[Closed] The Star Wars Spoiler Thread

@shermer - tax breaks for the film industry and common world wide, the French have an explicit tax payer funded scheme. Films are pefrfect examples of things you can manufacture pretty much anywhere so countries compete for them.

@bikebouy, nice I am thinking of seeing it again too, 3D was good for the movie I thought

FYI, the new Star Wars: Battlefront game on xbox and PS has some "easter eggs" relating to the new film.

The "Battle of Jakku" map explains how all that debris ended up there.

9) They managed to destroy coruscant which could have been a cool blade runner style world for future films.

Coruscant wasn't blown up, but Hosnian Prime and the surrounding planets of the "New Republic". It *looked* like Coruscant, but (again, a huge plot hole) it seems they moved the whole of the Republic infrastructure to a new planet?!

I don't have a problem with Adam Driver as the bad guy, after all Vader was revealed to be a balding, overweight, middle aged bloke but with skillz *

* no drawing parallels with MTBers please

Wow, so Battlefront is actually good for [i]something[/i]?

And it's on PC too you know.

If Rey turns out to be an Anakin skywalker style virgin birth created by the midichlorians, I predict mass shitting of beds.

Tom_W1987 - Member

Things I really hated

1) Another Death Star - just bigger and built around a sun. Great! How does it end up snowy with a sun as your space stations core?

I dunno man, it seems weird to hate stuff that didn't actually happen.

greasydan - Member

Coruscant wasn't blown up, but Hosnian Prime and the surrounding planets of the "New Republic". It *looked* like Coruscant, but (again, a huge plot hole) it seems they moved the whole of the Republic infrastructure to a new planet?!

How is that a plot hole?

Watched it yesterday. Can't decide whether I love it or hate it, the scenery, action and detail is unbelivable. The crashed starships at the beginning and AT-ATs in the sand look amazing, as do X-Wings flying from a sunset to battle. The lad who plays Finn and that charachter is brilliant.

But...

3D doesnt add anything for those asking.

It's basically a remake of 'A New Hope'.

C3PO still isn't funny, having a red arm isn't funny. Stop it.

First Order are camp Nazis.

BB8 is R2-D2. Even his storyline is the same.

Alan Partidge plays a spoilt dark lord who has a hissy fit when he doesn't get his own way like a 5 year old, and at that he's a crap jedi. He gets outwitted by someone who doesn't even know what the force is 5 minutes earlier.

Luke Skywalker now looks like Eddie Izzard.

But I was glued to my seat the whole way through.

jonnytheleyther + 1-ish (I'm too old & jaded to do the impassioned love/hate thing)
I liked the 'not in your face 3D' sometimes it was properly immersive.

I grok what George Lucas says (I also discount any 1-3 haters opinion immediately)

jonnytheleyther - Member

C3PO still isn't funny, having a red arm isn't funny.

Having a red arm wasn't supposed to be funny. But I thought it was a pretty good line that, "You might not recognise me because of the red arm"- it's a joke about C3PO being shit basically. (and I think, a bit of a poke at the terrible bit in Clones when he gets a body swap)

Thought it was slightly overdone though with the whole "I really must get that fixed", should have just been that one line- like, Mark Hamill has a beard, C3PO has a red arm, Han Solo is old- time has passed.

£20 in Tesco.

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Just sayin'...

Saw it last night at the IMAX and, although I lost interested after the first couple, -
1) really enjoyed it
2) loved the nods to bits from previous films
3) thought 3d was good but not mind blowing (maybe thats a good thing)
4) with hindsight you can sort of tell it's Daniel Craig by the ST attitude!
4) think I might sneak another viewing one day soon!

If we're going to get into realism/plot holes did anyone think about how the Star Destroyer ended up in the sand on Jakku. I mean, it did look amazing:

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from the EA game site - "A Star Destroyer has just crash-landed and some of its engines are still smoking"

Holy shit - we're talking about a *big* ship there, not in any way designed for in atmosphere flying. They're the size of cities. Even if we give them a pass on it not burning up in the atmosphere, when it hit the ground it was going to make an almighty mess and crater. That sort of thing doesn't come to rest gently in the sand

If we're going to get into realism/plot holes did anyone think about how the Star Destroyer ended up in the sand on Jakku. I mean, it did look amazing:

It worked for me.

