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8 weeks to get from low activity to capable of run/walking a 50 miler. Long days in the hills? I've no expectations of a decent time.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 10:17 am
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@mrsheen - just time on your feet really. If the 50 miler is hilly then get some hills in your training otherwise you'll suffer.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 10:29 am
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What's the event Mrsheen?


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 10:30 am
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Thanks @whitestone.

@Spin- it's the Bullock smithy hike. I've done it before but work has left me knackered this year.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 10:34 am
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If you've done it before 8 weeks should be enough time.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 12:06 pm
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Did my first ultra yesterday 32 miles with 4500ft of climbing, really enjoyed it and feel amazingly fresh today, took a wrong turn so added a bit extra on doh.. and it had to be on a hill lol. First time I'd been over 24 miles so very pleased indeed time of 6hr50


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:19 pm
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Some epic stories here 👍👍

Just a simple Shipwrights Way jack for me today, 22k down hill (not quite, but was heading to the coast)

Mrs picked me up just outside of QECP, said I looked “tired” didn’t feel it.. it was harder than I expected though.

Odd today, the car said 22C yet it felt cold running 🤷‍♂️

I’m in the pub sipping a pint now and my legs are feeling ok, just.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:27 pm
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Has anyone on here done a Paddy Buckley or have much knowledge of the route? I'm thinking about having a go at the start of August.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:49 pm
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Well done firestarter!


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 9:52 am
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Well I managed my little milestone on Saturday (although nothing like as impressive as some recent posts on here) - managed to go <24 minutes at the ParkRun with an official 23.57 (although Strava timed it at 23.48). Well chuffed 🙂


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:00 am
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Good stuff sir!.

I'm for a go at the sub 20 next saturday, we have a local parkrun that's not really a parkrun at all, it's on a pancake flat promenade along Troon beachfront, as long as it's not too windy it's a quick one.

There's a young lad there who's 13 and goes sub 18 pretty much every week, inpressive stuff!.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:02 am
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@Spin - I've done bits of it and supported a couple of attempts and had one attempt myself. We used to live near Llanberis so walked/ran quite a lot in the area.

Nav wise I'd say the hardest bits (assuming you are going clockwise) are: getting on to Moel Hebog; getting off Y Garn down to Pont Cae Gors and up on to Craig Wen (depends on PCG being occupied/in use); the descent off Moel Eilio into Llanberis and then the route up through the quarries onto Elidir Fach and Fawr. Then it's working out which of all the bumps and outcrops on the ridge from Moel Siabod is one of the required summits.

Getting onto and off Bwlch y Ddwy Elor is very rough, there might be a track these days but when I made my attempt it was chest high bracken hiding fridge sized boulders!


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:10 am
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There’s a young lad there who’s 13 and goes sub 18 pretty much every week

Yeah I occasionally get passed by kids of that age (and younger). Massively impressive.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:14 am
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Off camping today with the boy so it'll be an enforced week's rest. My hip needs it, did 10k in the hills yesterday and walked most. Rubbish. Whatever fitness I've built up is steadily going down the pan over the last month or so, need to get it sorted.
Flights booked to the UK so planning my first ever fell racing season 😉
Wondering if any of you lot are doing these: Rydal Round
Kentmere
Turner Landscape
Steel Fell
Would be good to put faces to names if so.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:27 am
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Bob, I'd love to do a proper Lakeland fell race this year, keep yer plans up here!.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:32 am
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Cheers nobeer


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 10:36 am
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Thanks for that Whitestone, I'll look at it with a map in front of me later.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:32 pm
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Bob, I’d love to do a proper Lakeland fell race this year, keep yer plans up here!.

Will do, if I can fix this hip. Was supposed to do the Anniversary Waltz at Easter but had a 'mare with the hire car and missed it. So still to pop my cherry.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 7:41 pm
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Had a holiday in cumbria a fortnight ago, awesome place for trail running but managed to go over my ankle badly, nonetheless recovered sufficiently to have a pop at the Ythan challenge trail run last weekend (so called because you have to wade across the river Ythan up to chest deep) was 7th last year.. and 7th again this time in a time 15s faster, all told happy enough with that


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 8:47 pm
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Just entered Harrogate 10k on Sunday - it will be the longest I have run since I got a bad injury (on the road from where some of this event takes place) over two years ago. And the sun will be shining 🙂


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:00 am
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Quite getting into these fell races after doing my first a couple of weeks back! Shrigley Stag on Saturday in very warm weather - was about 10k and reasonably hilly - wanted to get under an hour and did 54mins which is only a couple of minutes slower than my best 10k road time (not that there's many to compare to!).
Hope Wakes last night but totally screwed up the start! It was better organised than the previous 2 races I'd done - proper dibbers and lots of very serious folk around and I got quite intimidated so started at the back. I ended up in traffic on all the narrow sections where passing folk was hard. I doubt it made a huge difference to my time, but I did leave feeling I could have been much higher up the results table...


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:16 am
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On a separate note - eating strategy for Park Runs?? Even having breakfast about 6:30 still feels like I've a load of porridge / muesli slopping around when I start at 9am. I generally don't eat if I'm running early but is that a good strategy for going quick?


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:19 am
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I don't bother for parkrun, mibbe a banana and a coffee, I've enough fuel to do 5k I reckon!.


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:27 am
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I have never eaten before a ParkRun. I usually get up at about 8.15, get dressed, feed the dog then head off.


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:28 am
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Coffee has to be at least an hour beforehand, to get the mouse over the counter before it causes any bother!


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:34 am
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You shouldn’t need fuel for 5k. Cup of coffee should be fine.


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:42 am
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eating strategy for Park Runs

Don't, I never do.
I guess if you must then maybe a cereal/energy bar 45 minutes before would be fine. But for 5k you're fine doing it on empty.


