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Great Spring skiing a few days before Spring starts today.
As for first aid and treating kids, teachers can't do much apart from call a doctor or take the kid to a doctor. You see it works the other way around, teachers aren't allowed to give out drugs or treat kids for injuries because they are not trained or qualified to do so. Anything requiring more than antiseptic cream or pills for period pains, and it's off to the doctor.
Edit: the slightest thing wrong with junior and I got a call to come and collect him whether at the nounou or later at school. I had to sign a document to say they could pack him off to hospital without my agreement in the case of an emergency.
Only cost me 65 Euros for 5hrs of 1-1 skiing,
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Bargain!
65 Euros for 5hrs of 1-1 skiing, great bloke,
*sends an e-mail with a link to this thread to the "inspection de travail"*
To be fair groups would normally be up to I think it's 6 or 8 people, but I wasnt complaining!
@Ed, thanks for that. I understand there are plenty of regs etc. that you must find frustrating at times. I suppose my only concern was that there was nothing available, just for immediate attention in the case of something going wrong. It's entirely possible I'm overreacting of course, but that'd be par for the course with me. 🙂
DD, nice summary, the Val Thorens / Les Meneuires resorts are the budget ones and the buildings reflect that. they tend to try and attract a younger crowd who are not fussed about Alpine charm and are more interested in good snow high up and budget prices. Club Med are investing a lot in the rebuild of their VT place, looks like it will be nice and great for early / late holidays. I always call VT "Ice Station Zebra" after one of the coldest days skiing I've ever had back in the 1980's
For 3 valleys I think Meribel is best overall,move had some great holidays there, I like Courcheval too but stopped going when it got more expensive than Verbier and dominated by Russian money. Being in Meribel means you can explore the whole area reasonably easily if you wish, it is indeed huge
plenty of regs etc. that you must find frustrating at time
Not really, DD, they just seem normal, and we live without some really silly ones I read about on this forum. 8)
Val Tho' doesn't so much appeal to a particular age group as a type of skier/boarder. The "doers".
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Pictures from the Scottish Slopestyle Competition on Saturday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-31904269
Hard to believe thats in Scotland!
I always call VT "Ice Station Zebra" after one of the coldest days skiing I've ever had back in the 1980's
😀 Everyone's got one!
Sauze D'Oulx, about six years ago or so. Was something like -25c before the windchill factor. Got stuck on a lift for about ten minutes. With the crotch vents on my trousers undone. Freezynadgers! The day before, when we landed at Turin, it was clear and sunny, but the air was so cold that any moisture in it would freeze in front of you. Strangely beautiful watching the rainbow crystals forming in the air.
Was pretty cold on one day at Bridger the other week, around -20c, IIRC. Just didn't have the same biting chill of that day in Sauze!
I appear to have invested in some Salomon Shoguns in 182 flava.
Any experiences anyone? Ad stated 2 weeks of use and they do look immaculate in the pics. My monsters , which I love , are beyond economical repair so will be keeping them for Scotland and Butser hill.
Pics!
Everyone's got one!
Yep. 😀
Sat on a stopped T-Bar with a mate on the Hintertuxer glacier in Mayrhofen. Must have been around 16 years ago I reckon. Howling wind, nowhere we could go to escape, as we could see two fifths of **** all anyway. We sat there for around the longest 5 minutes of our lives - I'm pretty sure we both cried with the cold. Just texted my mate to ask "Can you remember the coldest you've ever been?" The response was "Yes, and you weren't much ****ing help!" which reminds me, that he was shielding me from the worst of it so must have been even colder. 😆
Me too.
Up Cairngorm. -20, but with thick fog that froze on contact. Plus the wind chill. Coat was frozen solid, made a weird cracking sound, and shed ice every time I moved.
Normal for Scottish Land apparently.
We had a great time. Happy days 😀
Bloody snowboarders!
Sauze D'Oulx Flashy....if you were going for a Boys trip for four nights would you drive past the aforementioned to get to Serre Chev?