The new Darth Vader type bad guy looked too much like Steve Coogan to be taken seriously.
Kylo Ren...

Wrong

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Kylo Ren also does interior design

Kylo Ren also does interior design

There is a great line Kermode uses a lot about suspension of belief, if you get through and just accept that they can park a super star destroyer etc in the sand or how the bloke beat everyone back to the rebel base without being on the falcon etc. then the film works.

for sure, and that's true of nearly every action movie. But that pic above did make me laugh

Holy shit - we're talking about a *big* ship there, not in any way designed for in atmosphere flying. They're the size of cities. Even if we give them a pass on it not burning up in the atmosphere, when it hit the ground it was going to make an almighty mess and crater. That sort of thing doesn't come to rest gently in the sand

Simons no offence, I honestly I don't get this.

Can someone please tell me, where to draw the line between reality and fantasy.

That sort of thing doesn't come to rest gently in the sand

Familiar with 'that sort of thing' are you? From your days in the space corps?

Any fool knows that the hyperdrive can be used to provide an anti gravity effect, so even a crashing star destroyer can crash slowly.

Has anybody else spotted the traffic cone in that photo of Kylo Ren (Coogan) up there^^?

Steve Coogan and traffic cones. We've been here before...

Laughing at those picking up on the fake science, yet no one seems to mention that they're travelling around the galaxy at light speed, yet no one appears to age at a different rate...

Traffic cones in a galaxy far, far away?

Well that has just ruined it for me.

They aren't travelling at light speed. That's not possible. They are travelling through hyperspace, do keep up.

They call it light speed, presumably as slang or a traditional term.

C3PO always had a one silver leg below the knee, they both looked gold to me in this film. Anyone else confirm this ?

He got a new leg for Christmas

It wasn't his main present

Just a stocking filler......

Darth Vader: I know what you are getting for Xmas
Luke: How? Did you use the force?
Darth Vader: No. But I felt your presents

Holy shit - we're talking about a *big* ship there, not in any way designed for in atmosphere flying. They're the size of cities. Even if we give them a pass on it not burning up in the atmosphere, when it hit the ground it was going to make an almighty mess and crater. That sort of thing doesn't come to rest gently in the sand

Are there any SF films that don't require a suspension of belief? Even the 'serious' ones like 2001 are extremely silly.

Are there any SF films that don't require a suspension of belief? Even the 'serious' ones like 2001 are extremely silly.

Not at all, but you expect them to be a little bit of internal logic and consistency.

Are there any SF films that don't require a suspension of belief?

Of course. Scifi has a range of definitions. Some people Star Wars scifi, I don't - it's a fantasy film, all about magic, good and evil - it just happens to have spaceships in it.

Some scifi films are 'hard' scifi in that they take the implications of actual science, or potential scientific developments - so Gattaca, Bladerunner, I Robot for example.

Then there are sort of hybrids that include hard science but also some plot devices that enable the story - like time travel or faster than light travel.

Not at all, but you expect them to be a little bit of internal logic and consistency.

I'd normally agree with you on this, and I'm normally hyper-critical about internal logic and that sort of thing, but for some reason when I watch a film in the cinema I switch my brain off completely. (Except when it's a crap Bond film!) When I watch the same film on TV my brain engages and I spot all of the holes I previously ignored. 🙂

Edit : molgrips - I've been reading and watching SF films for three decades now, like a lot of people on this thread I'd imagine. I don't need a definition. 😉

C3PO always had a one silver leg below the knee, they both looked gold to me in this film. Anyone else confirm this ?

He probably has a spare... like Douglas Bader.

I don't need a definition.

You have not convinced me of that 🙂

Anyway I gave you three that answered your original question.

Surely as it all happened a long long time ago it's historical fiction rather than sci-fi?

Maybe set at the same time as Game of Thrones? They could do a tie in movie, like Marvel Avengers!

The correct genre for Star Wars is Space Opera. You can tell from all the big hair, portentous dialogue and camp droids.

