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Another lift faller!
How many times do you think the lifty said, "Oh, putain!"
😆
Never that bad on a captive T-bar, but I remember my first go on a flick and go old school poma; after getting fired up the slope on my posterior 3 times I got the piste map out and looked for a chair I could go down to.
Yes I was on a snowboard (knackered knees mean no skiing for a long time).
He needs a chum to go up with.
'T' bars aarrgghh, not a fan here. It's also one of the reasons I ski.
Back in the day when bumbags were the 'must have item', my friend got the 't' bar caught on it and was lifted up to quite a height at the exit point. Her boyfriend had to run up a steep bank of snow and unhook her, she was wailing and legs flailing around, t'was very funny at the time.
Also seen quite few people end up flying backwards down steep lift tracks after getting off too early.
Edit: At least the poor chap wasn't on the 'pingy, boingy' poma in Serre Che.
Brilliant video! Lots of laughs here. Poor sod - I hate, hate, hate drag lifts! Luckily there weren't any in Les Arcs this year but lots in Kreischberg.
Oh, and I guess that's another reason the tray boys have reinforced trouser bottoms 😆
Lol at wallop - yes, he'll definitely be needing a cushion at dinner.
Edit: At least the poor chap wasn't on the 'pingy, boingy' poma in Serre Che.
Mickey used to go off at a rate of knots, but has been calmed down in recent years.
Pre du Bois is still awful (And I avoid it whenever possible!)
Or did you mean one of the ones up above Frejus? Barres, Cretes or Clote/Mea?
Hammerite - it will cost you ALOT!
Don't get me wrong if jnr enjoys it they will get a lot out and become a fantastic skier! I raced for a few years and my skiing went up that step from advanced skier to the next level. All my friends thy I used to race with were alot better though as they had been doing it from a younger age.
It is very expensive though. As they progress you'll be looking at multiple pairs of skis per season, lots of money on training, training camps, races etc.
I wish I had done it earlier though!
Flashy - It's a good few years since I was last in Serre Che, so can't recall the location.
Just remember 2 really bad pomas, that whisked you high in the air the moment the light went green. Very amusing for people in the queue, not so good for the poor newbies. As you'll know it's wearing after several attempts.
Brilliant videos, the first time I came across a t-bar I was terrified, only just down the road from the first video (Soll) we were in Ellmau.
Thanks Crispo. The thoughts of the training sessions being £21.50 is bad enough! Although that's pretty good for 2hrs at MK with coaching. If Jnr is dedicated though I think we can manage it even with kit and away training weeks, it's needing a load of kit to start with that bothers me just in case he decides it's not for him.
Can't quite figure out how that guy on the board gets it so wrong but then keeps trying exactly the same thing. Again and again.
I found myself shouting "Why are you leaning forward AGAIN you muppet?!?" 🙂
If your starting off at Xscape then I would have thought you can use rental stuff to begin with. Depending on his age though he should soon progress onto seeing a big improvement with his own gear!
Bunny, I think those may have been Clotes/Mea, a parallel pair of lifts up by the awesome cruisy greens and blues. Seem to remember that they had quite the kick when I first went to Serre Che.
Thanks Crispo
the first time I came across a t-bar I was terrified, only just down the road from the first video (Soll) we were in Ellmau.
I learnt to ride in Scotland. Sproingy pomas and carrier-launch-catapult t-bars were second nature by the time I was holidaying in Soll and Ellmau 😀
I remember the missus sobbing after a dozen failed attempts to get up the Butcharts poma on a board (after mincing about the Beginner Area all morning).
In the end I told her that the only cafe was up there so if she wanted to eat she had to get up it. A barefaced lie - but it worked like a charm (luckily she can't read piste maps!)
Graham - I showed Jnr the T-bar video and it's put him off wanting to try boarding for a bit!
In the end I told her that the only cafe was up there so if she wanted to eat she had to get up it. A barefaced lie - but it worked like a charm (luckily she can't read piste maps!)
*Applauds!*
it's put him off wanting to try boarding for a bit!
*Applauds again!* 😉
Lol. Show hime the "On The Piste" video and you can put him off skiing too.
Think of the money you'll save 😀
😆
AND he'll never want to grow a mullet or get his hair permed!
He's seen the On the Piste too, but he knows how to use drags and chairs with his skis! In fact we went on an identical chair to the Soll one in Reith near Kitzbuhel at Easter. Fast little evil thing that gives you a nasty chop to the back of your leg as it collects you up.
I'm not too fussed about him trying boarding really, but don't fancy all the hanging about we'd have to do while he learns. Although we've said we could do the Austrian all day boarding school thing and just leave him with an instructor all week (every cloud....).
