination, so I doubt many will listen to really radical ideas. Things will need to get a lot worse before anything really radical is a possibility. Brexit offers the opportunity for that, and I have no doubt TM will play her full part in bringing it about.
I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
This is exactly the problem. People sit around on their backsides waiting for some messiah to appear with all the answers. The only way real change will happen is when the people themselves demand it. That's going to take an awful lot more than voting for a Jeremy Corbyn or whoever else every few years.
Not sure I agree with that - the brexit vote was a vote for radical reform
No it wasn't. The basic political and hierarchical structures of the UK remain the same. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision.
Indeed there is. For that to happen though there has to be an audience. Even Jeremy Corbyn's not very radical left policies have failed to capture the imagination, so I doubt many will listen to really radical ideas. Things will need to get a lot worse before anything really radical is a possibility. Brexit offers the opportunity for that, and I have no doubt TM will play her full part in bringing it about.I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
This is exactly the problem. People sit around on their backsides waiting for some messiah to appear with all the answers. The only way real change will happen is when the people themselves demand it. That's going to take an awful lot more than voting for a Jeremy Corbyn or whoever else every few years.
Except they're not necessarily. But of course we'll never find out, because EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY has a drip, drip, drip anti Corbin/anti Labour stance. Sky News will only play at making TM uncomfortable, Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
, because EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY has a drip, drip, drip anti Corbin/anti Labour stance.
Has he given them anything for a good news story?
Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
Think you missed the ironic smiley there. Marr is a dyed in the wool tory, like most of his [s]hard-left communist[/s] BBC colleagues such as Nick Robinson and Laura Kuensberg.
with a socially progressive agenda
Could you explain this to me please because what I see are things like promising to imlrove social mobility by doing thing proven to reduce it like like grammar schools.
It doesn't matter Mike, whilst the popular press is constantly willing to disseminate drivel from the Conservative press office that everything's rosy in Theresa's garden*, there's nothing even approaching a 'positive spin' for the left.
Yeah Daz, way over my head.
*not a euphemism.
@watty don't hold your breath, been done to death in the corbyn thread but he is the wrong guy for it, they need a salesman. May is actually copping plenty of flak over brexit and other stuff. These are the points where an effective opposition should be coming in. In many ways clegg should have stuck at it. Perfect time for them to make a comeback (awaits a tuition fee comment but honestly how much have people forgotten about the main 2 parties)
Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
Well from the bits I saw she didn't seem that at ease with some fairly tame questions
Blinking and stammering when discussing the NHS
Dodging the question questions regarding trump's mysogyny
I've said it before, but she'll go down as the single most disastrous PM in this country's history.
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
Slimy little shit.
The deal Dave struck was the best we will have ever achieved. That should not be forgotten. It will only get worse from here and Dave wasn't even that good. His ambassador wasn't bad though, so Theresa could always turn to him.......ooops.....
When Theresa first came in I held out hope that she was playing the long game.
Make 'Brexit means Brexit' platitudes to keep the headbangers in line.
Give your political rivals an impossible task by making them responsible for making Brexit a success.
Wait for them to crash and burn, removing them as potential leadership rivals.
Wait for public option to shift decisively against Brexiteers ( a process that is well underway).
Can the whole stupid thing and return to sanity.
Sadly it's becoming more and more obvious that actually she's just running scared of the loony wing of her party, UKIP and the Daily Mail and clinging to power, the country be damned.
It's going to be a rough ride.
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
Well quite, but that was before anyone realised that the person who would get the job of steering the country through the monumental clusterf*** that he created would be a vacuous power hungry control freak with the charm and communication skills of an aspergic hermit (Elizabeth I is her idol FFS!), and the competence of a middle manager promoted way beyond her ability. Cameron looks like a Titan in comparison. I mean, who the hell says 'Red, white and blue brexit' and expects to be taken seriously?
Given the hand she's been dealt she ain't doing badly. Whatever she says or does at least half the country is going to be more than a trifle unhappy, so she's saying as little as possible.
No news is good news.
The basic political and hierarchical structures of the UK remain the same. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
That's what happened, absolutely, and predictably so. But once the Brexit voters realise that what they got was less than what they had before maybe they will think more carefully about what they need to do and the revolution can start.
Thank christ because those lazy b*****s need a kick up the arse In my entire working life I have yet to come across a more self serving workshy elite who wouldn't survive without handouts from the EU, make them work with business and make the UK great again.
I think you're mistaking reality for the jumble of tabloid headlines, bar-room grumbling and naked spite all rattling round in your head.
When Theresa first came in I held out hope that she was playing the long game.
Yep me too. But, like you, I'm realising that neither she, nor the motley collection of suits around her, have the faintest idea what they're doing, other than being paralysed by a mean-spirited, insular dogma that has always characterised the Conservative party.