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 11:43 am
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Good stuff, thanks folks. I definitely like to be up in enough time to lighten the load before running though. No one needs a "Paula" on a parkrun...


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 12:02 pm
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I'm planning on setting a Guinness World Record as the fastest 5km with a pram on 29th July. Not hard as there isn't one currently listed on their website 😀


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 12:15 pm
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Beware Guinness and their rules......you may have seen a bit of a furore a few months ago after my sister’s attempt to break the marathon record in a nurses uniform was ruled out, as she wasn’t dressed as a 1930’s nurse. Subsequently ruled ok after social media got into it!

So make sure your pram isn’t anything modern and fancy. Probably be a minimum weight for your baby too 😂


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 2:01 pm
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I am aware that there are some potential pitfalls, like the woman who ran a marathon wearing about 100 T-shirts but wasn't fast enough. Pram is pretty old-school and my son is about 16kg, so no worries on those fronts. I have actually been offered the loan of a lighter child if I wanted, but on a flat course weight shouldn't be too much of an issue. I doubt my intended time of around 16:30 will stand for long as the current records for 10k and half marathon are fairly punchy even for running unimpeded!


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 2:16 pm
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Spin, were you looking after Jamie last weekend on the RR? After duty at the West Highland Way race, I was asleep in the Premier on Sunday afternoon when she arrived and joined the beer garden, post-race party so didn't get to catch up with how it had gone.


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 2:19 pm
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@turboferret - I reckon you have a sub 16 in you for this, keep the heavier child for momentum I reckon...


 
Posted : 27/06/2019 2:47 pm
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I’m running my first 10k on Sunday am. Any tips? Relatively new to running and been through c25k this spring. Done 8 k before but not pushed to 10k. What about eating Sunday am? Event is at 9!


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 9:27 am
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I would have brekkie around 7am. Normal stuff. Leaves plenty of time for a dump. As for event just pace it, you can always speed up. Harder if you go out too hard!


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 9:32 am
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First 10k? start slow, don't get carried away with what others are doing, it's better IMO to start slow and get faster than to go too fast and die a thousand deaths trying to maintain it.

Enjoy.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 9:49 am
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Too hot at the track sesh last night, supposed to be 10x500, 7 was enough. Legs were heavy after an awesome group hill run up the locals on wednesday night, amazing night for it!

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Posted : 28/06/2019 9:51 am
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I’m running my first 10k on Sunday am. Any tips? Relatively new to running and been through c25k this spring. Done 8 k before but not pushed to 10k. What about eating Sunday am? Event is at 9!

What shortbread_fanylion says - eat a normal breakfast at least two hours before the event, and take a bottle of water along beforehand to make sure you're properly hydrated if it's hot.

My tips:
- Check the timetable for when you need to get there to sort out the race bib etc.
- Take toilet paper along if you're planning on using the race toilets 🙂
- if it's going to be hot&humid or wet apply vaseline to your nipples.
- don't get too caught up in the start, try and pace yourself a bit
- if there's water on offer at the 5km mark drink some if you're thirsty, but for a 10K you're unlikely to really need it.
- enjoy yourself 🙂


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 10:14 am
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My only experience of running a 10k race was that I ate too much and had a stitch until about 7k! I had a big bowl of porridge about 06:30 and the race started at 10 or 10:30 and I felt bloated all the way around. 2hrs wouldn't be enough time to digest a normal breakfast for me - I had muesli, yoghurt and some fruit about 06:45 this morning and no way I'd be ready to do a 10k now (at 0935!).


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 10:37 am
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Well this weekend is the lairig ghru.

Anyone else from here going ?

Suddenly I don't feel as ready as I did. Mostly due to an injury from old shoes - (I think) - they had done 600k and then I did a 10k race in them and never really got over it.

My trail shoes are 5 runs old so nicely broken in but I can't help feeling had this race been in may I'd have been ready.

As was I've not run in any capacity really since the 10k. Which was June 9th.

So fight for the cut off then settle into my own race is the plan.

Feed , fuel and ignore is the plan.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 10:37 am
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You'll be fine mate, it's just the fear kicking in!


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 11:25 am
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I’m running my first 10k on Sunday am. Any tips?

2 options.
1. Do what I do which is think you can hold on to 10 seconds per mile off 5k pace for twice the distance, get to 6k, crash heavily, crawl home, nearly cry as you cross then finish line. You then vow never to run a 10k again and wonder why your times are crap at that distance.
2. Start slower than you think you should, a good 1 minute per mile slower than 5k pace and than push on in the second half. Still aim to finish on your hands and knees, but with a good negative split.

Your call.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 11:26 am
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Spin, were you looking after Jamie last weekend on the RR? After duty at the West Highland Way race

Yes, I did the first leg with her then joined them for the last two hills on the Mamores. Great effort from her to come in at 23:51.


 
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Sorry to have missed that part of the weekend but after nearly 60 hours straight on duty, I was beat. Top effort all round, both by Jamie Aarons herself and the crew; must be some great memories there.
At the 'training and inspiration night' in Stirling last winter, Jamie presented an excellent talk on the dangers of rhabdomyolysis for ultra runners. For anyone interested in doing long distance events, the YouTube content is well worth looking up. It's sliced up into several sections under various titles around West Highland Way race 2019. We had another fairly significant rhabdo case at the WHW race last weekend; yet again, it was an experienced runner with previous finishes. I'm just waiting to get a promised report to post on the race FB pages, to help folk identify this when it begins to take hold.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:05 pm
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She was telling me her rhabdo story on the way up the Ben. We had a right good gas on that first leg! I really enjoyed supporting a successful round and great to see someone giving it that kind of effort.


 
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