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There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision. Unfortunatley they have so far totally failed to take that opportunity
I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision.
Indeed there is. For that to happen though there has to be an audience. Even Jeremy Corbyn's not very radical left policies have failed to capture the imagination, so I doubt many will listen to really radical ideas. Things will need to get a lot worse before anything really radical is a possibility. Brexit offers the opportunity for that, and I have no doubt TM will play her full part in bringing it about.
I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
This is exactly the problem. People sit around on their backsides waiting for some messiah to appear with all the answers. The only way real change will happen is when the people themselves demand it. That's going to take an awful lot more than voting for a Jeremy Corbyn or whoever else every few years.
Not sure I agree with that - the brexit vote was a vote for radical reform
No it wasn't. The basic political and hierarchical structures of the UK remain the same. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
There is a huge opportunity for the radical left to spell out an alternative vision.
Indeed there is. For that to happen though there has to be an audience. Even Jeremy Corbyn's not very radical left policies have failed to capture the imagination, so I doubt many will listen to really radical ideas. Things will need to get a lot worse before anything really radical is a possibility. Brexit offers the opportunity for that, and I have no doubt TM will play her full part in bringing it about.I think they are still forming a committee to see who holds the crayon
This is exactly the problem. People sit around on their backsides waiting for some messiah to appear with all the answers. The only way real change will happen is when the people themselves demand it. That's going to take an awful lot more than voting for a Jeremy Corbyn or whoever else every few years.
Except they're not necessarily. But of course we'll never find out, because EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY has a drip, drip, drip anti Corbin/anti Labour stance. Sky News will only play at making TM uncomfortable, Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
, because EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY has a drip, drip, drip anti Corbin/anti Labour stance.
Has he given them anything for a good news story?
Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
Think you missed the ironic smiley there. Marr is a dyed in the wool tory, like most of his [s]hard-left communist[/s] BBC colleagues such as Nick Robinson and Laura Kuensberg.
with a socially progressive agenda
Could you explain this to me please because what I see are things like promising to imlrove social mobility by doing thing proven to reduce it like like grammar schools.
It doesn't matter Mike, whilst the popular press is constantly willing to disseminate drivel from the Conservative press office that everything's rosy in Theresa's garden*, there's nothing even approaching a 'positive spin' for the left.
Yeah Daz, way over my head.
*not a euphemism.
@watty don't hold your breath, been done to death in the corbyn thread but he is the wrong guy for it, they need a salesman. May is actually copping plenty of flak over brexit and other stuff. These are the points where an effective opposition should be coming in. In many ways clegg should have stuck at it. Perfect time for them to make a comeback (awaits a tuition fee comment but honestly how much have people forgotten about the main 2 parties)
Mr Marr may have at least tried to do it properly.
Well from the bits I saw she didn't seem that at ease with some fairly tame questions
Blinking and stammering when discussing the NHS
Dodging the question questions regarding trump's mysogyny
I've said it before, but she'll go down as the single most disastrous PM in this country's history.
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
Slimy little shit.
The deal Dave struck was the best we will have ever achieved. That should not be forgotten. It will only get worse from here and Dave wasn't even that good. His ambassador wasn't bad though, so Theresa could always turn to him.......ooops.....
When Theresa first came in I held out hope that she was playing the long game.
Make 'Brexit means Brexit' platitudes to keep the headbangers in line.
Give your political rivals an impossible task by making them responsible for making Brexit a success.
Wait for them to crash and burn, removing them as potential leadership rivals.
Wait for public option to shift decisively against Brexiteers ( a process that is well underway).
Can the whole stupid thing and return to sanity.
Sadly it's becoming more and more obvious that actually she's just running scared of the loony wing of her party, UKIP and the Daily Mail and clinging to power, the country be damned.
It's going to be a rough ride.
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
Well quite, but that was before anyone realised that the person who would get the job of steering the country through the monumental clusterf*** that he created would be a vacuous power hungry control freak with the charm and communication skills of an aspergic hermit (Elizabeth I is her idol FFS!), and the competence of a middle manager promoted way beyond her ability. Cameron looks like a Titan in comparison. I mean, who the hell says 'Red, white and blue brexit' and expects to be taken seriously?
