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I got my blood test results back today, and the one which caused concern was my Vitamin D level. Apparently 50 is a healthy level, and I score 17 😮

Going to be on a high dose of Vit D for 10 weeks now! Not necessarily an instant fix but does go a reasonable way to explain my symptoms. Hopefully I can get back training shortly.


 
Posted : 14/01/2020 9:16 pm
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Wife tells me there’s a view that we should all be taking vitamin d due to the lack of sunlight in winter.


 
Posted : 14/01/2020 9:31 pm
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Fingers crossed TF!!


 
Posted : 14/01/2020 9:41 pm
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I was gonna express my surprise that someone who must spend a lot of time outdoors running would have a Vit D deficiency, then I realised almost all my own running is done in the dark.

Hope it does the job anyway.


 
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Anybody following or know anybody participating in the Montane Spine Race?  Seems like an epic affair.  Mused over the route and some parts look great for a day adventure.


 
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I assume you told them of the pain above your pubic bone etc.

They didn't give any further diagnosis other than the vit d deficiency ?

Vit deficiencies - especially really low can often be an issue with absorption.

Unless of course your a vegan/vegitarian in which case it's much harder to get a good vit d source


 
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Got Gloucester half marathon on Sunday. Entered it straight after a half I did in October, hoping it would motivate me to keep up my running fitness through winter.

Nope. Haven’t done anything other than other things that interest me during winter, being zwift and indoor swimming. Will go along anyway and see if I can get round.

Anyone else doing it?


 
Posted : 15/01/2020 1:28 am
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@trail_rat

The blood test was the GP's first step. Now I'm reading up about Vitamin D deficiency and wondering whether I could have a pelvic stress fracture, but I'm probably being overly dramatic! Going to see my sports rehab guy shortly and get his opinion.

I'm told that Vitamin D is stored in the body, so shouldn't be seeing dramatic sudden drops because of going into winter. I run outdoors for over 2 hours a day and during the summer this is obviously in sunlight, wearing shorts and vest, bald head, no sun-cream, so should be absorbing a decent amount of UV then.

I did dabble with veganism late 2018 with the hope that it would help my running, but I didn't see any improvement so knocked it on the head after a few months.

I've switched to cycling my commute, and not seeing any ill effects from riding, feeling absolutely fine. I was watching this yesterday and the explanation of the importance of an off-season certainly hit home


 
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Anybody following or know anybody participating in the Montane Spine Race? Seems like an epic affair. Mused over the route and some parts look great for a day adventure.

It's further up this thread, and there's another thread here:

https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-spine-rewriting-the-rules/

And yeah, definitely epic!


 
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I’m told that Vitamin D is stored in the body, so shouldn’t be seeing dramatic sudden drops because of going into winter. I run outdoors for over 2 hours a day and during the summer this is obviously in sunlight, wearing shorts and vest, bald head, no sun-cream, so should be absorbing a decent amount of UV then.

Vit D not only from UV and at this time of year can largely be brought in through a balanced diet.

Its much harder to get(but not impossible) if your vegan.

But irrelevent if your not vegan 😀


 
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What a terrible morning for a run. Ran to the train station (only 6km) and the rain got wetter and wetter as i went. Trails were water logged - not ideal in the pitch black. The heating in my carriage not working ensuring i was freezing to death for an hour. Now on a mission to dry my kit out before the return journey tonight...thankfully the forecast looks a bit better for tonight so i might be able to tack on a few extra km.


 
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Winter miles for summer smiles djambo!.


 
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@Nobeerinthefridge I hope you're right! Was glad i did it as soon as I got out of the shower 😉


 
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Vit D not only from UV and at this time of year can largely be brought in through a balanced diet.

Its much harder to get(but not impossible) if your vegan.

But irrelevent if your not vegan 😀

You won't get much Vitamin D from your diet, unless you eat loads of oily fish. Most people are probably deficient over the winter. Vegan is not really relevant (soya milk and margarine is fortified anyway).

NHS advice is adults should consider supplements over autumn and winter. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/


 
Posted : 15/01/2020 11:12 am
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Interesting run in to work this morning. Started steady and then it happened again. About 400m along the another runner joined the canal. He was going a little quicker than I was. So obviously I had to chase him.
Cue going 1:30 per mile faster than a normal commute to not only catch him but also to make sure he couldn’t keep up once I’d gone past. He may not have known he was in a race, but he definitely lost…
Which is all well and good bar the fact that I planned to run the long route home tonight (12 miles) and I am now sat at my desk with aching legs.
I am an idiot. But I did win…


 
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I often get very tired and get "diagnosed" with Vit D deficiency, but I'm not convinced. Just think it's my age and a hectic life - work, kids, work, kids, other stuff...

