I seem to have missed the “message” can someone please fill me in? I always thought the standing message was “baddies are bad, goodies are good”?
Really? It wasn't subtle. (Nothing about the film was subtle as per lots of Disney films).
Btw, judging by the fact that the galactic economy seems to be functioning so well that luxury gambling resorts can operate with almost no security at all, agriculture still goes on, business carries on, and Skywalker can book himself into a rural retreat for years, I think that the Star Wars films are about two bands of low-level gangster clans that are ignored by the sane population.
Been avoiding all discussion and reviews until I’d seen it and now i have, just...
What a load of old shit.
Not a star wars geek, but a big film fan and I do like the series. Force Awakens and Rogue One especially stoked my enthusiasm recently
The last Jedi has completely squashed it. I’m not angry, just disappointed.
Really? It wasn't subtle
It appears I was looking for something a bit deeper than “poor girl done good” and “rich people are bad”
Really? It wasn't subtle
It appears I was looking for something a bit deeper than “poor girl done good” and “rich people are bad”
You went to a Star Wars movie for something deep?
i don't know about any political undercurrent or deeper meanings and I couldn't really give a shit. the film is just naffy Mcnaff face.
Force Awakens was so cool and exciting, this was like The Phantom Menace following on from Return of the Jedi.
Force Awakens was so cool and exciting, this was like The Phantom Menace following on from Return of the Jedi.
The Force Awakens was a pure nostalgia fest, being pretty much a straight remake of the original film. I enjoyed it, but cool exciting? Not really.
Watched this last Friday - cert disappointed.
All commercial reviews I've seen rated it. But, much like the last one mimicked A New Hope, the plot seemed to follow Empire Strikes Back.....
It's was entertaining and funny but nothing new and didn't have anything we haven't seen before.
You went to a Star Wars movie for something deep?
Wrong end of the stick. From the chat here I thought it was meant to be deeper. I go to Star Wars for 2 hrs of popcorn, lasers, lightsabers and x-wings
It's a film where a talking bin and a wizard are best pals.
Proper lol at that, thank you! 😆
I couldn't find a pic of Paul Daniels with Dusty Bin, so this'll have to do-
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I think that's a scene that didn't quite make the final cut of TLJ, although they [i]were[/i] going for a broader audience with all the comedy so I'm surprised it didn't get through.
Still disappointed even more so by the lack of
It appears I was looking for something a bit deeper than “poor girl done good” and “rich people are bad”
Well given that it was pointed out that the same (type of) people who built the tie fighters also built the x-wings means that things aren't always black and white. So a little bit deeper than that. But not much.
Well given that it was pointed out that the same (type of) people who built the tie fighters also built the x-wings means that things aren't always black and white. So a little bit deeper than that. But not much.
On a side note - which are better, and why is there no overlap between what the two sides are using? ("No, you aren't allowed Tie fighters - you're supposed to be the good guys!")
Tie fighters need something to hang them on, you need to spec your ship for them, x-wings land on the floor. Seems simple if you need a fighter to land on any ship
I couldn't find a pic of Paul Daniels with Dusty Bin
It's impossible to find footage of the 321/Wizbit crossover episodes.
Tie fighters need something to hang them on, you need to spec your ship for them, x-wings land on the floor. Seems simple if you need a fighter to land on any ship
Good point. And - I've wondered for 40 years but never bothered to google - why was Vader's Tie fighter a different shape? (No need to answer - I'm spending the rest of the day googling what the hell is happening in the Star Wars universe!)
Star Wars geekdom here I come.
edited cos I can't read 😆
Vader’s is a modified advanced fighter.
Movie-making reason is so that you know it's his TIE Fighter and not just some mook's ship.
In-universe reason is that it is a TIE Advanced, a model equipped with shields and a hyperdrive. It never went into full production but some of its characteristics made it into the TIE Interceptor seen in Return of the Jedi.
Movie-making reason is so that you know it's his TIE Fighter and not just some mook's ship
Yes, I know. but when I went to the pictures to watch Star Wars (as we called it, not A New Hope!) when I was 8 or 9 that answer just didn't seem satisfactory.
Yes, I know. but when I went to the pictures to watch Star Wars (as we called it, not A New Hope!) when I was 8 or 9 that answer just didn't seem satisfactory.
When I first seen he had a different one as he’s the boss, it’s his A6 instead of an Octavia.