To be honest I'd probably send him down your local snowdome for a few boarding lessons before trying it abroad.
He'll get better one-on-one teaching probably at a cheaper price and you can sit in a comfy warm bar to watch without feeling that you are missing your holiday. 😀
That was another idea. The OH was going to waste some money on a Segway driving experience thing for him as a Christmas present, but a couple of hours snowboarding lesson at MK would cost the same and be more useful.
Definitely. I've watched them do lessons at Xscape (Braehead) and they do seem very good. Slope is small enough that the instructor can see all of it but big enough that you can get a few good turns in. Just make sure you go on a very quiet day if possible so he gets a small group and no idiots flying past.
(I suspect this time of year the lessons are fairly busy)
Yep, mid-summer is (oddly!) the best time to go for lessons in a fridge. Often get some great instructors there as well (as they're often out in resort during the season!)
I think I had my lessons at MK in Nov/Dec ready for a first trip away over New Year.
Last day's photos from the Dolomites:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8346298696/ ]Elephant on the pistes[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Get up early and its empty:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8345245363/ ]Empty Pistes[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Thought about re-enacting 'Where Eagles Dare', but fiancee wasn't so keen...
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8345248155/ ] Lagazuoi Gondola (2762 m)[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8346306130/ ]View from Lagazuoi (2762 m.)[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
I have a thing for wooden huts:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8345254199/ ]Alpine Hut[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
Oooh nice photos.
Don't ever get on a 'T' bar with a newbie sbowboarder (unless you're very experienced), it's not going to end well.
That Gondola gets you up some altitude at a rate of knots. Unless my eyes are playing tricks and thats not a road a thousand feet below?
Great pictures , but looking at your photos I will never visit the Sella Ronda, far too flat.
Yep, Dolomites is 95% flatish Blue runs 🙁
Yep, Dolomites is 95% flatish Blue runs
Very pretty ones, though.
Get to Serre Che next time, eh? 😉
Bunnyhop - Member
Oooh nice photos.
Don't ever get on a 'T' bar with a newbie sbowboarder (unless you're very experienced), it's not going to end well.
Nah. T-bars are far easier than buttons. Except the one at Cairngorm (Day Lodge?) that goes downhill for a bit.
I don't mind buttons too much, you just whip it out from between your legs. What I hate about T bars is that you have to kind of push off to one side - that always unbalances me and I end up falling over!
We didn't find anything really scarily steep when we were in the Dolomites, but didn't find it predominantly flat. The sella Ronda circuit is overhyped, but get away from it we found it great fun. Certainly recommend it to anyone.
Wallop - are you just hooking one side of the T behind your front leg? If so don't you just get off pretty much the same way as a button? Except that you've had the vertical of the T nicely across your body for the trip up.
Not sure what you mean - I ski, so sit on a T bar then push it away to free myself. Is there a better way? 😥
We didn't find anything really scarily steep when we were in the Dolomites, but didn't find it predominantly flat. The sella Ronda circuit is overhyped, but get away from it we found it great fun. Certainly recommend it to anyone.
Personally it's the least interesting resort either of us have been to, I'd recommend it to a beginner, but if you like a good variety of Reds and Blacks, this isn't the resort to go to.
Sorry Wallop misunderstanding. I skied a long time ago, but knees that don't like twisting mean I'm on a board these days. So what I said will make no sense.
As igm is talking about bad knees and boarding I thought I would ask a quick question.
As I have mentioned once or twice I broke my leg at the ankle last year skiing and am still suffering with it. I am going skiing in February and think I will be ok with it. I did learn to board at Tamworth snowdome years ago so could get down the mountain on a tray if need be.
What I'm wondering is, if skiing hurt my ankle too much. Would boarding be easier on it meaning I could still get out? I did board with my current good foot leading so I guess that the bad foot would just follow.
Thanks.
Why is it always the way that it snows just as you leave resort!?
Murphy's law!!
Pet peeve when skiing, skiers that move off from the side of the piste, or whatever part of it, without looking up the hill first!!!!! 😡
I nearly got wiped out a few times, and saw a wipe out where a lady moved off totally oblivious to who and what was around her, when me and another guy who were fairly close to her went shooting past and she was forced off the slope and crashed herself lol! Served her right I was thinking. I'm just back from a cracking week in Champagny, snow could have been better but the sun was cracking!
OK, my mum has finally admitted she needs to get herself some custom fitted ski boots, she can't imagine not skiing in pain which has to change! Sooo what boot fitters in London would the STW crew recommend? I had a really good experience with ProFeet, and I would highly recommend them, but wanted to see what the vast majority here think!
