[Closed] The Stone Roses - Fuss justified?

From friends who were there at the gig, yes it is. For you, no. I delighted in seeing Cud last week and they were as brilliant as they were 20 years ago - but I doubt they would make your top 5 either.

We're all different.

I think it's justified personally when you put them up against today's bands. I can't think of another drummer like reni since maybe Keith moon. John squire is also phenomenal , Brown may not be the greatest singer and never was but Is a great frontman as for Mani great on bass and is a top bloke. The second album flopped but is still brilliant record in its own right I can't wait to here what the new stuff is gonna be like.

Not too bothered about the hype. Loved the roses first time round, kind of don't like reunions. For me I hope that they do themselves justice and have a good time before it inevitably goes wrong and ends in a shambles. I also hope that they get to enjoy the fame and money whilst they are together and able to perform this time. The whole silvertone thing robbed us of them and vice versa. it's nice to hear that the first couple of big gigs have been well received. I hope it continues.

It was worth it for Friday night in Heaton Park. 🙂

Can't remember who said it, but football crowd my arse. Very good natured crowd all around me just having a blast.

Everyone there seemed to bloody enjoy it. In fact all the bands were quite good - Kid British played a good set, The Vaccines were good fun (and I've never been that much of a fan, but they can certainly belt out their songs and the crowd loved it). Primal Scream were as good as I've seen them live, and I've witnessed some shambolic gigs from them. As for The Wailers, well, exactly how many Wailers are left in there? One or two? But, Bob Marley songs playing in the evening sun (yes, we had a bit of sun on Friday) when everyone's on a beer buzz and many others on different buzzes altogether. Topped off with a majestic performance from The Stone Roses.

I think the people most disappointed will be those who hoped it would be a shit performance, the tutters and the smartarse ****y journos who already had their reviews written. Stuff 'em.

They were immense on Friday! One of the best live performances I 've ever had the pleasure to witness! The most talented musicians of their generation, at the absolute top of their game. They set out to prove the cynics wrong and did so in unbelievable style

I don't want to live in a world where Coldplay sell out stadiums with their bland, meaningless drivel! I want someone with pure charisma and swagger delivering a vitriolic tirade against the royal family before launching into I am the ressurection!!!!

The Stone Roses - Fuss justified?

Depends if you are a fan of the Stone Roses!!!

(I've always though they were just OK).

My greatest disappointment about the gig was missing binbins 🙁

TooTall - Member

From friends who were there at the gig, yes it is. For you, no. I delighted in seeing Cud last week and they were as brilliant as they were 20 years ago - but I doubt they would make your top 5 either.

We're all different.

How were cud ? thinking off going to Holmfirth for them and Weddoe's.

The most talented musicians of their generation

lol

Better guitarists than john squire? Your suggestions please? A better drummer than Reni? Really? Who exactly? And Mani's right up there as one of the best bass players ever! And I'll forgive King Monkey the dropped notes ( the only thing the bands tedious critics parrot endlessly) when he writes songs like I Wanna be Adored.

My biggest dissappointment was not managing to hook up with Bravissimo. Hook up? See what I did there 😉

Better guitarists than john squire? Your suggestions please?

A better drummer than Reni? Really? Who exactly?

And Mani's right up there as one of the best bass players ever!

If you say so....

😉

I couldn't actually give a toss about anyone else's opinion on the matter really. I'd waited 20 years to see them play, and I thought they were ****ing amazing!!!!! A view which seemed to be shared by everyone else who actually bothered to get off their arses and go. As opposed to just slagging them off on the basis of them not being too clever live, 20 years ago. You don't like 'em. Fine. Good for you

It's almost as if some people get their anal sphincters in a real ol' twist when they see others enjoying themselves to music they don't like. 🙄

I can only begin to imagine the puckering and tutting that went on this weekend as 220,000 odd former baggies enjoyed themselves in a field listening to great performances.

Never mind, keep applying for tickets to Later with Jools...