Drac, yes that what I always thought. No difference other than the spoilers and the TURBO badge on the back.
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Drac, yes that what I always thought. No difference other than the spoilers and the TURBO badge on the back.
Angeldust will be along to argue that's not the case.
According to the internet he would be right as well. It was a homologation special. They only built enough to take part in Group B dogfights, but they were banned after too many pilots ploughed into the spectators stands. 😆
his A6 instead of an Octavia
You mean his A4 or Golf...
No.
Well, taking all the internet-found guff aside (I deliberately avoided all reviews) I went to see it today and loved it. Clever story, lots of pulling at emotions and some amazing cinematography. And i’ve been with the ride from the beginning - I queued to see the original way back when and loved it ever since. I see it as the best since the original three.
As my above post I wasn’t impressed, but I saw Ferdinand today.
Holey moley as my 7 year old would say. That film really is atrocious! There should be a public flogging for those who came up with that script
Really enjoyed it, more than I expected to. On a par with the original trilogy IMO. Maybe just me but I did cringe at every scene Hamill was in tho, youthful enthusiasm may have carried him in the originals but god he’s as wooden as in this. Thankfully didn’t detract from a v good film overall.
Watched it twice in the iTunes rental period just to make sure. Hot garbage, as the kids like to say.
Liked the previous Star Wars films eg 3,4,5 and then 6.
Switched off this one off after 30 mins and watched I, Tonya instead (on a plane).
Watched it again on iTunes last night for the first time since the cinema.
Visually, and sound wise, it does hold up well but I think the plot or maybe the editing lets it down.
Maybe the pressure to release a film or two every year will have a diminishing return of the general overall storyboard?
Nah, it was just mince. Rehashed episodes 4, 5 and 6 into a single film...
Our pre-order DVD arrived yesterday.
As I left for work at 7:00am this morning my 10 year old lad was settling in to watch it in his Star Wars PJs and Star Wars dressing gown, drinking tea from a Star Wars mug and surrounded by Star Wars action figures.
As the a member of the target audience he seemed more than happy. I only wish that I could have watched it with him.
We're looking forward to watching Solo too.
Our pre-order DVD arrived yesterday.
Mine arrived last Saturday morning!! Lad of 7 loves it.
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I watched it wearing my Stormtrooper outfit, and dressed up my RealDoll® as Princess Leia for the occasion. I'm definitely the target audience.
Finally got round to watching it last night. I liked it but it did seem disjointed and they appear to have pretty much ignored everything that was laid down in the previous film.
Killing off two thirds of the bad guys (the interesting two thirds at that) left me thinking the next one will be annoying. Just the petulant perma-teen Kylo, spiritual successor to Ani the least intimidating villain in cinema history. Not enough Chewy either.
My main gripe was that Luke didn’t get hit by a boulder and have seagulls peck his knees.
looking forward to watching Solo too.
I always go with friends!
Badum-tish.
Ren is a lot more interesting than Anakin ever was. A far better character, and better acted too.
Are we discussing the plot on here? I rewatched it last night and I'm trying to figure some stuff out.
1) We still don't know who Rey really is. Ren claims to have seen her parents in a force vision but they are unlikely to be her birth parents, IMO.
2) When she goes down the hole on the island, I'm not sure what she's meant to see down there but she sees past and future, but they are in a loop, as if her existence is a closed circle with no beginning and no end. And when she asks to see her parents, she only sees herself. This to me suggests some kind of eternal being or something created out of the force rather than an actual person. Which could tie into Anakin's genesis. On first viewing I glossed over that scene because it's got no direct plot relevance in the film, but it's clearly important otherwise it wouldn't be in there. It seems like the force is becoming more of an actor in events - the suggestion is that it is guiding the characters more - and also the title of VII is a bit of a clue. But that also suggests sentience which is a bit quasi-religious and also a whole new can of worms.
3) Why the strong link between Ren and Rey? Normally I'd expect that to suggest either they are separated siblings, or both of them would share the same mystical genesis. But from what we know of the plot so far that can't happen unless a) Leia knows she had two kids and hasn't let on or b) Ren isn't Leia and Solo's biological son.
Well, I just hope Brienne is OK (hopefully her shiny armour is fireproof (and, er, fall proof).
Ren is a lot more interesting than Anakin ever was. A far better character, and better acted too.
