Rejoin the EU’
I'd be willing to put a sizeable wager that if 100 randomly chosen UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform voters and another 100 randomly chosen pro rejoin the EU voters were given 5 minutes each to put their case for their views and judged not on if you agree with them but purely on the nuance, the sophistication, their ability to acknowledge the pros and the cons of their standpoint and their ability to back it up with facts and not hyperbole, that the pro brexit mob would not be showering themselves in glory. That they have more likely come to their viewpoint based on emotion and done precious little to read around their opinion or critically test it against others.
Starting well near me.
Is that the holocaust denier? There’s also a partner & child abuser been elected.
Think there’s another whose solution to potholes is to fill them with melted down Nigerians.
Edit, ah, no, that’s the chap you are talking about.
Rejoin the EU’
I partially am this November - full Erasmus restarts. Time for my organisation to get back to €300,000 of income from Europe...
I think GB News has been a massive factor in swaying a lot of older voters towards Reform. My mother in law watches it avidly and has been convinced that Farage is the saviour of the country. She is totally unaware about issues such as the threat to the NHS, Brexit causing small boat crossings to increase, links with Russia etc.
She has six grand children and four of them appealed to her not to vote Reform because of cuts to workers rights, changes to minimum wage etc. but she dismissed all these due to being brainwashed by watching that propaganda outlet for 4+ hours per day.
I'd forgotten GB News. It's the classic populist authoritarian move isn't it, to own or control media channels. He's positioned his side well there. Will Ofcom deal with it or will Reform deal with Ofcom under some 'free speech' story?
It has nothing to do with ofcom GBNews doesn’t have a licence to broadcast news. It’s an entertainment channel legally so it doesn’t have to abide by any impartiality requirements.
It’s an entertainment channel legally so it doesn’t have to abide by any impartiality requirements.
That’s exactly the problem - it calls itself entertainment while pumping out political propaganda. Ofcom or whoever could intervene and insist that its sham description is not valid, but they don’t.
“We’re not a news channel”.
G B News
All part of the big con.
I have a near psychopathic hatred for GBnews. The people presenting that show are just totally beyond any moral standard.
Dawn Neeson. Spent her entire career writing hate stories aimed at everyone from single mothers to the unemployed, from the disabled to every ethnic minority.
Any news that hasnt yet identified a perpetrator they try to link to minorities, or if its not a minority, they then do linking stories to asylum seekers, and have driven the hate towards the Islamic faith in this country.
GBnews has had a number of staff sacked for sexual harassment, bulling and misogyny and even uninvited sexual touching, though not all, as GB News paid a five-figure sum to an employee who threatened an employment claim involving alleged sexual harassment against its chief executive, Angelos Frangopoulos.
That particular scumbag is still employed by them. The young Woman he harassed had to sign a non disclosure agreement.
They can be easily described as a parallel to the Nazi propaganda of the 1930's and 40's.
I have similar feelings to the daily mail. Currently they're a mouthpiece for the Israeli government, which is ironic really as Joseph Goebbels praised the Daily Mail personally in some of his speeches, thanking them for their support to the Nazi party and for their antisemitism.
I wholeheartedly believe these people are a danger to democracy and the ideals of democracy itself.
GBnews has had a number of staff sacked for sexual harassment, bulling and misogyny and even uninvited sexual touching, though not all, as GB News paid a five-figure sum to an employee who threatened an employment claim involving alleged sexual harassment against its chief executive, Angelos Frangopoulos.
That particular scumbag is still employed by them. The young Woman he harassed had to sign a non disclosure agreement.
I’ve got some horrible news for you about both BBC and ITV…
chief executive, Angelos Frangopoulos
We're not racist one of top men has has a forin name.
I wholeheartedly believe these people are a danger to democracy and the ideals of democracy itself.
While the idea of a larger Reform party nationally is pretty nightmarish, can we just remind ourselves that they've been voted in to look after the bins, rather than scrapping the NHS or reversing discrimination laws.
Said the frog, as it noticed the water it was in was getting a little warmer.
And having these vocal anti-Reformers spewing their hate is certainly not encouraging people to alter their views on Reform.