Michael, try JP at Snow and Rock in Covent Garden. Best to go on a week day, though. V busy at weekends. He's a very good fitter.
Not sure who's fitting at High St Ken now that Neil and Chris have left, they did superb work on mine and Mrs CFH's boots.
So, JP at Covent Garden, or else a trip to Chertsey, see if you can get either Jonny or Colin to fit if you're there.
Never tried ProFeet, but seem to get mixed reviews (As many do!), but have heard v good things about both Finches and Solutions4Feet (In Bicester)
Anyone going to Tignes or Val next weekend? Never met anyone from STW and thought it might be a laugh to try and meet up for a run or 2......
CFH - any ideas on boots for dinky feet, I need 21.5 and got no joy at my local ski shop or Ellis Brigham Covent Garden, in fact EB were so uninterested it was funny. I got asked if I was sure that was my size, at 42yrs old I replied yes, they stopped growing decades ago 🙂
Going to Tignes the weekend after.
ANy recommendations for off-piste at Tignes / Espace Killy? I have been snowboarding for ~12 years so most routes shouldn't be a problem. I have found [url= http://pistehors.com/backcountry/wiki/Savoie/Tignes-Off-Piste ]this website[/url]
Remember my comments about Go-Pro users? Well, last week the conditions were really dodgy. You know, 20cms of fresh on verglas and the isotherm going up. Not the conditions to do a run down an avalanche-prone couloir to post on Youtube. Just the go-Pro mind, no ARVA or RECCO reflector (a lot cheaper than a Go-Pro). Somebody filming their own death is tragic in every sense of the word. [url= http://www.larepubliquedespyrenees.fr/2013/01/04/avalanche-mortelle-il-y-a-eu-plusieurs-imprudences,1112093.php ]La République[/url]
Edit: so sorry, no off-piste suggests for Tignes. However, the slack-country run back to Tignes from the glacier is excellent and relatively safe.
ANy recommendations for off-piste at Tignes / Espace Killy?
[url= http://www.lockwoods.com/editions-vamos--vald-isere-and-tignes--off-piste/prod_803.html ]Tignes off piste guidebook[/url]
CFH - any ideas on boots for dinky feet, I need 21.5 and got no joy at my local ski shop or Ellis Brigham Covent Garden, in fact EB were so uninterested it was funny.
If you're in London, try a trip out to S&R in Chertsey. They have a great range of kiddie boots in.
Salomon X3, Fischer Vacuum? Both come in a 22, which could work with some shaping/custom moulding. Proper bling boots, but you may find the flex, being designed for ickle people, may be too soft. Unless you're also very ickle yourself! 🙂
michaelmcc - Ah yes, the code of skiing seems to be ignored by most people who think they don't need lessons. Imo, it's just a courtesy to make sure no one is coming along before you set off. Also snowboarders sitting in the middle of the piste, just under the brow of a hill, alo dangerous.
One last thing please be careful even riding off piste at the side of a piste. We saw an avalance 2 seasons ago in La Plagne. It wiped out some very experienced racers (aged 16 and under), they were training with their 2 coaches and one was seriously injured (coma) and the other one spent a couple of nights in hospital. The emergency services were amazing, however it was sobering to watch it all unfold. I was physically shaking for ages after. At the time we were on a chairlift and powerless to do anything. Only at the top could we alert the lift chap to send out extra help, although the coaches involved were onto their radios straight away.
I've only ever seen 2 avalances in my life and both took out some skiers.
Thanks Flashy, I'll have a look. As you said the problem with kids boots is that they're made for lighter people. Nearly 5' 3" but with stupidly small feet .....
i did try a salomon race boot and I could flex it to the point that the plastic was digging in the front of my ankle
Nearly 5' 3"
Shortarse! 😉
Another option (But not cheap!) would be going custom - http://www.dalebootusa.com/products.html
Salomon do the X3 in a 110 flex, starting at a 22. Not sure who stocks that, though. As before, proper fitting/bumpers/footbed/moulding etc would make a boot like that really work, I'd say.
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Agreed
A flex rating of 110 without a custom fit liner or footbed might be nightmarish. The stiffness would transmit all sorts of pain to your sole. If your only 5'3~ then you can probably get away with a softer boot, weight and leverage have an effect on flex
Off piste in Tignes?
Lots on the way down to La Daille in the trees, cant remember much else. Good run down behind the eye of the needle if it snows too.