Are we discussing the plot on here? I rewatched it last night and I’m trying to figure some stuff out.
1) We still don’t know who Rey really is. Ren claims to have seen her parents in a force vision but they are unlikely to be her birth parents, IMO.
2) When she goes down the hole on the island, I’m not sure what she’s meant to see down there but she sees past and future, but they are in a loop, as if her existence is a closed circle with no beginning and no end. And when she asks to see her parents, she only sees herself. This to me suggests some kind of eternal being or something created out of the force rather than an actual person. Which could tie into Anakin’s genesis. On first viewing I glossed over that scene because it’s got no direct plot relevance in the film, but it’s clearly important otherwise it wouldn’t be in there. It seems like the force is becoming more of an actor in events – the suggestion is that it is guiding the characters more – and also the title of VII is a bit of a clue. But that also suggests sentience which is a bit quasi-religious and also a whole new can of worms.
3) Why the strong link between Ren and Rey? Normally I’d expect that to suggest either they are separated siblings, or both of them would share the same mystical genesis. But from what we know of the plot so far that can’t happen unless a) Leia knows she had two kids and hasn’t let on or b) Ren isn’t Leia and Solo’s biological son.
It's been a while but:
1) Nope, in The Force Awakens it was hinted that she was a Skywalker descended or at least some kind of Jedi off-spring. Part of the 'point' of The Last Jedi is that - none of that shit matters, you don't need to be of special or noble birth to be 'strong with the force' or indeed a Jedi or Sith at all. It was one of the plot devices Rian Johnson feel he didn't need.
2) Again, the point of this was that in searching for her identity by knowing who her parents were that it doesn't matter - her identity only comes from her and her alone.
3) It's explained simply as they're both strong with the force and when Kylo entered her mind in the last one it created a link, or a least they're both strong with the force and have met so they can now force facetime each other whenever they want.
It's worth remember that, and I feel daft saying that, it's only a film series. The Force awakens was written by JJ Abrams who was pretty pro original series so it has all those hallmarks, kids with special powers and mysterious parentage, father / son conflicts and so on. When it was released some people moaned it was a bit like a Star Wars reboot.
The Last Jedi was written by Rian Johnson who seemed very anti original series and sought to destroy a lot of the 'myths' of the series - namely that Jedi's aren't the only ones who can use the force, a lot of their religion is nonsense and more importantly I think the sort of swashbuckling heroics of the original films was a bit stupid really and we should all have a bit of a sit-down a think about the most efficient way to navigate the new normal of the First Order rather than risking life and limb for freedom etc.
But JJ is back for 9 and there's enough 'wiggle room' in the Last Jedi to bring it back around - Rey and Ren could be siblings, or cousins, or end up married. Rey might have been 'born of the force' like Vader because whilst Lucas was great at convincing the fans that somewhere in the back of his house there's vault the whole 9 film (was 6, then 9, might end up being 12) saga was all plotted out in intricate detail - the truth is, I'd guess they're only now deciding on all the characters past and future.
Didn't Snoke say he created the link between Rey and Ren for the lols?
It’s explained simply as they’re both strong with the force and when Kylo entered her mind in the last one it created a link
Ah yes... this is a good possibility.
Yes, it is only a film series, but that whole sequence was plonked in there for some reason and it wasn't anything to do with the story of that movie. So it's clearly of significance to the saga which is why I'm pondering it 🙂
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Ren is a lot more interesting than Anakin ever was. A far better character, and better acted too.
Definitely more interesting and a great actor. The problem is that your average, run of the mill styrofoam packaging is more interesting than Anakin ever was. I still think Ren comes across like a 14 year old shouting “I hate you” and “not fair” though. If there weren’t futuristic doors on Star Destroyers, there’d be a need for at least 10 scenes of him slamming them.
It will be interesting to see where the next film goes and if JJ runs with Rian’s vision or reverts to his own ideas.
I still think Ren comes across like a 14 year old shouting “I hate you” and “not fair” though.
That's the entire basis of his character though!
Didnt snoke waffle on something about Rey awakening to balance out Ren before he got sliced?