Given the hand she's been dealt she ain't doing badly. Whatever she says or does at least half the country is going to be more than a trifle unhappy, so she's saying as little as possible.
No news is good news.
The basic political and hierarchical structures of the UK remain the same. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
That's what happened, absolutely, and predictably so. But once the Brexit voters realise that what they got was less than what they had before maybe they will think more carefully about what they need to do and the revolution can start.
Thank christ because those lazy b*****s need a kick up the arse In my entire working life I have yet to come across a more self serving workshy elite who wouldn't survive without handouts from the EU, make them work with business and make the UK great again.
I think you're mistaking reality for the jumble of tabloid headlines, bar-room grumbling and naked spite all rattling round in your head.
When Theresa first came in I held out hope that she was playing the long game.
Yep me too. But, like you, I'm realising that neither she, nor the motley collection of suits around her, have the faintest idea what they're doing, other than being paralysed by a mean-spirited, insular dogma that has always characterised the Conservative party.
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Given the hand she's been dealt she ain't doing badly.
And that's going to be her excuse for every failure, problem and f*** up from now. She's already trotting out the 'Cameron's govt had no brexit plan' excuse. Trouble is she was part of that govt, and she was less than enthusiastic at campaigning to remain despite her declared support for it, so she can't really claim it's nothing to do with her. She's no better than Johnson, Gove et al. She has used the brexit vote as a vehicle to further her political career, and consequences be damned. Now she's trying to shore up her position off the back of racism and xenophobia on the immigration issue (at least she's consistent on that I suppose), and again, consequences be damned.
Funny isn't it how football managers get flak for not doing post-match interviews as it's seen as being part of their job. Obviously that principle doesn't apply to the post of PM.
maybe they will think more carefully about what they need to do and the revolution can start.
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a vacuous power hungry control freak with the charm and communication skills of an aspergic hermit (Elizabeth I is her idol FFS!), and the competence of a middle manager promoted way beyond her ability.
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[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/11/nick-cohen-theresa-may-interview-brexit ]See also Nic Cohen the other week:[/url]
She doesn’t have grand faults, just the standard coding errors you must expect if you install a Thames Valley Tory into your system of government.
Given the hand she's been dealt
Sure it's the hand she picked? No one in their right mind would want to be PM post brexit.
She's an arseclown.
She took over from an arseclown, who used to be in coalition with an arseclown to prevent that other arseclown getting back in.
If you support her, you're an areseclown.
If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a viable alternative to this areseclown, then yes, you are an arseclown.
How many arseclowns is it going to take for people to realise we'd probably be better off without any of them?
Arseclown.
I think you're mistaking reality for the jumble of tabloid headlines, bar-room grumbling and naked spite all rattling round in your head.
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Hardly 🙄 first hand experience of wastage, grumbling and watching the crap those of that ilk do to justify their positions. And those that support them are just as bad , fast way to finding millions if you know the right people , so sure university PFI should be the norm.
Hardly first hand experience of wastage, grumbling and watching the crap those of that ilk do to justify their positions. And those that support them are just as bad , fast way to finding millions if you know the right people , so sure university PFI should be the norm.
Sorry - I don't know what you're talking about.
She may have been dealt a shit hand, but she's certainly making the worst of it.
Sorry - I don't know what you're talking about
I [i]think[/i] Phil likes the idea of PFI, you know, this :
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-credit/crippling-pfi-deals-leave-britain-222bn-in-debt-10170214.html ]Crippling PFI deals leave Britain £222bn in debt[/url]
[b][i]"Treasury data analysis unearths the 'enormous financial disaster' of Private Finance Initiatives"[/i][/b]
She may have been dealt a shit hand, but she's certainly making the worst of it.
We're still in Europe. It could be worse...
Hardly. Cameron's already nailed that honour for eternity.
I suspect May will end up making Cameron look like a a die-hard lefty by the time she's finished.