The congregation at my mum's church in prestwich would say no as they surveyed the damage after some arse lobbed full beer cans through 7 windows on saturday night. Can't prove it was Roses related but it is a bit of a coincidence.

Totally agree with DD & Binners.

Fri was incredible, no trouble, everyone smiling, dancing & hugging!

Four old mates putting any animosity behind them. Takes some bottle to pull something like that off. They deserve their payday.
Ian Brown - magnificent frontman
Mani - Funky as basslines
Reni - what a drummer! best drummer since, well Reni 😀
And considering John Squire supposedly hadn't picked up a guitar in years...

And Mani's right up there as one of the best bass players ever!

while you were jumping up and down to the hyped up 'could only mange 2 albums' pop group i was jumping up and down to the stranglers at the hop farm festival who were brilliant, jj burnel is a better bass player than mani but i'm not blinkered enough to say he's the most talented of his generation 🙄

i was jumping up and down to the stranglers at the hop farm festival who were brilliant

Good for you! I won't try and make you feel bad about it though. 🙂

Can't prove it was Roses related but it is a bit of a coincidence.

Sounds a bit more related to drunken behaviour. Now I can't remember everything Brown said, what with all of us singin' an' jumpin' an' clappin' an' all but I'm pretty sure he didn't exhort anyone to throw a can of beer through any windows. So Roses related? I doubt it.

Fair enough... but chances are that the moron in question wouldn't have been there if the concert wasn't on.

Fair enough... but chances are that the moron in question wouldn't have been there if the concert wasn't on.

Or any other concert where 70,000 people are going to get a bit arseholed?

Fairy nuff, it wouldn't happen after a JLS concert I think. 🙂

Or any other [s]concert[/s] event where 70,000 people are going to get a bit arseholed?

See also soccer, rugby, cricket, etc. Can't really blame the music. (Even if you don't really like it! 😉 )

Good for you! I won't try and make you feel bad about it though.

as for the 'hype' around the stone roses? they are just another band from that era that people have a soft spot for, they are not the second coming, they are just a relic from a religion long since consigned to bit part in music history.

Fair enough... but chances are that the moron in question wouldn't have been there if the concert wasn't on.

I'm moving to Prestwich then.

If there is only ever any trouble when there is a gig on in Heaton Park.

NIMBYism from me. I don't really want a 3 night concert and 210,000 people in my back yard (well... within a mile of it anyway). We can hear the bass but thankfully not Brown's vocals. 😉

Cop vans have been up and down the lane quite a lot in the last couple of days (I live on the road between the coach park and the venue) so we haven't seen any bother ourselves.

Not had the same displays of public pissing in people's gardens as when Oasis were here a couple of years ago.

In all honesty i did not think they were that spectacular live when i saw them in their prime but everyone I know who did not see them thinks i was lucky. I can see why folk would go and enjoy it and I am glad you all enjoyed it- no one I know who went has said anything other than what has been said here. I would not criticise them for their legacy and music even if I wont go quite as far as binners in my praise

Some funny lines in their folks @ DD, HtS and Mr Smith

Actually Reni is one of the best drummers of his generation. Listen to his solo and isolated drums on Youtube. Certainly the most original since that tossed Collins. Mani said he was also the best guitarist and vocalist in the band too. Definitely the standout talent in that band.

What makes a good guitar player,though? The argument of so & so is better is pointless unless you're a guitar playing critic. Knopfler,Page,Beck or whoever might be classed as better guitar players by people that know about guitar playing but for you and I, no matter how well someone uses a guitar, if they aren't churning out the kind of music YOU want to listen to.. but the guy down the road IS churning out the music that floats your boat (albeit with a little less skill) then as far as music is concerned.. there really is only one option! Listen to the stuff that does it for you. Not because yer brothers best mate read an article that said Eddie Van Knoppage is the worlds best.
A great example(music)of why we shouldnt always go with what's classed as the 'worlds best' as it means JackChit.