Just booked a week in Serre Chevalier for w/c Sat 9th March 🙂
CFH, your recommendations for my New York trip were spot-on, so let's hope they are for skiing as well 😆
No pressure then...! 😯
I've typed it all before, but always willing to provide more Serre Che tips if need be! Where are you staying?
CFH - Have you off pisted or toured at Serre? I'm thinking about driving out to alps in my easter hols (28th March to 14th April).
Haven't decided on a venue. To your knowledge is Serre good for those activities at those times?
OP and Slack rather than Tour, to be honest. There's loads of the former and masses of the latter. Some of the runs through the treeline are astonishing.
That time of year, I'm afraid to say that almost all the OP will be tracked out, slack even more so. Unless there's been a big dump of fresh of course.
That said, La Grave is just up the road......
I'd say that Serre Che may be a little low down for touring that late season, though. The pistes are so well maintained it's almost untrue, and late season skiing there is a joy in the sunshine and blue skies, but once you're off the beaten track, it may be a little rough. Bear in mind that Serre Che gets a LOT of sunshine.
We're in Chantemerle (following your recommendations again), staying at chalet Les Marmottes.
The address is "22, Rue du centre" - so my rudimentary French says that's pretty central then 😉
I know that this is the eternal question, but will the snow still be OK in March? Seems like most of the skiing's above 2000m, so my experiences in Tignes in March say it should be fine - agreed?
Don't really contribute to this thread as in Canada and mainly ski the back country but very pleased with this photo. If anybody is coming over to Canada though will be happy to answer any questions. We've not had much snow for a couple of weeks but the forecast for this coming week is more promising.
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Proutster, in March, you'll find that it gets HOT! As in, seeking out shade to keep cool. That said, the pistes tend to hold up very well, apart from those on the Briancon side which get pretty bare pretty early.
Best bet is to get up first lift, blat down the Alphand while it's pisted and empty, and then stay high, above the Serre Ratier level, and (looking at the map!) anywhere from the Prorel lift to the right. Monetier end of the valley can get icy towards the end of the day, but still a nice challenge. Then simply download on the Bletonet lift at the end of the day (Unless there's been some fresh, in which case cruise the Briance green and intersperse with more Alphand!) Then, beer or pastis at La Terrasse!
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You're a little way down the road from the main lift centre, but a nice flat walk. If you can, get a ski locker at the foot of the Bletonet. Then have coffee with Sandrine while doing your boots up!
Spin,
what sort of 'touring' are you after? Day hits?, 1/2 day hits? multi-day? I'm nearby ish (Grenoble) and mainly interested in ski de rando but use the pistes for technique improvements (still a long way to go and most people would think I'm mad to ski away form the pistes with my skills, but I've approached it form a mountaineer perspective who is learning to ski rather than the other way.
There's plenty of Ski de Rando around the Serre Che area, but less so from the resort itself. Domes de Monestier is the one that springs to mind. Otherwise there's Combeynots etc from the Col du Lauteret, La Grave etc as CFH suggests, both also on the mountains between the Grenoble-Briancon road and the Ailefroide valley or stuff on the other side of the main road around the col du Galibier dropping down to Valloire.
You have deeper into les Ecrins NP form St Christophe, La Bérade, Plevoux, Aileforide then you're into the realms of Ceillac and then the Queyras etc as you head south form Briancon.
Go to the topos on www.skitour.fr.
Otherwise closer to Grenoble you have the Belledonne, the Chartreuse,Taillfer and Maythesine blah blah
Spin, many options for touring up the valley from Serre Che, around the Col De Lauteret & Galibier, Heading home mid March it was really busy up there at the weekend, no parking space! Get in there mid week should be fine.
CFH - thanks, sounds just what we want; snow and sun.
Cheers for the tips - can't wait now. Too long to wait 🙁
Too long? Try waiting over a year!
Little Miss CFH better have her snow legs growing!
As before, many tips already on here, but more than happy to provide again if needed!
but I've approached it form a mountaineer perspective who is learning to ski rather than the other way.
Sounds like we've come at it from the same direction. Quite comfortable on steep slopes and out in the mountains but waiting for the technique to catch up!
TBH I haven't got any real plans as I don't even have someone to go with, just looking for ideas. I'll be happy as long as I can get skiing away from the pistes and in the real mountains.
Cheers for the topo link.
Bardonecchia!!
Looks good for myself and GF (her 1st ski holiday) so obviously want it to be as pleasant an experience as possible. Probably self catering as some attractive deals for 1st week feb.
Opinions please and any experiences of ski school would be useful.
Cheers in advance
Regarding holidays in March - We've always been lucky in European resorts in the last few years, having had plenty of snow.