Yes, it is only a film series, but that whole sequence was plonked in there for some reason and it wasn’t anything to do with the story of that movie. So it’s clearly of significance to the saga which is why I’m pondering it
We shouldn't completely discount the chance that Rian Johnson is a hack and his only other major film writing credit was 'Looper' which was pretty good, but also full of plot holes and dead ends. 😉
I recently rewatched all the star wars film
This set the bar so low that all of them seemed so much better than I remember - this is a truly shit film and over analysing it is really a waste of your intellect
Its one of the worst films I have seen and remember the set include the one with Jar Jar in
the truth is, I’d guess they’re only now deciding on all the characters past and future.
Its been evident for a while that the legacy is being milked for money. Its done nothing that adds to it and plenty that has taken from it - it has been utter shit
Even the first one of this re boot - which i thought was poor on first watch - was superb compared to this drivel.
I still think Ren comes across like a 14 year old shouting “I hate you” and “not fair” though.
Yep, he's supposed to be this scary badguy who is prone to explosive bouts of rage - bit like Stansfield in Leon, but he comes across more like Kevin the Teenager.
Which is odd really Adam Driver is a good actor and he's in his mid 30s.
Its one of the worst films I have seen and remember the set include the one with Jar Jar in
I wouldn't go that far, but as you might have guessed I'm also not a massive fan of it.
I think they tried to kick away all the foundations of the originals to appeal to a new fan base, because what teenager wan't to like the same stuff their Dad likes?
It certainly seem that fans who didn't see the original around the time they were new seem to like the Last Jedi more freed from 40 odd years of devotion.
My main gripe was that Luke didn’t get hit by a boulder and have seagulls peck his knees
uh ha, uh-ha-uh-ha, uh ha, uh-ha-uh-ha!!!!
That log had a child
Well I'd have to say I watched, laughed and enjoyed it, no religious experiences, no resurrection of childhood but it was fun and did it's thing.
If it's one of the worst films you have ever seen you are very very lucky to have avoided a lot of the significantly worse offerings in your life.
unfortunately in this age of internet, the holy trinity of the OT is untouchable, but everything else is fair game, and people have nothing but free-time to pick these films to death.
I liked it when it came out, although I will admit it's not the best, I watched it again this week and I still liked it.
I've heard idiots at my work say "they'll never watch another Star Wars film, it's been ruined", but tend to forget that it's a franchise that makes tons of money, not some biblical level scripture that can never be reworked for a new generation.
It's spaceships and daft folk with laser swords, pure entertainment, nothing more. Debating it beyond that it would be like looking for the hidden symbolism and Sergei Eisenstein influences in Pacific Rim
Perhaps I am just better at picking films to watch than you mike?
Its a terrible film - re-watching the others made me realise how bad it was it
It certainly seem that fans who didn’t see the original around the time they were new seem to like the Last Jedi more freed from 40 odd years of devotion.
Jesus wept even on a star wars discussion we need to get passive aggressive digs like "devoted" Having just asked my kids they think its the worst star wars film so I am not sure what you base your assertion on. Whatever age you are that is a poor film
That’s the entire basis of his character though!
Got to disagree with you there. I think they were aiming for conflicted and unpredictable scary sith. They missed this by a mile and what’s left is surly teenager (who’s about thirty) crossed with a pantomime villain that might break down in tears at any moment.
Jesus wept even on a star wars discussion we need to get passive aggressive digs like “devoted”
You are a bit touchy. Remember anger, pride and fear thesecare the paths to the dark side young one.
Jesus wept even on a star wars discussion we need to get passive aggressive digs like “devoted” Having just asked my kids they think its the worst star wars film so I am not sure what you base your assertion on. Whatever age you are that is a poor film
It wasnt a dig, I hated it, my son and his mates liked it, it was broadly the same with my mates and online polls say the same I think.
I think they were aiming for conflicted and unpredictable scary sith
But everything he does is ridiculous, and the characters all call him out on it. This is scripted. The general chap whatsisname even tries to question him and gets force choked. He makes them all stop and watch whilst he goes to settle a personal score with Luke whilst they all look at each other thinking 'wtf?'. Seems pretty clear to me they intended him to be a fool.
But everything he does is ridiculous, and the characters all call him out on it. This is scripted.
Exactly and Snoke was manipulating him to make him conflicted, Luke was trying to manipulate him too as has Rey.
Could the Force deliberately be trying to bring Ren and Rey together? As a sentient actor?
^^😂 I think you’ve just given away the plot of the next one.
its definitely not powerful enough to do it with Fin