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Any recommendations for a good sports physio and/or massagers in Edinburgh or around? Guy I used to use was brilliant but has stopped now.
I know about FASIC (and yes, the "massagers" down in Leith!!) but wondering about others. Mainly to do with various running injuries etc.
Ta in advance.
I really like Physis on Morrison St.
The physio I saw there was Ola Szyszc-
zakiewicz (Shis-tra-kay-o-vich). Very modern outlook, was doing a PhD when I attended, really helped me get my head around my low back issues.
I do 70 ish miles per week and only step foot in the gym when I’m injured and in rehab.
Like many above, I find it mind numbing and will avoid it at all costs. My wife spends hours there and I just don’t understand the appeal.
Saying that, I don wonder if doing a bit of it would help, but can’t bring my self to try.
13thfloormonk, cheers, she sound great. Will check her out. Ta. Might need to practise the pronunciation a bit though!!
I do enjoy a good kettlebell or bodyweight workout, not just lifting weights per se, mixing it up a bit definitely helps.
30 minute kettlebell sesh tonight far from boring!.
I can't stand gyms, but then I run, bike, kayak and do Pilates and Yoga so I feel like I'm relatively well rounded in amongst that stuff.
Pre pandemic I used the free gym at work. Mainly did core, then squats, deadlifts etc. Pretty basic things.
Found it helped with maintaining technique and proper posture when I got tired and felt stronger on long climbs and descents.
Personally think it worked for me. I imagine milage may vary depending on type of running. I think more benefit for ultra and longer fell and trail type races. Your 5/10km road will probably benefit more from another run.
There's definitely a benefit, without question. Guy from my old club has been absolutely hammering the gym stuff for a year now, he was always a good runner, but this last while he's been exceptional, was 6th in the Cape Wrath ultra recently. He's in his 50's as well.
I'm 52, with WFH for 18 months. Endless Zoom calls, I just drop to the floor and do various press ups/sits ups throughout the day, before you know it 200 boxed off Biggest benefit to me is calf raises stood at my desk. Every little helps.
@nobeerinthefridge How do you know?
There is an opportunity cost to training. If you are doing one thing you can't be doing another. If you do 10k of intense interval work you can't immediately follow that with a 15 mile threshold run to compare alternative training methods.
The more specific the training is to the activity the better. Other types of training are always likely to have some benefit however never as much as the activity itself.
Older athletes may want to introduce gym sessions but that is as much due to the fact that they can't increase their mileage due to the greater liklihood of injury. Most of the athletes I know continue to increase their mileage up until the point they approach illness/injury and exhaustion. Once they reach that point, and assuming that is including the necessary quality, then they try to remain consistent.
Bit of a PSA, Nike members sale is on and they have VaporFly’s for dirt cheap if you can deal with the gyakusou colours.
How do you know?
Well, you don't really, but pretty much every top level athlete these days do a fair amount of conditioning, so there is that.
Cheers lunge, will have a look. Been neglecting my running recently and bunged up with a cold this week but looking forward to some autumnal cooler evening runs.
@nobeerinthefridge so nothing other than your assertions then. OK.
On the other hand here is a random snapshot of Steve Ovetts training. Olympic champion and multiple world record holder. All of his work was running.
How do you know he wasn't just a one off? It's the exact same thing, we'll never know. 😉
Maybe if he's done some conditioning, we'd never have heard of Coe.
The more specific the training is to the activity the better. Other types of training are always likely to have some benefit however never as much as the activity itself.
You probably ought to let Farah and Kipchoge know that the time they spend weight training is wasted, then. I bet they're going to feel stupid!
Cheers lunge, will have a look. Been neglecting my running recently and bunged up with a cold this week but looking forward to some autumnal cooler evening runs.
I've picked up some Vomero's and some Peg trails that should keep me going for most of the winter.
I’ve picked up some Vomero’s and some Peg trails that should keep me going for most of the winter.
lol how many pairs of shoes do you have now???
lol how many pairs of shoes do you have now???
Err, in terms of shoes that I actually run in...
2 x Nike Vaporfly - 1 almost new, 1 180 miles old and on their way out
2 x Adidas SL20 - 1 in box, 1 300 miles
2 x Nike Pegasus 36 - 1 in box, 1 400 miles
1 x Nike Pegasus 36 shield - 50 or so miles in them, only really use them in the winter
1 x Nike Streak 7 - 200 miles in them and I really want another pair but can't find any
1 x Nike React Miler - Dull shoes for slow runs, 350 miles done
1 x Nike Pegasus 38 - New ish, 50 miles or so
1 x Kalenji XT7 - Shoes for filth, 150 miles ish?
1 x ASICS Cumulus 20 GTX - Barely worn, basically they're only used to marshal at winter parkruns
1 x Nike Terra Kiger - Mud pluggers, but not as good as the Kalenji's
1 x Nike Zoom Rival spikes - Spikes, specialist kit
This obviously ignores the 8 or so pairs that have been retired and need taking to a charity shop...
Plus the 2 I've just bought. I've not bought any new ones for 3 or 4 months so why not?