Edit: A great example(music)of why we shouldnt always go with what's classed as 'worlds best/best/better' as it means JackChit.

JackChitt is indeed a phenomenal guitarist everyone should check them out

Meh. None of that bunch of Manc 'baggy' bands did anything for me at all. I bought Stone Roses eponymous album in Fopp some years back just for two tracks. Cost me £3.
On the other hand, I have all the albums and many ltd singles by Elbow and Doves, and if someone had given me a Stone Roses ticket I would have happily swapped it or sold it for a ticket to see Elbow at Jodrell Bank. They are, for me, possibly the best band this country has produced in the last twenty or so years.
But that's just my opinion.
They've certainly got a better back catalogue than the Roses...

I thought it was awesome....but I've always been a stone roses fan

Gutted I missed the wailers though

The roses found me when I was going through some if my dads old CDs once. I was utterly blown away by "I am the ressurectuon" it's one of those omg music moments. Being me I had to listen to all they'd ever done, i was thinking live sets unplugged 4-5 albums.....well you know!!

For me I just keep thinking imagine what they might have come up with. Imagine a live concert with a massive back catalogue. Instead of being an older version of probably not the best stone roses tribute band. I'm glad everyone who went had a good time though.

I was at the Roses last night and I can honestly say they were amazing. 75,000 people singing along. They were superb.

Seen Elbow at MEN and was at Heaton Park last night. I'd personally take Elbow to my desert island over Roses but last night was the best gig I've ever been to. 20 minute version of Fools Gold was amazing.

ast night was the best gig I've ever been to. 20 minute version of Fools Gold was amazing.

on the rock 'n' roll woodbines last night perchance..?

Plenty around us were...and more... Not us officer.
🙂

I was there on Saturday and they were truly amazing live. I have been to circa 350 gigs of over 40 different acts and this truly was one of the best.

It is worth mentioning that the most inspiring music is not solely produced by the best musicians... The greatest bands are not always composed of the ultimate musicians of the day either!

The Stone Roses were a band of their time who have overcome conflict and bitterness to make music together again and this is great - my disappointment would arise from knowing this is not based on personal reconciliation, but instead was about money. I would much rather that people managed to rebuild friendships, rather than satisfy my desire to see them perform again.

Also, I really like Elbow - but there is absolutely no way (In my opinion!) that their entire output is positively comparable in quality to that of the Stone Roses...

Better guitarists than john squire? Your suggestions please? A better drummer than Reni? Really? Who exactly? And Mani's right up there as one of the best bass players ever!

Lol @ Mani as one of the best ever bass players.....I've never seen him in a top 20 bass players type run down in any bass mag etc (they normally do pick most of the best ones too!) He wouldn't be in my top 50! John Squire is a very iconic guitarist-hugely talented and a unique sound....'better'....technically, every guitarist that graduates from a music conservatoire each year plus literally hundereds of others.

Gutted that I didn't get tickets to see them though, and they're amongst my favourite bands of all time

Bass Mag?

😆

Lol @ Mani as one of the best ever bass players.....I've never seen him in a top 20 bass players type run down in any bass mag etc (they normally do pick most of the best ones too!) He wouldn't be in my top 50!

Musicians are the last people who can actually quantify the worth of other musicians - they always concentrate on the shameless display of technical ability, the least important factor of all.* 🙂

As to the Roses, saw them support James at Manchester Uni in 1988 and they were good - then I heard the first album and fell in love.
Wonderful, wonderful band.
Couldn't go this weekend as step-daughter got married yesterday, but friends who went haven't stopped raving about it yet!

*Mani used to drink in the Broadway in New Moston.
He spoke to everyone and always got a round in.
This is the most important attribute for a bass player. 😀

Oh a Bass mag. I seeeeee.

When did Cud get back together (again)?

Where's that paisley shirt gone (rummages in back of wardrobe..)?