TBH I’m all for Reform but not the version being sold by a bunch of grifters, who will happily walk away from the mess they leave.
At the end of the day Farage and the rest of the gang don’t have to live in it and will be just sit around the pool sipping daiquiris somewhere warmer.
TBH I do take my hat off to Farage for getting people to vote him onto that MEP gig for 20 years that’s a master stroke in grifting, I’d have never thought of that one a really good wage ,expenses and pension to die for and in one of the best places for beer drinking and eating 🙂
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
Should leave them all too busy/tired to work for Amazon/Deliveroo, and help to bring council taxes down at the same time.
While the idea of a larger Reform party nationally is pretty nightmarish, can we just remind ourselves that they've been voted in to look after the bins, rather than scrapping the NHS or reversing discrimination laws.
Well, yes, but, "we knew what we were voting for."
The actuality of it is as you suggest, the local elections are about little more than bins, potholes and dog poo. Of course it is. But it's very evident from comments across the web that this is not largely why people voted for Reform. For most of them - or to be fair, most of them with sufficient gumption to be running their virtual mouths off on the Internet about it - failed to grasp the difference between LEs and a GE and are currently happier than pigs in shit because they believe (again) that we're about to start sending all the darkies back where they came from.
Intellectual heavyweights, clearly. 🙄
I wholeheartedly believe these people are a danger to democracy and the ideals of democracy itself.
While the idea of a larger Reform party nationally is pretty nightmarish, can we just remind ourselves that they've been voted in to look after the bins, rather than scrapping the NHS or reversing discrimination laws.
Yep, normally no one GAS about the locals (unless there’s something going on in their constituency)but now it’s a big deal.
Labours got 3(?) years to wow the voters or play swapsy with the leader.
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
Why aren't you arguing that for any benefits recipient? Or at least the ones that have never done a day's work in their lives? 🤔
Good choices (for those briefs).
Jesus man are you serious? You really think wheeling out Gordon Brown and Harriet Harman will materially change anything for the working people of the UK? It's classic Starmer and clear demonstration that he's completely out of his depth in the world of politics.
"Why aren't you arguing that for any benefits recipient?"
Like pensioners ,😉
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
And their free cars and free iPhones of course. Or maybe we could process their applications promptly so they can do the more productive work they are often trained for. They’d still be brown of course, but you can’t have everything.
vs angry man on bike forum shouting at clouds...
Oh I'm not angry, opinionated maybe, but I long ago learned the art of not getting angry at stuff I can't change. I try to maintain my position/illusion of being a detached observer with no skin in the game.
I maintain though that Keir Starmer doesn't seem to be very good at politics. Two years into govt with a thumping, unchallengeable majority and he's universally seen as not having done very much. That probably tells us all we need to know.
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
They probably would, but they aren't allowed to work.
They probably would, but they aren't allowed to work.
Pretty sure kevog and his fellow travellers don't want them to work, instead they just want to bring back slave labour.
They probably would, but they aren't allowed to work.
I watched a Insta video at the weekend, in which a chap confidently opined that immigrants are handed £5000 to open a shop. He was completely convinced this was a thing, everything else; fake news
Was that a chap on benefits? Or couldn't claim as he'd been recently released from prison? I saw similar waffle on instagram and was amazed at how sure these people are of stuff that has zero truth in it.
I maintain though that Keir Starmer doesn't seem to be very good at politics.
I would suggesting an alarmingly large number of our politicians are not very good at politics. An issue which seems to impact some other countries too.
I maintain though that Keir Starmer doesn't seem to be very good at politics.
Clearly he is good at politics. What he’s bad at is running a country and being a decent human being.
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
Should leave them all too busy/tired to work for Amazon/Deliveroo, and help to bring council taxes down at the same time.
Apart from the fact that asylum seekers are not allowed to work, you may be better off blaming Amazon and Deliveroo for illegally employing people if that is what they are doing.
Blaming asylum seekers and immigrants for the woes of the country is ignoring the truth of the matter: privatisation, overseas businesses and individuals taking profits out of the country and massively underfunding regional governments and local councils has done far, far more damage than a few 'invaders'.
Starting well near me.
Is that the holocaust denier? There’s also a partner & child abuser been elected.