@mogrim when you are running 150 miles per week you have pretty much done all the specific training your body can handle. Doing a 45 minute light weight session is more than likely just "active rest" if you are running 30 miles per week you will get more out of increasing your miles first.
Usain bolt did 90 minutes gym work every day and ran pretty quick.
@mogrim when you are running 150 miles per week you have pretty much done all the specific training your body can handle. Doing a 45 minute light weight session is more than likely just “active rest” if you are running 30 miles per week you will get more out of increasing your miles first.
I agree, up to a point - but you need to take into account the amount of time available, and the bang for your buck. I've got a gym that's less than 2min away from my front door, and it's ideal for a quick 30min session at lunchtime. I'm pretty sure that's more use to me (with my general focus on long distance trail running) than a 30min run.
I'd also argue that if getting faster/better at running isn't your main focus, but rather it's part of a general "do some exercise" plan for life, then in that case 2-3 running sessions a week and 1 day at the gym is probably better for you than adding another running session, particularly as you get older.
And theres not many folk on here who run 150 miles a week, as such it's not a stretch to say most of us on this thread would benefit from some conditioning.
Just finished my first ever 10k, i had set myself a personal target of completing it in sub 50 minutes and crossed the line in 48.20, so pretty happy with that overall.
Awesome work Bass, that’s a cracking time.
Has anyone ever had a soleus injury? Mine is a little tender and with 2 weeks until marathon time I want to be on top of it.
Fair play bazz that’s good going. I’m hoping to get out this evening for some trail miles to get the last of the sun. Got a bit of an Achilles problem though. Pain is like a blister feeing but no inflammation or blister at all, been like this since I hiked a week or so ago. Pain goes away after 10 minutes running
What a glorious weekend!
Took my youngest up to my home town of Market Harborough this weekend, and did the local parkrun at an easy pace. Couldn’t resist a cheeky sprint and took fastest of the day on that!
Brilliant trail half today, Sunday, called the Clipston trail half. Rolling hills, no flat, involved running across ploughed fields. Planned to run on heart rate, but the uphill 3k stopped that plan so I just ran and enjoyed it. And I really did enjoy it, apart from maybe the last 2k of ploughed fields, but a brilliant local event. Came 21/86 with a 1:47:44. I was 9th in age 40-50, and the strange thing is the first 35-39 runner came in at 26, slower than me! There’s a lot of us older blokes doing this stuff, and doing it well. What a weekend!
Well done @bazz, top running. Keep at it peoples, it’s a great thing we do and long may it last. For me, I feel very honoured to be able to run and take part in these events and I just go out and enjoy it now. I’m getting older and it won’t last forever.
It was the Southern 6-Stage road relays this weekend, hastily relocated to Milton Keynes from Crystal Palace after the original organisers cancelled it with a poor excuse 9 days in advance! The biggest insult you can deliver in a relay is not being ready in time to hand over from your preceding runner, guess who did that yesterday 😮 Fortunately I spotted him at the last moment and sprinted off only losing us a maximum of a second in the process, but had the officials been harsh I could have handed our team a penalty.... Despite this sub-optimal start I managed the fastest leg of our team and we came in 7th overall, which we were fairly happy with, given that we were missing some of our strongest guys. One literal hurdle was encountering this robot delivery thing on a corner!
Now a nice easy week before London 😀
You do well to run so quickly given you have one leg amputated at the knee.
The question is though, did you smash the robot into the weeds with the rest of the competitors or did it provide decent pace making facilities?
saves me a fortune in shoes though
😁
@alanf unfortunately it was purely an exercise in obstacle avoidance, and I didn't realise what it was at the time, I thought the guy standing next to it was driving it, and it was a remote controlled car of some sort. Apparently the guy was a photographer and it was driving itself...
I came 21st overall out of the 257, some very classy runners out yesterday, not unhappy.
My name’s lunge and I have a shoe problem.
This’ll be news to no one but let me tell you a story.
Having ordered a couple of new pairs in the Nike sale, Mrs Lunge suggested a trip to an outlet village today, an outlet village with a Nike discount store. Said store had Pegasus 36’s, the perfect daily trainer, for a frankly ridiculous price. So, obviously, I had to pick up a couple of pairs.
On the way home, we stopped at a TK Maxx. And what do you know, they had a pair of Adidas SL20’s, my favourite fast trainer of the last year for £35.
So, I’ve now bought 5 pairs of trainers in 4 days. I suspect at roast 1 pair will need to go back…
I’m pretty sure that’s more use to me (with my general focus on long distance trail running) than a 30min run.
As I said, if you mileage is "low" say <60 MPW then an additional 30 minute run (at a higher speed for example) would benefit your running more IMO than a 30 minute session in the gym. If you are running high mileage then a gym session may be useful but only once you have done as much event specific work as you can. If you are running high mileage you may be better spending the extra 30 mins in bed.
I’d also argue that if getting faster/better at running isn’t your main focus
Thats all I am talking about. People can do whatever makes them happy and good luck. I am only giving my opinion on what I think is optimal training for someone trying to get faster, as a middle/long distance runner (not a sprinter)
And theres not many folk on here who run 150 miles a week, as such it’s not a stretch to say most of us on this thread would benefit from some conditioning.