The Stone Roses - Fuss justified?

no.

imho. drugged up hippy funk rock. nowt special

Wanted to see the Roses for 22 years and on Friday I fulfilled that with one of the best gigs I've been to. Went to watch the Verve at haigh hall, Wigan in 98 (I think ) which was my favourite gig but Friday night just blew me away.

Fridays gig was the best I have ever seen for one reason and another, the whole vibe was ace and I have seen a lot of bands in my time through working festivals etc

So there seems to be a pretty clear divide here. The people who[i] actually[/i] went to see them, who are all going into collective raptures about how good they [i]actually[/i] were. And then the 'bah, humbug - they were never any good, and they're probably still rubbish cynics who'd already cast their opinions in stone before they'd played a note. They clearly didn't need to [i]actually[/i] hear them to confirm their [s]unjustified prejudice [/s] opinion 😀

andy - I was at that Verve gig at haigh hall. It was absolute quality. Though not a patch on the Roses this weekend IMHO

I was there last night.

I was never a massive Stone Roses fan to be honest (in the way that I didnt have all the albums and no all the words off by heart). I got tickets for my Fiance, her brother and Dad who all love them. They were brought up on them so I thought it would be good to get them tickets.

Anyway they were absolutely fantastic! It was amazing how many songs I knew once they started playing them. I was impressed by the quality of the instrumentals and the ability to turn each song into a 10 minute feast fo your ears. I would definately forgive the odd 'dodgy note' from Brown.

There were quite a few 40-50 year olds trying to turn back the clock to the 90's looking like they had seen better days but who cares. Everyone was having fun and the atmosphere was amazing.

Everyone was having fun and the atmosphere was amazing.

Meh, I can't stand people having fun, me. I'd rather sit and watch YouTube videos of bands you haven't heard of yet, recommending them to my mates, then hiding away when they turn out to be charlatans. I'd rather go on about what they "could have been". 70000 people singing and dancing in a field having a blast? Meh, meh, meh.

Binners - Badly Drawn Boy wrote I Wanna be Adored

Was there on saturday and it was awesome night.

I was too young to see them first time round - they had already split up when i started listening to them so i have no idea how it compared to back at their peak. However compared to the hundreds of other bands ive seen over the years saturday night was up there with some of the very best.

Body is aching now though was right down the front and ended up on the deck during made of stone with someone standing on my legs and then falling ontop in slow motion 🙁

I thought that was Elton Johns Princess of hearts version of Candle in the Wind?

Papa_Lazarou - Member

Binners - Badly Drawn Boy wrote I Wanna be Adored

Pictures or it didn't happen.

And Mani's right up there as one of the best bass players ever!

You were doing so well up until then.

Maybe John Entwistle might have a say about that, or John Paul Jones? If you want to get all muso about it, I'd put Tony Levin right up there, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards, Donald Dunn...

Or from just a few years earlier than the Stone Roses, is there anything Mani's done that compares to the sheer brilliance of Peter Hook?

Musos musin'

You were doing so well up until then.

Maybe John Entwistle might have a say about that, or John Paul Jones? If you want to get all muso about it, I'd put Tony Levin right up there, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards, Donald Dunn...

Or from just a few years earlier than the Stone Roses, is there anything Mani's done that compares to the sheer brilliance of Peter Hook?

I get the feeling some people spend more time reading and talking about music than they do listening to it.

[i]I get the feeling some people spend more time reading and talking about music than they do listening to it.[/i]

Amen.
Nothing to say about the Roses comeback (it's a "comeback" ffs), but those going on about "how good" they are as musicians really, really don't have a clue do they?
There's a [u]feel[/u] that Mani & Reni created when they played together that was awesome. It's not about technical ability. Leave that to the heavy rockers churning out the same technically brilliant riffs over and over and over and over.....

At least they'll never disappoint quite as much as Lana Del Rey.

I get the feeling some people spend more time reading and talking about music than they do listening to it.