Lunge: Great victory, I'm sure it was quite a spectacle.

What's everyone up to at the weekend? If anyone fancies it I'm going to Victoria Dock Parkrun on Saturday in the old East End of Landan. The course is flat, pavement, wide and with not that many runners, so I'm going for a PB. Not exciting like a mountain run, but it keeps me entertained.

I can't quite believe I'm writing this, as 4 months ago I would have laughed at someone who suggested it, but I'm going for a sub 20 minute run. Currently on 20:34 at a muddy Nonsuch on New Year's Day after 4 hours sleep, so who knows? But, as we all know with running/sport you just never know when you're going to have a good or bad day. It might be a failure, but I'm going to bury myself and see what happens. Did 25 minutes of fast-up, slow-down hill reps last night to prepare me, and hopefully my legs should recover in time.


 
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TF: What did your doc prescribe as a high dose of Vit D? I've just started on some 4000iu Vitamin D3


 
Posted : 16/01/2020 2:38 pm
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I'm doing 'No Repeat January'. I lost my mojo at the end of last year as I was just banging out the same three or four routes over and over again. This month I'm doing a different route each time. Usually just adding in a new section / hill or doing a circuit the 'wrong' way round.

So far, so good. I certainly seem happier to get out the door.


 
Posted : 16/01/2020 2:55 pm
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Standard Saturday for me.
3.5 miles to parkrun
RD at Dudley parkrun, come and say hello!
10 miles home.

Sunday follows a similar theme.
1.5 miles to junior parkrun
Marshal at junior parkrun
5 miles home.

That’ll take me to 40 ish miles for the week which is about where I want to be for the moment.


 
Posted : 16/01/2020 3:42 pm
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Root - you have far more natural ability than me to be aiming for sub 20 after a few months! Good luck!


 
Posted : 16/01/2020 7:34 pm
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@ root-n-5th

You'll absolutely smash your PB on some flat tarmac, I can pretty much guarantee. A quick scan of the first finish times for the gents and ladies indicates the course is a good bit quicker, although looking at the course record, it's 14:55 set by the Kiwi Paul Martelletti (did I mention that I beat him at York 😀 ) at Victoria Dock, and a whole 1s slower at Nonsuch, set by Kojo Kyreme - that's him trying to massage out some cramp as I passed him on the Embankment at the 2018 London Marathon 🙂

My son wants to do his first junior parkrun on Sunday, so I've registered him and printed him a barcode, and we're off to Wimbledon Park. Hopefully he'll get all the way round. He's only just turned 4 so will be one of the very youngest, so fingers crossed he doesn't get discouraged by much bigger and faster kids shooting off and not being able to keep up.


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 9:49 am
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@ slowpuncheur

I'm on a 10 week course of what says 20,000 on the box, 3 times a week. I'm a little confused by the units, I don't have it in front of me know, but from recollection it says each does is 10,000 the RDA, so pretty high 😮

I went to see my sports rehab/physio guy last night, and he has diagnosed the issue as being an aggravated adductor attachment. Should be treatable with self massage and some specific core exercises. He doesn't think I'll do any damage getting back into running very soon, which is very encouraging 🙂 I'm still going for a pelvis X-ray this afternoon just as a precautionary measure, but fully expecting it to all look fine.


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 9:55 am
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So then. In the Nike store yesterday and tried on a pair of VaporFly’s. Oh. My. God. They feel amazing, and fast stood still. I’ve never felt my credit card twitch so hard. I fear a purchase now is inevitable.


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 10:37 am
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It would seem I failed to actually tag anyone in my previous posts, so in case you haven't seen

@root-n-5th


 
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@slowpuncheur post above with my failed tag 🙂


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 11:35 am
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@lunge I can confirm - believe the hype


 
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@turboferret and @shortbread_fanylion

Thanks, I'll see how it goes. No excuses on the course - flat, wide, tarmac and quiet. Not sure about natural ability, just a stubborn attitude towards making myself suffer and keep on running. I'll probably go out too fast and blow up on 4km, but we'll see. It's not really important but I do find that I enjoy going for targets and goals - adds motivation for me but I realise it's not for everyone. I just feel that I need to get a few achievements when I still can and before I get too old. Also, it would be nice to eventually beat Chris Boardman's time...