Candide Thovex's film "Few Words" is now available free on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/v/cpi2fc5vfNs
Oooh will watch that later on a bigger screen.
OMG....just watch a minute from 8mins. Astounding!
Yikes.
Wow...lucky guy. Where'd he rent those skis????
He got them in a deal on sports pursuit.
Rockape63 - Member
Sauze D'Oulx Flashy....if you were going for a Boys trip for four nights would you drive past the aforementioned to get to Serre Chev?
Apologies, hadn't spotted this earlier!
Right...here goes!
Sauze is better for;
Boozing it up at the Village and other bars in the village. Still got a lot of the faded apres-glamour (?) of the late 80s heyday of the place as a real ski-party town. It's good for a laugh!
The pizza at the Orso Bianco.
Serre Che is better for;
The skiing. Hands down better. Waaaay better, in fact.
The food overall. Apart from the place at the top of the Frejus bubble which is truly awful.
Lots of nice places for a few quiet beers with friends.
So, if you want to do more drinking, go to Sauze. More skiing, go to Serre Che.
Haven't skied in Monty, but it's between the two and always looks good when we drive through. Odd to see the main road going over/under the pistes, though!
That's good to know. Thinking about the location of the boys' (and me) trip next year and thinking of heading somewhere via Turin.
Even Candide's parents are cool.
I'm off to Sälen in Sweden for part 3 of this winter. 15 cm of snow predicted before I arrive which should freshen it all up nicely . Otherwise it's springtime so should be nice and slushy for practicing tricks. Hoping to get my sun on and get a face tan
In one week's time I shall be driving to the airport for my first and only trip this year.
Damn you school holidays.
Did any of you boys out in Whistler see the fantastic Northern lights, Tuesday I think?
Pretty good stuff still to do in Scotland:
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All off the south Sheil ridge today which incidentally is also pretty good on a bike
Did any of you boys out in Whistler see the fantastic Northern lights, Tuesday I think?
Missed them unfortunately, but some stunning photos were doing the rounds.
We've had a few new snow falls over the last couple of days. 17cm a couple of days ago and 6cm last night. I ended up taking the day off work and riding with the boss. The off piste areas which had been in horrible condition recently are all riding pretty well now. Spankys, Couloir extreme, the cirque, flute bowl were all filled in with nice bit of powder. Cracking day.
Top of Spanky's Ladder looking back towards the lift.
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Top of Spanky's looking towards the bowls.
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The Grey Zone
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For anyone in the Castleford area who might want new goggles, Protekzone at Xscape have 40% off Oakley - possibly other stuff too, I didn't check.
I got a pair of Airbrakes with the jade Prizm lens for £132, which seemed reasonable as they fit both my face and my helmet (unlike the Anons they are replacing). Boxed with spare dark grey lens, bag and soft case thing (it's a kind of stiff fabric bag - I don't have a better description).
Not that much left, but worth a look if you want something.
Nedrapier: can't wait now!!! 18 days to Lyngen Alps. Wooooo HOOOOOO!
So... back in the office today.. time for my Whistler report.
In short: disappointing.
In long: well we knew the conditions were going to be pretty crappy before we went, but it was really pretty dire. I heard several people refer to it as the worst season in 20 years and I believe them. There was only cannon-generated snow to well past mid-mountain and even that didn't hold up to the incessant rain. This was Blackcomb base near the end of the trip:
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Up top it was much better, but still just a very thin covering over a fairly thin and scratchy icy base.
We did get a couple of reasonable dumps on the higher ground, but they were accompanied by heavy low-cloud zero-viz days (there should be a mountain in the top of that photo!). Plus the sheer compression of people on one section of the mountain, all desperate for snow, meant that anything accessible got tracked out very quickly.
Cat Boarding didn't happen - the operator shut up shop for the season due to conditions. They did offer us seats on the heli - but over a thousand bucks for five runs in pretty mediocre conditions was just too much for us tight-fisted Scots.