Hmmmmmm - I suspect Prog Rock may figure in any top ten lists. Maybe the time Rick Wakeman played a 10 minute glockenspiel solo during 1976's Rings Around the Moons of Saturn tour? 😉

[i]At least they'll never disappoint quite as much as Lana Del Rey.[/i]

Yeah, they have got about 2 or 3 more decent songs than she has 😛

don't care about techincal stuff (mostly it's actually not that hard, it's just scales played fast)

I care about music that makes the hairs on my arm stand up!

So there seems to be a pretty clear divide here. The people who actually went to see them, who are all going into collective raptures about how good they actually were. And then the 'bah, humbug - they were never any good, and they're probably still rubbish cynics who'd already cast their opinions in stone before they'd played a note

You still stoned then Binners?

don't care about techincal stuff (mostly it's actually not that hard, it's just scales played fast)

I care about music that makes the hairs on my arm stand up!

I care about music that makes the hairs on my arm stand up!

Exactly emsz!!!! And from the opening chords of I Wanna Be Adored, I've never seen a crowd got so absolutely crazy ape bonkers. But, hey, I've never seen Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck. They're technically far better musically, so WTF would I know 🙄

Yeah, they have got about 2 or 3 more decent songs than she has

And Brown, it turns out, has a better voice.

WhyIoughta!

it was great

OK monkey's vocals are suspect but that's not really the point, and in any case he was way better than when I saw him solo a few years back. There were a few lulls but they were really on it for stuff like fools gold, waterfall, don't stop, and of course resurrection.

I've seen a few comebacks and this was one of the best. I saw Pulp last year for example: it was singalong with Jarvis. This was the same, but I thought the roses brought that bit extra.

And the atmosphere was great, not just in the gig but also around town before hand.

I personally don't like their stuff - for me anyway it seems to be a lot of hype about a band that don't really move me - admittedly I've never seen them live, but I've always found that you're unlikely to like a band live, if you don't really like their studio stuff.

Horses for courses though - I'm sure people here would prob slate my fav bands.

This seemed a bit out of order though [url= http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/29/musicphotographyboycott ]http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/29/musicphotographyboycott[/url]

[i]This seemed a bit out of order though http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/29/musicphotographyboycott [/i]
Yeah, they should ban ****ers with their iPhones & Blackberrys first.

I get the feeling some people spend more time reading and talking about music than they do listening to it.

I put Hooky in there to make the point that it's not just about muso perfection; he makes all sorts of mistakes, but I just love the feel of what he does, and that matters much more to me. And I stick to my original point that although Mani's a perfectly fine bass player, to call him one of the best in the world is just silly. There are others who are technically more proficient (if that's what you're looking for - personally that does little for me) and a load more who were way more influential.

What you can say is that he's the best bass player for that band, and the Stone Roses without him would be unthinkable.

Everyone was having fun and the atmosphere was amazing.

I bet you could say the same about going to see Scooter though 😉

And I know the guy (Ian Tilton) who started that boycott campaign. He's been photographing the band for years and took many of the iconic pictures of them. It does seem like pure shady money grabbing on their part.

I'm sure it was a fun gig but I've just never been that big a fan of their music, and I don't get the whole hero worship of Ian Brown and his lyrics.

fast stuff is not necessarily technical it is just fast

rode passed all the crowd friday afternoon taking the long way home, was very jealous. Never got the chance to see them live as I only started listening to their stuff after they split up (regular MO for me and music) but didn't get my act together to try and get tickets, apparently the bouncers were pretty chilled out and let quite a few "pay on the door", wish I'd known that 🙂

The missus went on Saturday as it was a big part of her youff. Me and the kids dropped her off. Heaton Park looked like the biggest pub garden in the world. She will die happy now.

Fair comments all round.
I guess its mainly about the atmosphere that the band create as one entity rather than the highly technical skills on show.
Im glad everyone has had a great time and werent dissapointed with the show.
Seems like the properly pulled it off. Good job them.