I'm trying to get the family to do the parkrun. I volunteered last week as a marshall and took my 15 year old daughter with me and she seemed to enjoy it. Was great cheering people on and it made me think that the people suffering for 45 minutes out there have a much tougher morning than the guys breezing home in 17 minutes, although the guy in second was giving it everything. Hopefully the parkrun karma will be with me tomorrow, about which I am already nervous, embarrassingly.


 
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@lunge

Currently the most popular shoe in my tri club, too.


 
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I can confirm – believe the hype

Currently the most popular shoe in my tri club, too.

You are not helping. There's a small discount on them at a couple of stores too. Pink or green?


 
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I would go for green, but I'm a shy and retiring type.


 
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Looks like the Vaporfly shoes might be banned anyway - unfair advantage. Silly move as they will go straight to number 1 and all the kids will be wanting them.

Aren't shoes an unfair advantage over hobbling around in bare feet?


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 1:55 pm
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What's unfair about them (compared to other shoes)? Or are we talking about the ones with the carbon thing in them?


 
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Don't be starting arguments Root! this is one of the few positive threads on here. 🙂

Started back with the first 5k lunch run of 2020 today, lovely day for it, windy, muddy, but dry and sunny. Happy days.


 
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What’s unfair about them (compared to other shoes)? Or are we talking about the ones with the carbon thing in them?

The carbon plat in them offers some propulsion as a spring which could be argued as being illegal. There's also thoughts on the stack height.
I think they'll allow the current version but try to stop it there to allow others to catch-up.


 
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I'm pretty sure there are different models of Vaporfly, not just the carbon plate ones.

Edit: I'm wrong 🙂


 
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Wouldn’t dream of starting an argument!

Yes the one’s with the carbon spring in the sole. All good fun.


 
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Good news TF. Best to take up the offer of an xray though.

Sorry but I *think* the Nike website has 20% of code somewhere. JAN20 possibly? Tempting..


 
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Interesting to see how this develops and I suspect it is not the off the shelf shoes but some with additional mods that are being considered.

Other shoes have a similar carbon plate and stack height such as the "Hoka Carbon" which have been around for ages and I have a pair (they are actually unworn as I bought them a while ago hoping to race in them if I ever get fit again) stiff soles are very helpfull for me as I have arthritis in one large toe joint...


 
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Interesting to see how this develops and I suspect it is not the off the shelf shoes but some with additional mods that are being considered.

Agree with that, the AlphaFly that Kipchoge ran sub-2 in were apparently full of carbon springs and other oddities, I suspect they may be trying to stop that.


 
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@surfer.. how are you getting on with that lower back pain? I remember your thread a while ago. Was it tight/knotted gluteus medius as I suggested? I'm certain that has been the cause of my pain for the last few months which is now subsiding thankfully. I've been rolling the area with a large foam roller twice a day and using a myofascial release ball on it three times a day plus stretching and generally keeping the area moving about as much as possible.

Looking forward to my 4mile xc run home from work in an hour - I started last week, now running three times a week again for the first time in ages.


 
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@Keva

Much better thanks. Managed a couple of 20+ mile weeks and did a Parkrun in 24:04.... 2 weeks later 22:45 so looking to use them as hard runs and see how much under 20 mins I can get..... still a niggle but doesnt seem to get much worse with the runs but my fitness is unbelievably bad.. I did find that "bridge" ecercises helped a lot.
Good luck with your comeback 🙂


 
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Just back from my first run in the hills in about 2 months - muddy, cold and rather good fun!


 
Posted : 17/01/2020 5:03 pm
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Interested to see whether the IAAF or whoever ban carbon plates in running shoes at it was the same argument that was tried to ban disabled runners with blades from running against able-bodied?


 
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If I may be allowed to drag the conversation downstairs again, what are you gentlemen using for undies?

I have previously worn running shorts with integrated liner, but now need some separate synthetic undies to go with some other garments.

Are the £4 ones from Decathlon decent enough?


 
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I personally think that the inserts in shoes should be steel, quick release and 26”. Sorted. Carbon is the work of the devil I tell you.

I got a pack of 3 “compression” under shorts that are a bit like thin cycling shorts. Quite cheap from amazon, wasn’t expecting much but I find them, well it’s hard to describe, but I just don’t notice them at all. Keeps the bits in place but don’t squeeze too much. Medium was compression, but I went large for a gentle caress.


 
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