And to add to our fun, we got ill. Coughing our guts up, with one of my two companions opting to go the extra mile and develop it into pneumonia which took him out the game for most of the holiday. 🙁
Oh and my brand new red breeks got ripped (as did my leg) when some lass span out in front of me and put the edge of her snowboard through my shin.
Still, there were a [i]few[/i] high points:
- the first day we got some proper snow, riding up the chairlift and watching people wooping and hollering as they tore up every inch really made me smile.
- the few good runs of off piste freshies that we did manage to grab
- doing the Blackcomb glacier loop, which was scenic if not very snowy.
- the fearless birds feeding out our hands while we were in the lift line
- the scenery and views which were still just as stunning
- waitresses and Spring Breakers which were just as stunning
- much drunken nonsense and banter with good friends
- doing the bobsleigh run at Whistler Sliding Centre (another activity ticked on the bucket list)
Not a dead loss, but not quite what we had been hoping for. I've started trying to convince MrsGrahamS that I should be allowed to go to Japan next year to make up for it 😀
Graham, I had a similar experiance. Dream holiday cat and heli with my Dad in BC. 5 days at red mountain good conditions, day 1 cat skiing, heavy cloud, deep heavy snow. First night, torrential rain, all night. Next morning, green everywhere. We still skied but not the hip deep powder I had been dreaming of. It just meant I had to go back (twice).
Graham, guy I was speaking to yesterday reckoned the worst he'd had in 40 years. Previous years have had similarly low amounts of snow fall but not as much rain.
Really sorry to hear that GrahamS but as you say Japan could well make up for it. Get an insane one piece powder suit to replace your trousers and get ready for next year!
I should be allowed to go to Japan next year to make up for it
Seems like Japan is one of the few places that has had an awesome season this year!
Pleased you managed to take some positives out of your trip in what many are describing as the worse season in B.C. in living memory!
I've just got back from 3 weeks in the Alps which, despite some poor and challenging conditions [for this time of year], more than made up for the earlier 'wash-out' trip to Fernie.
So, not quite the epic 6 weeks on the snow that I had in mind, but I got to ride some of my best lines ever and had a real laugh!
... I'm also seriously considering Japan for my 50th!
Thanks for the sympathies. Sorry to drag the thread down.
Feels a bit churlish to moan when I still had a good time and many folk aren't getting away at all this year.
So going back to the previous conversation about Scottish conditions (and drones) did anyone see this rather lovely footage of the Ledge Route on Nevis:
Did you see that Ben Briggs skied Ledge Route?
Did you see that Ben Briggs skied Ledge Route?
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Another cheeky photo from Monday. Fresh lines descending the grey zone down to Crystal Chair. (Sorry Graham)
No worries whatnobeer, just glad you are getting some.
We didn't spend much time on Blackcomb as the snow there seemed worse than Whistler mountain.
Having knowledge of the "secret" areas seems to help 😀
Well there'd be no point in "secret" areas that were rubbish now would there?
Edit: 😉
Ok someone was skiing in a tweed suit, shirt and tie today.
Am I allowed to ask if it was someone on here?
Flashy maybe?
Did he have a monocle? I always imagine Flashy with a monocle. And probably a fob watch.
Anyone know who the UK Salomon importer is? I need some z12 binding parts as the @@@@@@ who sold me the Shoguns omitted the fact the bindings have death cracks in the placcy bolt holes.
tvm
rob
@singletrackmind.
Salomon UK Customer Service is probably your best bet.
Tel no is +44 20 7078 3528 (Local call, Monday to Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.)