Thats not what I said. I said if you are running low mileage you would get more benefit running more miles instead of a non specific session such as in the gym or on the bike etc. All of those things are fun and good for your health but if your intention is to become as good a middle/long distance runner as you can then IMO the best use of your time is running more and faster miles and put all your effort into that, and recovering. Once you are at your max (which can be difficult to know) but assuming you body can withstand 90 mpw then a weights session may be fine if you can fit it in but not in place of a quality session which is likely to make you a faster runner.
Hello all, have lurked here for a while and now I'm after a bit of advice.
Have started getting a bit of hip pain in the last couple of weeks and while I'm resting the injury I just want a bit of reassurance on what to address when I get back to running. I'm running 2-3 times a week, mostly 5k at a time. It's just for general wellbeing reasons rather than trying to go fast or whatever. It's about 30% tarmac, 50% landy track, 20% softer stuff.
Here's what I'm thinking:
- It's almost certainly caused by running in 10 year old shoes. They're Adidas Kanadia so a slightly cushioned trail shoe. I'm guessing some gait analysis and new shoes from a good shop should help.
- Core strength & flexibility is pretty good already. I do Yoga most days - I'm just focusing on recovering at the moment but will likley spend a bit more time stretching the hips in future.
- I don't *think* I'm overtraining. I eased back slowly into running after a good few years off.
Anything else I should think of? I'm reasonably convinced its knackered shoes -> knackered body but open to suggestions.
@turboferret - seeing that thing mid corner would have certainly put me off my stride. It's how I imagine meals on wheels being delivered in the future!
21st but how many of those are v40s - I would think not many if any?
I can see on Runbritain that you're ranked 4th in the UK overall... Pretty damned impressive sir.
I may see you at the London start, I presume you'll be in the first batch away 9:30-9:33 start?
First time I've ran as much as 5 miles in ages, been a bit lazy for, well, about 6 months! Felt good actually, progressively faster which was nice, especially after a couple of hard days hillwalking. The STW christmas 100 day thingy has got me my mojo back, about time too.
@alanf there was 1 V35 3 seconds ahead of me, I think everyone else was a senior, so not doing too badly for an old fart.
I think I'm 4th V40 over 5k this year, 7th all-time, although that is just from when electronic records have been collated. Hopefully climb up the marathon rankings a bit in a week too.
I am indeed running of the championships start, that is my window, although as it's a championship race for me, its gun time not chip to count, so being at the front at the start is key! Good luck - have you received your finish bag in the post yet? I haven't...
Here’s what I’m thinking:
– It’s almost certainly caused by running in 10 year old shoes. They’re Adidas Kanadia so a slightly cushioned trail shoe. I’m guessing some gait analysis and new shoes from a good shop should help.
– Core strength & flexibility is pretty good already. I do Yoga most days – I’m just focusing on recovering at the moment but will likley spend a bit more time stretching the hips in future.
– I don’t *think* I’m overtraining. I eased back slowly into running after a good few years off.
1. Shoes are a maybe for me, and as above, I don’t need much excuse to suggest new shoes. Some newer shoes may help, and given you can pick up a decent pair for £100 there no harm in trying that. Buy from Nike direct snd they’ll let you run in the shoes for 30 days and return if you don’t like them.
I remain unconvinced about gait analysis, particularly in a place that also sells shoes. I would just buy a good pair of cushioned, neutral shoes and see where you end up. Nike Pegasus (even numbers only, 37’s are not a good shoe) or Vomero will see you right, as will the React Infinity.
Core, sounds like you’re sorted, no issues there.
Overtraining. This’d be my guess, a cycling for body can make running feel easier than it is. Build up slower than you think and stretch lots.
Hypochondria. May be an option. Every runner is always injured a little bit, o can’t remember the last time I ran with zero discomfort at some point in the runner, it’s just the way it is.
I remain unconvinced about gait analysis, particularly in a place that also sells shoes
I'm gonna buy from a shop anyway so I can try on loads of shoes. Have had lots of experience of buying the wrong shoes online.
I’m gonna buy from a shop anyway so I can try on loads of shoes. Have had lots of experience of buying the wrong shoes online.
I’ve had pretty poor experiences in those kind of shops, so you’ll have to excuse my cynicism. If you want your gait analysised then a podiatrist or physio who don’t sell shoes seem a more impartial option to me.
I now tend to buy from places that let me try the shoes and send them back even if worn, Nike and Hoka are 2 that I know let you do this. Try them for a few runs, keep them if you like them, send them back for a full refund if you don’t. If you know roughly the kind of shoe you want then you can order a few pairs and try them out.
@turboferret - pretty impressive stuff and I'm sure you'll improve your marathon time on Sunday. I received my bag on Saturday morning, but I think they said it would be delivered between Monday and Wednesday or maybe it was posted between Monday and Wednesday? Club night last night and an innocuous 8 miler with a few club mates has left me with a very tight / sore / broken calf which is very angry this morning. It's going to be a long week hoping it settles down for Sunday, but I think any ambition of a PB is now pretty much out of the window. Bugger...