Science Fantasy.

Not at all, but you expect them to be a little bit of internal logic and consistency.

Laser swords
Mystical religion that bestows magical powers on its followers
Ghosts
7 foot tall hairy beasts wielding laser powered crossbows
A giant anus in the desert that eats people

But aye, the innacurate physics of a spaceship entering a planet's atmosphere really renders the entire thing unbelievable...

Right, having just seen the film, which I enjoyed immensely, I'd just like to come back to this:

Tom_W1987 - Member
Things I really hated

1) Another Death Star - just bigger and built around a sun. Great! How does it end up snowy with a sun as your space stations core?

I did smile at the Death Planet/Oblitertron final moments where we had a Destroy the Shield Generator, Fly down the channel and cover me followed by get inside and blow the damm thing up 🙂

Take your history and treat it with respect.

BoardinBob - Member

Not at all, but you expect them to be a little bit of internal logic and consistency.

Laser swords

And seriously would you not invent laser swords just as soon as you could...

50% space opera and 50% western, if you want to go all Margaret Atwood

Oh and lightsabers aren't laser swords, they're plasma swords, using the same technology used in Power Balance bands.

Well, mine is made of plastic, but that's because real life is cruel and disappointing.

Oh and lightsabers aren't laser swords, they're plasma swords, using the same technology used in Power Balance bands.

Wow. I thought they were driven by Snake Oil™ and nonspecific Woo.

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There's a space weapon theory that says destroying another planet is remarkably simple and doesn't require a huge amount more tech than we have already.

From Rob Manuel -

"I've been reading about relativistic weapons - a theoretical weapon that consists of speeding up a heavy object to say 1/3rd of the speed of light and aiming it at a planet. The fun of them is you can't stop them as a. you're dead by the time you know about it and b. blowing them up means you've got millions of fragments flying at you at the same speed and that's equally if not more deadly.
Relativistic weapons get even more fun when you realise that we can possibly build them RIGHT NOW or at least soonish - you need a big lump of rock and an accelerator. There's not much friction in space so in theory should you have a nice long life powered source like a lump of plutonium you can keep accelerating and eventually reach speeds that would, if decelerated quickly through a massive impact would release stupendous and destructive amounts of energy.
BANG!
So, ok we can build our own planet destroyer - we could call it a Death Star, so what? Well, it's one answer to the Fermi paradox. That's the observation that considering the amount of the universe that we estimate to be habitable - then why is it so damn quiet?
Maybe it's so quiet because once you realise other things are out there and could easily destroy you, in fact for the survival of their own species it's probably in their best interests to destroy you, the only winning move is to sit in the dark and stay very quiet indeed."

I wondered if the First Order had taken their interior design inspiration from the Royal Conservatoire Scotland Logo

Could it be a graphic designers S W mirrored? Tenuous!

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Could it be a graphic designers S W mirrored? Tenuous

This sounds good but I don't understand it

I'm going to watch it for a second time tonight.. again in 3D.

You lot are really spoiling it for me what with all this speculation n stuff.

Pipe down.. 😀

Did Carrie Fishers face ever move during the entire film? Words seemed to come out without any visible movement...

interesting fact on interwebby that a concept for TFA that Anakin would return as a force ghosts switching between light and dark , always in turmoil .....

leads me to think perhaps they took that idea and ran with.................

.......... Snoke is force-resurrected Darth Vader.............

breatheeasy - Member
Did Carrie Fishers face ever move during the entire film? Words seemed to come out without any visible movement...

She definitely tilted it to one side a few times

what I'd really like to know is how people can stand being around Chewbacca, let alone embrace him.
the greasy beast looks like he'd smell like a thousand dead dogs marinated in Jabba the Hutt's fetid entrails.

.......... Snoke is force-resurrected Darth Vader.............

Ooooh! I'm liking that one 😀 Which would also account for the crispy DV mask that Ren had...

Makes me think.

what I'd really like to know is how people can stand being around Chewbacca

One word.

Tagnuts.