Even in April you could stike gold with the white stuff. Not sure what will happen this season.
We usually have a 2nd trip the first week of Easter school hols. If lucky it's last weekend of March/first week of April like this year and last. We've had enough snow (of varying quality!) to ski a lot. There was pretty poor cover lower down one year in Les Arcs, still plenty up high - although it was quite crowded as a result.
BunnyhopRegarding holidays in March - We've always been lucky in European resorts in the last few years, having had plenty of snow.
Even in April you could stike gold with the white stuff. Not sure what will happen this season.
Agreed, but whenever we've gone in March we've gone high with glaciers (Tignes etc.) just in case, so mildly concerned about going lower (Serre Che) - especially with all of the warm weather in the Alps at the moment.
But hey, no point in worrying about what you can't control - it'll be what it'll be 😀
Usually the snow can be 1m+ thick and well bashed down (nightly). It takes quite a long time for it to disappear, even with lower resorts. This leads to the strip of snow to ski down while everything is green around effect 🙂 Granted it might get sugary/wet as the day goes on, but still good fun.
March is still pretty much high season for most areas so should be fine.
especially with all of the warm weather in the Alps at the moment.
A couple of days of mild weather in January will have no bearing whatsoever on the conditions in March.
And it's not that mild either. Warm enough in the sun, but pretty cold in the shade. Mild in January <> Mild in March!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/winter-sports/20935287 ]Ski Sunday is back! Woo, yay! Etc. Still prefer the original, sport orientated format, but hey, it's all good![/url]
Off to whistler on sat! My other half worked 2 seasons out there a few years ago. She bought a guide book for the slopes but is still struggling to remember her favorite runs. Any of you in this fine brain trust have any recommendations, not just about the slopes?
Not done a torchlit descent before. Is it worth doing if the opportunity arises?
Not done a torchlit descent before. Is it worth doing if the opportunity arises?
Hell yeah! Great giggles.
Still prefer the original, sport orientated format, but hey, it's all good!
Wish they'd bring back High Altitude (in addition to Ski Sunday) - really liked that show, especially the one where they went on the cross-country snowmobile trek across Iceland.
[quote=CaptainFlashheart ]Ski Sunday is back! Woo, yay! Etc. Still prefer the original, sport orientated format, but hey, it's all good!
WOOOOOOOOOOOT
Must remember to series link it, and to set the red button coverage to record too.
Ah yes torch lit descent. Yep do it. One should tick all the boxes.
In the 'old' days we did in fact use torches. The wax ended up all over my boots, skies and ruined a perfectly decent C&A all in one suit. Furry detachable hood, bit like a flying Swede 😀
perfectly decent C&A all in one suit. Furry detachable hood, bit like a flying Swede
POIDH.
🙂
aaah, torchlit descents...
Spent many a year organising these for drunken Uni students in Les Arcs, Tignes and Val Thorens..... some fantastic sights and memories. Too many good stories from those, especially from the Arpette restaurant in Les Arcs.
Also got to do the instructors torchlit decsent in Val d'Isere (I'm not an instructor) down the Face after a few too many Genepy chasers. Fair to say I proper sh1t myself that night...
In the 'old' days we did in fact use torches. The wax ended up all over my boots, skies and ruined a perfectly decent C&A all in one suit.
Surely open fire and a nylon onesie is a bad mix 😉
Keep saying that I'll get out some of the old photos and post them up.
Fashion Faux pas includes a pair of tight skiing trousers, a little like Capri pants with the strap that goes under the foot and rubs in your boots.
Awful Nevica silver 2 piece, the glare off that would melt the snow.
Apart from that I'm a picture of sartorial elegance - not!
Off to whistler on sat! Any of you in this fine brain trust have any recommendations, not just about the slopes?
Cobrakai - Hmmmm I have some fav spots, but it'll cost ye 😛 .
Well to start with, it depends what kind of stuff you like, but some of my favs include Harmony Ridge, go up Harmony chair and then traverse along the ridge, take any of the horse shoes down, they're all fun! The first 2 that are probably the gnarliest take longer to get tracked out, best to pick your line from the chair lift up.
Another nice one is if you turn right after getting off Harmony and hike up there, just a 5-10 minute hike, then you head off that ridge towards the huge restaurant, Roundhouse.
Flute bowl is usually nice if you don't mind the 45 min hike up from the top of Symphony, there's usually a boot track up.
Spankys has to be done, can't remember exactly what chair its off, but its on Blackcomb,.. maybe jersey cream or glacier express?! Coulier extreme if a bit of fun too, on Blackcomb also. That should get you started 😉 .