Just back from an amazing late season week in Sainte Foy.
was a family job this with young kids so only found 3 or 4 hours a day to ski but a wonderful time was had by all. sledging and snowmen with the brats in the mornings, then ski all afternoon while they were in lessons/creche. ugly patches of brown earth separated the pistes low down but on piste was fine, slushy but better than ice. Higher up however was perfect and still loads of off pisteing available. we had a mixture of foggy days and flag crackers but never cold or windy. woke up to fresh powder on 3 mornings too, not masses but enough to create the landscape and freshen up the runs. never felt restricted by the number of runs either, but mileage wasnt really the agenda. we could all get the Marquise lift up, a group of very mixed abilities, then all bomb down whichever way we fancied, some blue, some red, some off piste and all meet back at the bottom. not much happening of an evening in Sainte Foy but we were catered chalet anyway which was also bang on! top holiday.
Singletrackmind: Amer distribute for Salomon in the UK.
Phone +44 1276 404 800
La Plagne has had 45cm of new snow in the last 24hrs!
Hi all, went to Norwegian/Swedish border last week. Brilliant conditions at the moment with around 40cm new snow a few days ago. Empty off piste and plus degrees made for a great trip . Friend and I built a cool little jump out the back of out chalet and practised flips . Loads of fun with soft landings . Spring is the best for Snowboarding for sure !
A view from last week...
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And another! 😀
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Easyjet flights for Jan & Feb 2016 now on sale. Geneva here we come! Now to decide on a resort...
Getting lots of photos from people skiing at the moment (esp around Les Arcs), excellent conditions. My house guest last night is a Verbier resident and he said its looking like a corking last 4 weeks of the season there.
EDIT: Just seen @nbt posted this last week but its good enough to repeat !
Anyway having watched the Candide Thovex short posted here a month of so back (leaping over skiers and jumping into the lift station) last night we watched this whole film (60 mins) - its from 2012 but just made available for free, one line made me smile as after a big crash Candide decided to cut back on the jumping - if you watch the film you'll see what he classifies as cutting back !
Apparently Whitelines and Onboard magazines are now digital-only, as are all Factory Media mags (including Ride and Dirt).
http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/news-14490.html
Went to the Igloo bar above Avoriaz today. I forget who recommended it but thanks it was great.
And there's snow promised overnight into tomorrow.
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Thought this was funny 🙂
Got back from Les Gets last night.
Excellent week with every sort of snow - slush, rainy slush, ice, frosty in the morning and soft by lunch spring snow and (unbelievably) fresh snow. I was actually leaving fresh tracks down the side of the piste on Thursday and Friday - which as I sat on the lift showed how much cleaner my toe side turns are than my heal side (another lesson or two needed methinks)
Les Gets was very quiet and the runs accordingly spacious. Avoriaz much busier and a little overcrowded at times. Morzine was green and spring like.
The Berghaus Goretex shell was worth every penny as were the Dakine Totan gloves but I've decided I prefer my old Flow bindings to the Now IPOs I took - comfort counts.
Now any recommendations for good quality trousers for a decidedly average slowboarder? Goretex shells any good, or is some insulation needed? More difficult to layer legs.
Now any recommendations for good quality trousers
Not sure what budget is, but I bought some Westbeach cockalorums at a knockdown price in the sale last year and they had their first outings in March - great pair of slacks. Never felt too hot or cold - good venting options and plenty of storage. I imagine in colder weather, they might benefit from a pair of long johns underneath. I've never really been let down by any Westbeach stuff I've bought.
Paging Captain Flashheart
Any general feedback/advice for Big Sky would be much appreciated.
Think this may be the destination for a big trip next season. We've got Avios points to burn.
An almost brilliant end to the kids first season on planks.
Glorious sunshine on Cairngorm, which equated to sticky end of season slushy snow.
Miss J's mid afternoon run down the snake resulted in a tumble which did for her right tibia 🙁
Ski patrol were fantastic in getting her off the hill and bundled off to Craigmore A&E.
Hopefully I'll be taking her home tomorrow. Fingers crossed that 8 year olds heal quickly.