She basically agreed to eat a shit sandwich as part of the deal to become PM. She's spent 6 months staring at it on her desk, prevaricating etc, but at some point she is going to have to take her first bite and she knows exactly what it will taste like. She will then have to consume the rest of it over the next two years.
Probably why she looks so miserable.
And +1 on the racist bit, she seems to be genuinely unpleasant to boot, so probably deserves the sandwich....
She basically agreed to eat a shit sandwich as part of the deal to become PM. She's spent 6 months staring at it on her desk, prevaricating etc, but at some point she is going to have to take her first bite and she knows exactly what it will taste like. She will then have to consume the rest of it over the next two years.
Another referendum looks like the least bitterest pill to swallow at the moment.
PM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future.
The economy is getting on nicely.
No more referendum on the same issue forever.
The fate of the remainders is sealed.
Hello 2017 !
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PM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future.
Definitely low energy, judging by her interview today
She is doing fine unlike her critics the reminders who are all going in circle chasing their own shadows. That's low-energy. 😆kimbers - Member
Definitely low energy, judging by her interview todayPM May is doing well so should keep on course to better future
Look! As long as she don't dither and buys the beers and supports an Independant Yorkshire she'll be fine. Could you see Corbyn buying a round? Well yes but not until a committee of the brothers has been formed to ensure that all the beer is an equal opportunity brew with hops from a fair trade source and that any yeast have not acted in a facist manor. Bar would be shut and chippy's closed for walk home before he got his hand in his pocket, admirable for a lad born in gods country but not for a bloody comer inner. What's worse he'd never support an Independant Yorkshire, he be ok with them Lancashireites get in an nickin our trails an shaggin our sheep.
From the interview it's clearly a hard Brexit. Taking control of the borders means no single market. Joy. Stockmarket and currency should be hilarious tomorrow
An interesting, different perspective from the Guardian: ESP the penultimate para
BB - short £; long FTSE 100; short FTSE 250
this is what i don't get, whats to negotiate ? hey EU we're out of here, whats the leaving fee (pensions liabities) etc, all the greasy foreigners can go home as of the 1st of April, what you do with the orange brits on the beaches of spain, portugal and greece is entirely upto you. bye.
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From the interview it's clearly a hard Brexit. Taking control of the borders means no single market. Joy. Stockmarket and currency should be hilarious tomorrow
A non-issue at all.
PM May is right in her decision and I support her totally.
Stock market and currency you in there? You might as well invest in Las Vegas. There will be no effect whatsoever but speculators are banging on relying on the remainders to hand it to them on a plate for a big pay check. The more the speculators wind up the low-energy remainders the more they can speculate and the bigger pay check for them. Then speculators gets loads of moneyyy!
Painfully obvious - she is thick as pig s**t and has not got a clue.
Desperate acts to try and retain power - clumsy, stupid, inept she is no Maggie Thatcher (not a fan by the way) Thersea is NOT a conviction politician just another Boris, Gove opportunist - its a shambles - Junker and the boys must be pissing themselves watching her talk absolute bollocks about what the UK wants.
The EU says Non! ****wits as poor people pay extra for food and fuel they talk absoloute shite.
I admire Chewkw's commitment to the cause. Thersa and Nigel must be so proud...
Why does hard brexit need "cards close to chest" ? What's to be gained from the EU dropping straight into WTO conditions ? It's all bollox! (I know it's not spelt with an "x") (prize to anyone who knows that comedy ref 😉 )
Boardinbob Chewkw is a shining light for the Brexit Right, no doubt they will offer him up as an example.....
No more referendum on the same issue forever.
Now even you that's impossible to say.
I admire Chewkw's commitment to the cause. Thersa and Nigel must be so proud...
You mean......?!! NOW I see.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38546820
Yip, hard Brexit.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
But hey, no more brown people eh?
But hey, no more [s]brown people[/s] muslims eh?
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Wrong thread but I'm beginning to think a 'hard' brexit as it's being called is the best we can hope for, as opposed to a chaotic brexit where we walk away with nothing agreed, no deals, and nothing but WTO rules and international law to fall back on.