Think there’s another whose solution to potholes is to fill them with melted down Nigerians.
Edit, ah, no, that’s the chap you are talking about.
Absolutely vile person, how did he even get passed vetting, or was this a wanted personality trait?!
Being kicked out of Reform for being too racist is an achievement.
Ah wait, I see it now. They were too openly racist.
In Cannock there were 12 wards and Reform basically got more votes than all the other parties combined and were within 100-200 where this was'n't the case with a turnout between 33% and 43% which is quite high,Its been as low as 25% a few years ago.
Had a lot of conversations before where the accepted wisdom was the reverse and took comfort in that, but this weekend quiet a few of the left leaning people as well as being downhearted have also said the they feel politically homeless with this Labour party.
I have no answers for how to neutralise Reform other than people resigning as they have to attend meetings due to hung councils and its possibly 3 years to a general Election.
What he’s bad at is (running a country and) being a decent human being.
Really. I am no admirer and he seems to trip up every month, but that seems to me, pretty vicious when he is trying to run a country with no money to spare and sinking under the weight of ‘I want’ and ‘someone else should pay’.
Current state of play smells very 70’s which, despite the great music, I can assure you was grim.
Starmer’s tax dodging salary when he was DPP, I agree was ridiculously/repugnantly hypocritical, even so.
Im watching a thing on netflix called Legends.
Its about customs and excise infiltrating organized crime groups in the 80's with undercover officers.
Thats what we need to sort out reform once and for all.
As above, that creature was too openly racist, and we're all sure that in private dear leader and others will spout the type of thing that would get him suspended or even removed from office.
As long as people are struggling to earn a living or to maintain their livelihood, no matter who is in power is screwed.
Voters will take their chances to vote for whoever promises short-term relief as long as those those promises are kept, but once those promises are exhausted with no improvement, another change will happen. That is the current state most countries are facing. The same will apply to Reform etc. They can blame immigration etc but if there is no improvement, they will be out as quickly as they came in.
Voters will take their chances to vote for whoever promises short-term relief as long as those those promises are kept, but once those promises are exhausted with no improvement, another change will happen. That is the current state most countries are facing. The same will apply to Reform etc. They can blame immigration etc but if there is no improvement, they will be out as quickly as they came in.
I’m struggling to be sanguine about Nige and Co. People are disenfranchised and it’s been that way for a long time, that was the same sentiment that brought Boris to power and all that ensued.
Now we find ourselves with SKS in power failing to deliver on the ‘change’ promised and repeating many of the mistakes of the last 2 decades all over again.
Labour basically have two years to head off a RUK or RUK/Tory coalition, they’re forced into a defensive position.
Current state of play smells very 70’s which, despite the great music, I can assure you was grim.
Might have been grim for you but by some measures people were at their happiest in the 70's. Financially, inequality was also at it lowest which may be linked or maybe it was the time where technology was okay but before the time it was absorbing.
Meanwhile, the Reform chap for Doncaster wants to set up a department for tracking aliens. No, not that kind.
Might have been grim for you but by some measures people were at their happiest in the 70's.
Of course they were. They were children.
Its about customs and excise infiltrating organized crime groups in the 80's with undercover officers.
Pretty good viewing. I had a mate who was a DHSS fraud officer in the late 80 and answered an advert in the civil service internal magazine for people with surveillance skills, he found himself shitting into a bag as he camped in a deserted warehouse waiting for a particular lorry to show, which it did, he took photos, and that was it. It wasn't anything like as exciting as the telly!!
Perhaps we can make the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers empty the bins (and hand sort the recycling) in return for their free food and housing?
They probably would, but they aren't allowed to work.
Unless they’ve changed it,they were only allowed to work after one year,just checked and it’s now:
Asylum Seekers: In the UK, asylum seekers can generally apply for permission to work only after 12 months of waiting for a decision. As of March 2026, the government expanded this to allow work in any higher skilled job if granted permission after that 12-month period.
I expect a 5 star hotel without any of the things that make a 5 star hotel is a pretty grim place to spend your day watching daytime TV.
Actually getting out with something constructive to do would probably appeal to most people.