@geoff sorry to hear that, healing vibes
@howsyourdad - yes indeed a very lucky boy. The intro sounded like a disaster waiting to happen with big snowfall after a long warm period and risk 4/5. The slope itself did look pretty shallow however and the Avalanche stayed "light" and not compressed and brick like. A sobering lesson for us all. The guy has a second birthday, 30/1/2015
Firstly, sympathy for Miss J. We have an 8 year old too, skiing mad but lucky enough to avoid injury so far. Heal well.
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And now... Is interest here slowly melting away?
Well without getting too slushy over it, it's been another great thread and you guys have been wonderful - just the best.
(Bet I get a frosty reception for that last one - but maybe opinion will soften somewhat later on)
Thanks Flashy - too early for the 2015/16 thread?
Yes! Too early!
Piemonster, apologies for missing your question above. I'll pen a proper detailed reply when back on a laptop!
Now then......As the season is almost over, let's have your season's;
Highlight
Low light
and...what have you learned
Highlight - going past the sound barrier through Norwegian trees (the sound barriers about 30mph right?)
Low light - Only 2 weeks of skiing. Life is cruel.
and...what have you learned - Many things from instructors. Ski like a Gorilla.
It needs to stay open until I've edited the video from my trip! So, possibly middle of next season...
Highlight - Holmbuktinden - from the sea to 1666m and back. Saw no-one but the 3 of us, every type of snow including the good types, used both sets of crampons, ice axe up and down, amazing weather, amazing views.
Lowlight, Norweigian air pilots' strike and assoc. travel ballache. (Or actually, hearing from my brother on my way back that he was splitting up with his wife.)
What I've learnt: Verts are amazing for stomping up couloirs, but you can't rely on just a tight strap to keep them both on your back if you stack on the way down. Single Vert with voile pucks seeks similar...
Highlights
Our eight year old getting bumped up a class in ski school and passing it (clean parallels on reds, so it's off piste and clean parallels on blacks to pass next year - and only one more class after that).
Realising we had to beat said 8 year old's class back to the bottom of we wanted to see the badges handed out and finding I was faster than I though on a board.
Fresh snow piste side and sunshine to go with on our last day.
My wife and I getting to ride our boards down a blue accompanied by our highly competent 8 year old and our just starting out 4 year old. I have never travelled so slowly or with such a big grin
Lowlights
The cost of family skiing holidays means one week a year (however I have a plan for that).
Ripping the crotch of my salopettes.
Accidentally totalling a skier who decided to come in from my blind side and stop dead in front of me. Both fine, but both a little shaken.
Oh and what have I learnt?
The bus from Les Gets to Avoriaz takes 42 minutes including changing in Montriond. We were at the Ardent lift by 0946.
Thanks Jambalaya and IGM
We have her home now with leg up and minecraft on so the recuperation can begin,
Hilights - getting back on skis after 20 years for me and a couple of amazing blue sky days at Cairngorm and Glenshee.
And of course, watching the kids progress from pizza and chips to getting some air over the period of about 10 ski days.
Low - see above 🙁
All revved up and ready for a full on season next year though. Need to book the foreign trip and consider the winter pitch at Glenmore for Cairngorm too.
PS for those who did watch the mountain, Colin (ops1), Ian (ops2) and Jo (the one who was reluctant with the heli training) are true professionals!
Highlight - Skiing again after an 8 year absence caused by nothing other than too much adventure racing in the winter meaning I was busy and/or not able to hurt myself! That feeling of nice open turns, skiing through chopped up spring snow *just* as it changes ahhhhh took me back to my years teaching and patrolling
Lowlight - I only managed 3 days
Next highlight - family holiday next winter to the Alps 🙂
Nice idea on the highlights etc. it's not over yet though! I have one more weekend planned in Norway at the end of April for the penultimate weekend of the season.
So far though , highlight was going with my wife to Norway and having three days snowboarding , child free. We had very good snow so she really got into tree runs having previously been very nervous . Seeing her really enjoying it was fantastic.