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Given the hand she's been dealt she ain't doing badly.
And that's going to be her excuse for every failure, problem and f*** up from now. She's already trotting out the 'Cameron's govt had no brexit plan' excuse. Trouble is she was part of that govt, and she was less than enthusiastic at campaigning to remain despite her declared support for it, so she can't really claim it's nothing to do with her. She's no better than Johnson, Gove et al. She has used the brexit vote as a vehicle to further her political career, and consequences be damned. Now she's trying to shore up her position off the back of racism and xenophobia on the immigration issue (at least she's consistent on that I suppose), and again, consequences be damned.
Funny isn't it how football managers get flak for not doing post-match interviews as it's seen as being part of their job. Obviously that principle doesn't apply to the post of PM.
maybe they will think more carefully about what they need to do and the revolution can start.
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a vacuous power hungry control freak with the charm and communication skills of an aspergic hermit (Elizabeth I is her idol FFS!), and the competence of a middle manager promoted way beyond her ability.
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[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/11/nick-cohen-theresa-may-interview-brexit ]See also Nic Cohen the other week:[/url]
She doesn’t have grand faults, just the standard coding errors you must expect if you install a Thames Valley Tory into your system of government.
Given the hand she's been dealt
Sure it's the hand she picked? No one in their right mind would want to be PM post brexit.
She's an arseclown.
She took over from an arseclown, who used to be in coalition with an arseclown to prevent that other arseclown getting back in.
If you support her, you're an areseclown.
If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a viable alternative to this areseclown, then yes, you are an arseclown.
How many arseclowns is it going to take for people to realise we'd probably be better off without any of them?
Arseclown.
I think you're mistaking reality for the jumble of tabloid headlines, bar-room grumbling and naked spite all rattling round in your head.
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Hardly 🙄 first hand experience of wastage, grumbling and watching the crap those of that ilk do to justify their positions. And those that support them are just as bad , fast way to finding millions if you know the right people , so sure university PFI should be the norm.
Hardly first hand experience of wastage, grumbling and watching the crap those of that ilk do to justify their positions. And those that support them are just as bad , fast way to finding millions if you know the right people , so sure university PFI should be the norm.
Sorry - I don't know what you're talking about.
She may have been dealt a shit hand, but she's certainly making the worst of it.
Sorry - I don't know what you're talking about
I [i]think[/i] Phil likes the idea of PFI, you know, this :
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-credit/crippling-pfi-deals-leave-britain-222bn-in-debt-10170214.html ]Crippling PFI deals leave Britain £222bn in debt[/url]
[b][i]"Treasury data analysis unearths the 'enormous financial disaster' of Private Finance Initiatives"[/i][/b]
She may have been dealt a shit hand, but she's certainly making the worst of it.
We're still in Europe. It could be worse...
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
I suspect May will end up making Cameron look like a a die-hard lefty by the time she's finished.
She basically agreed to eat a shit sandwich as part of the deal to become PM. She's spent 6 months staring at it on her desk, prevaricating etc, but at some point she is going to have to take her first bite and she knows exactly what it will taste like. She will then have to consume the rest of it over the next two years.
Probably why she looks so miserable.
And +1 on the racist bit, she seems to be genuinely unpleasant to boot, so probably deserves the sandwich....
She basically agreed to eat a shit sandwich as part of the deal to become PM. She's spent 6 months staring at it on her desk, prevaricating etc, but at some point she is going to have to take her first bite and she knows exactly what it will taste like. She will then have to consume the rest of it over the next two years.
Another referendum looks like the least bitterest pill to swallow at the moment.
PM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future.
The economy is getting on nicely.
No more referendum on the same issue forever.
The fate of the remainders is sealed.
Hello 2017 !
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PM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future.
Definitely low energy, judging by her interview today
She is doing fine unlike her critics the reminders who are all going in circle chasing their own shadows. That's low-energy. 😆kimbers - Member
Definitely low energy, judging by her interview todayPM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future
Look! As long as she don't dither and buys the beers and supports an Independant Yorkshire she'll be fine. Could you see Corbyn buying a round? Well yes but not until a committee of the brothers has been formed to ensure that all the beer is an equal opportunity brew with hops from a fair trade source and that any yeast have not acted in a facist manor. Bar would be shut and chippy's closed for walk home before he got his hand in his pocket, admirable for a lad born in gods country but not for a bloody comer inner. What's worse he'd never support an Independant Yorkshire, he be ok with them Lancashireites get in an nickin our trails an shaggin our sheep.
From the interview it's clearly a hard Brexit. Taking control of the borders means no single market. Joy. Stockmarket and currency should be hilarious tomorrow
An interesting, different perspective from the Guardian: ESP the penultimate para
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