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Re: our discussion about energy use and efficiency, sacking of lectures, etc., see the following examples in the literature:
Lorna A. Greening, David L. Greene, Carmen Difiglio, [b]Energy efficiency and consumption — the rebound effect — a survey[/b], Energy Policy, Volume 28, Issues 6–7, June 2000, Pages 389-401, ISSN 0301-4215, 10.1016/S0301-4215(00)00021-5.
( http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421500000215)
Keywords: Energy; Conservation; Rebound; Energy; demand
"[i]Potential carbon reductions resulting from technological improvements in the consumption of energy may be reduced by the “rebound” effect (Wigley, 1997). The “take-back” or “rebound” effect refers to an increase in the supply of energy services with a corresponding decrease in the effective price, the size of which depends upon the underlying cost structure. This in turn may result in an increase in demand in response to these price decreases. [b]Therefore, increased demand for the service, without an offsetting increase in fuel price, can erode technological efficiency gains[/b]. Although this premise is undeniably rooted in neoclassical economic theory, the real controversy lies in the identification of sources and size of the rebound. Depending on the definition used for the rebound, the size of this effect can be either insignificant or can result in an increase in fuel consumption (Grubb et al., 1995; Grubb, 1996; [Brookes, 1990], [Brookes, 1992] and [Brookes, 1993]).[/i]
Steve Sorrell, John Dimitropoulos, [b]The rebound effect: Microeconomic definitions, limitations and extensions[/b], Ecological Economics, Volume 65, Issue 3, 15 April 2008, Pages 636-649, ISSN 0921-8009, 10.1016/j.ecolecon.2007.08.013.
( http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800907004405)
Keywords: Rebound effect; Energy efficiency; Energy demand
"[i]Numerous empirical studies, principally from the US, suggest that these rebound effects are real and can be significant (Greening et al., 2000). However, while their basic mechanisms are widely accepted, their magnitude and importance are disputed. [b]Some analysts argue that rebound effects are of minor importance for most energy services (Schipper and Grubb, 2000), while others argue that the economy-wide effects can be sufficiently important to completely offset the energy savings from improved energy efficiency[/b] ( [Brookes, 1990] and [Saunders, 1992]). The policy implication is that non-price regulations to improve energy efficiency may neither reduce energy demand nor help to mitigate climate change.[/i]"
I made the mistake of asserting that energy efficiency does not reduce consumption, when I should have said that energy efficiency MAY not reduce consumption.
Y'see, Macavity does have some advantages over TJ - at least he realises he has nothing intelligent to say and leaves us with a link that's pretty easy to ignore.
Herr zokes again proving what a c@ck he is.
Pigface said something stupid.
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I've just read my meters for March, Kit:
Consumption: 164W
Production: 381W
We're not on gas and used a few sticks of wood as it was a mild month.
Since I bought the house lighting the kitchen has gone from 9 X 40W = 360W to 36W. Lighting the bathroom from 2 X 100W spots + 3 x 40W to 3X 4W LEDs + 36W. The new oven consumes 2200W, the old one 3500W. The flat screen TV significantly less than the cathode ray. The washing machine uses solar-heated hot water so the only electrical consumtion is an efficient motor.
If you apply all the energy savin new technology to a house the savings are enormous and far outweigh any gagets added in the last ten years (I'm limiting my analysis to Europe as taken globaaly the rise in population is eleiminating the benefit of any savings). Germany per capita elergy use is decreasing and has been for years - thanks to energy saving measures outstripping the consumption of new gadgets.
when are you going to make meaningful answer to " what are you going to do with the waste?"
can you define what you eman by meaningful I don’t see what it means in this context it has been answered – what exactky di you want to make it meaningful - something you agree with?
I shall leave you pro nuclear evangelists to your ridiculous. unscientific, illogical position. Some of the pro nuclear nonsense espoused on here by folk who really should know better is astounding
Jesus wept TJ and the muse of knowledge shudders
The god of hyperbole and pig headed ill placed arrogance cheers hallelujah and offers you a thousand blessings
There is no pro nuke fanatic as for scientifc and illogical you are a nurse arguing with someone who works in this area...have a think about this.
radiation is safe, I know this because my bosses gave me a safe limit"
This is not what was said it was said there is a safe limit of radiation exposure [ xray for example] – the fact there is a safe limit suggests there is a dangerous level – no one has claimed it was safe – go on copy and paste where someone claims it is safe rather then there is a safe limit 🙄 [ - if you try can you copy in the post URL [ click on hash tag and it goes to the top of the page and you can copy that link to go straight to the entire post]
"Radiation risk is the same as hot water"
Again this is not what was said if you really think this then you are not folowin the argument and not as bright and logical as you think you are.