Lowlight was having the squits on the family holiday meaning we were all trapped in the chalet in Norway. It was dumping with snow whilst we were inside dumping, constantly. I am sure we will look back at it with great amusement, given time
I learned longish 'lazy' backflips after trying to nail them for two years. Rad!
Another highlight..,
My wife taking her board into the soft stuff piste side. Deliberately. And coming back grinning.
[i]Highlight:[/i]
Glacier Marbree
(although Giachetti couloir in Alagna/Gressoney was a close 2nd)
[i]Low light:[/i]
Heavy Rain in Fernie washing the snow and my dreams into the Elk River
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and...what have you learned:[/i]
That my snowboarding 'journey' is far from over ...
Highlight : a second-hand snowboard, boots and bindings at 65€ for a very happy seven year old daughter.
Lowlight : her not being able to use it yet.
Next highlight : Les 2 Alpes for a week starting on Saturday for our now traditional end of season celebration.
Good work so far, folks! (Mine to follow shortly!)
Piemonster, re Big Sky;
As mentioned, I didn't actually go there in the end, but spoke to a lot of locals about it both before and while I was over at Bridger Bowl.
From what I could gather from the locals....
The plus side;
Massive ski area. Rare in size for a US resort, making it feel a lot more like a European/alpine resort.
The bowls off Lone Mountain. Meant to be some great lift accessed lunacy. Double Blacks, which are sort of in-bounds off piste.
Tree line - Good skiing when the weather closes in.
The bad;
Expensive. OK, so these comments were from hardcore Bridger folks, but it's not cheap!
Big. Odd, I know, but some people said they found it almost too big for a couple of days skiing. I think that may be something those of us blessed with big Euro alpine resorts will disagree with!
Food on the hill - Also expensive, and not brilliant. Again, may be wrong expectations there!
That aside, it sounded really good overall. I'd certainly include it in a road trip. Oh, and if you're there, you have to go to Bridger! The Ridge is insane. Bradleys Meadow is a delight. And the rest of it is just good clean (cheap!) fun.
Also, re flights, the best route I've found for Bozeman that's Avios friendly is LHR to Seattle, then a longish layover before an Alaskan flight to BZN. No points on the connection, but Alaskan are good, and as they have a code share internally with American, you may get nicely treated if you're BA Gold (I always get to pick the best seat on the plane, which I suspect is linked!).
If you do go, let me know, will point you towards some ace places to eat and drink in Bozeman. It's a superb town, truly superb!
Now then;
Highlight - Getting back on the snow, and doing it in another continent. AND on a work trip!
Lowlight - Not being able to get up to explore the Ridge at Bridger. Was skiing solo, and didn't want to risk anything too silly with jet lag. Looked incredible.
What have I learned? That you don't forget little skills you were taught. A couple of years away didn't blunt my skillz! Still very much an intermidiot, but it was just great to get to use all the little things Petit Paul has taught me over the years.
Highlights: 1st ski season in a resort. Improving my skiing a huge amount from being a bit freaked out by the Canadian grading and uncomfortable on some of the blue runs to being happy heading to the ungroomed double blacks. Learning to ski powder.
Lowlights: The worst ski seasons in terms of snowfall in the last 40 years. Only a handful of powder days and not as many days on the hill as I'd of liked when I 1st arrived.
What I've learned: A huge amount, everything from better posture and technique when skiing to what I need to do to my body to allow full use of it on the hill. And apart from technique based stuff discovering some of the "secret" off piste at Whistler has been great when the conditions allowed it.
Learnt I dont turn right as well as i turn left.
Lesson showed too much upper body momentum without waiting for the ski to engage and connect .
Like a Jedi mtb trick , the lesson taught showed greater results on the next[s]bike ride[/s] ski holiday.
Guides are worth it if you want to ski off piste safely
2 weeks isnt enough each year
Oh, and Piemonster, also worth noting that the locals swear by the snow record at Bridger being better than Big Sky. Something to do with the way the bowl faces creating it's own snow.