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She won't give a shit about winding up the English voters - quite the contrary
She'd only be winding up half of them anyway.
And as I say, BJ et al have a handy get out of jail free card.
They'd put up a token fight but then concede that's what the law says...
brian taylors analysis just there, on ssunday politics, on it was slightly less alarmist (from a leave perspective).
So if Holyrood has a veto does this mean that the only way for E&W to leave the EU is for them to leave the UK first, leaving Scotland as the Continuity UK still in the EU as an existing member.
Result!
So if Holyrood has a veto does this mean that the only way for E&W to leave the EU is for them to leave the UK first, leaving Scotland as the Continuity UK still in the EU as an existing member.Result!
I mentioned this option a couple times yesterday, surprised it hasn't been mentioned in any of the Scottish media I have seen as an option to pursue.
She'd only be winding up half of them anyway.
only the half that's thick as shit, so it's ok.
[quote=dannybgoode ]Breaking news-Sturgeon saying that Holyrood has power of veto over the UK leaving. Not sure why or how but given she's been chatting to her mates in Brussels maybe there's a rabbit in a hat somewhere.
A genius idea if she can pull it off. Westminster doesn't have to make a difficult call and can blame the nasty scots, she doesn't have to call a risky referendum-win win
Nicola is getting a bit carried away with the power she now perceives she has. This one came up yesterday - it seems that what she is basing this on is that the Scotland Act contains a provision incorporating EU law into Scottish law, and that devolution legislation requires the consent of the Scottish Parliament to repeal or modify it.
What she seems to be missing though is that refusing to remove that provision from the Scotland Act would not in any way prevent the UK from leaving the EU. It would mean that Scotland would still be bound by EU law if she sees some advantage in that. But as devolved legislation it wouldn't mean that England (and Wales and NI, though they have similar provisions in their own devolution legislation) was still bound by EU law and it certainly wouldn't mean that the UK or even Scotland was still a member of the EU with all the advantages (and disadvantages?) that brings. It certainly wouldn't keep the grant money flowing, or the trade free.
So she's overstepped the mark here - it's not a power of veto in any real sense. I did look into this quite a bit myself, but I'm also relying on the opinions of real lawyers who have commented on this. Not because I don't want her to veto Brexit - on the contrary I looked into it because it appeared it might be a cunning ruse where Westminster wouldn't be required to ignore the referendum result to avoid invoking article 50.
It's not a veto power, I doubt anyone is daft enough to believe that, well after last week there is mind, but still, it may not be what it's made out to be, but that's not really what it's for, it's more a statement of intent, which I guess is that people should prepare to get this tied up in the courts. It's a card to play.
In otherwords, it's politics. She's not missing anything.
[quote=seosamh77 ]It's a card to play.
It's the 2 of clubs.
The 2 of clubs can beat a pair of aces.
plus I doubt very much if they do have a legal route, the are about to wave it in the face of anyone and give them a heads about about it and reveal all the details..
Unsure if we need a General election right now, but I do feel if any of the politicians was found to be lying at any point in this Referendom then they should not be able to return to politics
The Germans are being very positive about Scotland at the moment.
tbh Scotland in the UK and the EU is a great position to be in. I would be happy with it. It would need to mean even less interference from westminster, and you would imagine there would be massive opportunities for jobs growth etc.igm - Member
The Germans are being very positive about Scotland at the moment.
A border to the south? meh, hardly something worth caring about if the english want to put one up, batter in.
A border to the south? meh, hardly something worth caring about if the english want to put one up, batter in.
As a South Londoner I can't figure out if you mean you want to share some pancakes with the English or that's fighting talk.
I hate to stereotype but coming from a Scotsman I'm going to stick my neck out and say fighting talk?
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