You're lousy at insult, JY.
Herr zokes I am in your league now then.
I was not trying to insult him.
I dont understand why he uses hyperbole like that then claims to be the logical scientific one...it is like me moaning at people's typos and saying I type well.
Good effort on your energy stuff...you have shamed me into action for my own house. I was very good when I lived an alternative lifestyle in woods etc and really quite rubbish now.
Just as it all went silent, along comes a fire at a Nuke site in France
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17630358
Interesting stat on that link is that France gets 75% of it's electricity from nuclear generation. I'm sure the fire (it's out, don't panic!) and the statistic will create some sort of reaction
Nothing to worry about, if it goes bang the radioactive cloud will be blown safely out to sea. 😉
I'm sure the fire (it's out, don't panic!) and the statistic will create some sort of reaction
Well I can't see it doing Melenchon any harm as he's being backed by the Greens. So it's probably the last thing Hollande needed as he's seen support for Melenchon double in the last couple of weeks or so. Obviously Hollande will beat Melenchon but he might have make even more concessions to avoid humiliation. He best brush up his Green credentials.
As I'll be away on vote day I've given my procuration to a lady on Bayrou's campaign team; I'm pretty sure he'll get my vote. Madame has my procuration for the second round so that's two anti-Hollande votes..
Madame has my procuration for the second round so that's two anti-Hollande votes..
Are you sure a proxy vote passed to Bayrou's campaign team will automatically lead to an anti-Hollande vote in the second round ? Likely I know, but apparently Sarkozy has not yet definitely secured Bayrou support for the second round :
[i]A well-placed source argued to me a few days ago that the election winner will depend on Bayrou. His case went like this:
"On the evening of the first round, if Bayrou thinks Sarkozy will win, he’ll demand a high price. But if Bayrou thinks that Sarkozy will lose, he’ll swing behind Hollande and Sarkozy will indeed lose".[/i]
[url= http://www.economist.com/blogs/elysee/2012/03/fran%C3%A7ois-bayrou ]The disappearing third man[/url]
By "Madame" I mean my wife and she has an allergic reaction to Hollande. Strange that [url= http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/election-presidentielle-2012/barometre-ipsos-le-point-bayrou-toujours-plus-populaire-12-03-2012-1440479_324.php ]the most popular candidate never scores well in the elections.[/url] Bayrou is regarded as honest, trust worthy and with the best programme for the most people, and he'll get nowhere as usual.
Ah, right, I'd assumed that Madame was the "lady on Bayrou's campaign team".
Strange that the most popular candidate never scores well in the elections
Yup. Could it be because of this : [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/french-election-blog-2012/2012/apr/03/francois-bayrou-stuck-middle-boring ]François Bayrou: stuck in the middle and mind-blowingly boring[/url] ?
[i]"Indecisive, characterless, insipid, monotonous, platitudinous, unexciting – these are just some of the qualities that will ensure the centrist candidate François Bayrou does not break through … again"[/i]
On th eother hand you could say that elections are like STW political threads, highly polarised. The voices of reason are drowned by the extremes insulting and yelling at each other.
Yeah, I suppose so - I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess you could be right.
I mean about STW political threads being highly polarised and the voices of reason being drowned by the extremists insulting and yelling at each other.
Doesn't bother me though - I just let them get on with it.
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where the reactor was shut down after the alarm was raised at 12:20 (11:20 GMT).
Now then, what's that problem that's happening in the North Sea? Is it a nuclear rig that's leaking flammable and polluting gas? Nah, didn't think so....
I think Kraftwerk have something to say on the matter:
Big article in todays newspaper here in Italy (Il Giornale). Their solar power costs €70 billion and produces the same electricity as €2 billion worth of nuclear.