You really weren't paying attention, were you.
Yes, it's bigger than the first one, which was the size of a small moon. The new one is a planet, engineered to enclose an electromagnetic weapon. That's why there's snow on it, it's a planet! There is no sun inside, the ship/planet pulls into whichever star system it wants to ****up, then uses the systems own star to destroy it, manipulating the electromagnetic fields to focus the star's material via the ship's weapon, ultimately destroying the star in the process, this was actually described in the film.

They said it used the "sun", so I just assumed they had built it around one. Obviously I wasn't listening 😀 I was probably just thinking "ZOMG X-WINGSSSSSS PEW PEW PEW" - because I still loved it - even if it was a blatant rehash.

I've just bought tonnes of this

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and my wife has started playing it...I is in heaven. 😀

.......... Snoke is force-resurrected Darth Vader.............

...or a CLONE from his DNA from his burned mask ?

.......... Snoke is force-resurrected Darth Vader.............

Or a force-resurrected Emperor...

Yay! The weather is so indifferent I'm not going riding, I'm going to Cineworld to see Star Wars again.

Yeah surely he'd be a more force-resurrected Palpatine rather than Vader?

so... late to the party I saw it at the Imax yesterday in Manchester, fantastic. I reckon they are twins... Luke / Leia .... Ren / Rey...!
but if this were the case you might have expected some recognition from Solo?! so either he doesn't know, not his or he didn't twig. BUT if Rey was Luke's daughter then that would explain her being left on a planet (a little) because Jedi are not supposed to procreate plus then we would get a 'I am your father moment' Regardless, we're going to see Luke fight in the next one after training Rey so double jedi fights with huge jumps and cool stuff happening defo.

So who is this snokes guy? I can't think of anyone from the previous films who they could make him out to be. a burned jarjar perhaps? lol. I reckon he'll be quite small though, like the size of a dwarf. Perhaps we're overthinking it and his story will be explained in the next two movies.

I reckon they are twins... Luke / Leia .... Ren / Rey...!

BUT if Rey was Luke's daughter

If Luke and Leia were her parents... 😯

I can finally post here after watching the film last weekend and then taking all week to get through the thread.

Rey obviously has some connection to Luke, his light saber called her.
Ben solo is pretty crap at using the force, fin has been trained all his life in combat, so it's not inconceivable that he can hold his own in a light saber fight against him.
Could Rey be being controlled during her force moments by Luke from a distance? Would explain how she was using the force so well after just discovering her powers.

Also as a side note, there was an interesting fan theory that jar jar was going to be the big bad, hiding in plain sight, influencing all the key moments and handing power to senator palpatine, but after the fan reaction to him Lucas bottled it...

So, I've finally seen it and the big question is........

Do we reckon Yoda ever had a bash on that Maz Kanata back in the day?

I reckon he would have, the old dog.

Hmmm... ride me like a mechanical bull you will.

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So I went back for another look without all the expectation and it really is quite good.
I stand by my comments regarding new spaceships.

I hope they get a new focus puller on the next one, I lost count of the times it was off, whisps of hair at the back of the head pin sharp and the eyes way off. They have obviously got lazy with a direct feed from shooting digital and need to up their game. It's no good getting the rushes back the next day to find its off and you can't re-shoot.
I can understand the decision to shoot on film and why they want to get the feel of the old films back and had panavision make some new anamorphic lenses but I didn't see anything that couldn't be achieved with an Alexa and a set off off the shelf primes.
Not a fan of 3D so unlikely to see it but I bet that was a bit shonky too presuming it was not done with a second camera just digital effects.

...anyone want to lay any money on the full vader suit being resurrected by Kylo Ren once he becomes a Sith?

Two things concern me - one, the rewrites for the next film (and beyond) and the every present rumours that Obi Wan is getting his own movie.
This could tie 2 things together...

1. obi wan's movie set a few years before A new Hope and shows a recent wife/partner - kid involved who also heavy Force user grows up and has Rey then gets killed off, Leia takes Rey on.

2. the rewrites for the main series is because they can also have point 1 above as a new movie (and rake in more cash) and it still fall in line with the EP 9 too, as well as moving away from the obvious plot point that everyone thinks Rey is Lukes daughter --- and moving away from plotlines that have been done to death in the original Star Wars series.