[Closed] The Last Jedi - Seen it, contains spoilers!

P-Jay - Member
I mean “laser sword”?! It’s a **** Light Sabre FFS!

They were trying to show you that Luke was eschewing all that he used to hold dear. Not using the term 'light sabre' was a way of doing that.

P-Jay - Member
Just got back from the cinema, I’m sad to say I’m pretty disappointed.

I’m sure there’s a good film in there, but it’s lost in sea of silly jokes and worse still really bad acting - sad to say it, but there’s a reason why Mark Hamill hasn’t worked much since the original 3, he’s the worst thing in it.

Seriously? He was excellent. You seem to be mistaking him for the [i]actual [/i]Luke Skywalker, as many have- he was an actor, playing a part, a part that called for him to show rejection of his previous life- I thought he did it brilliantly. You're disappointed that he's not the traditional Luke and I can get that, but his acting was peerless.

And- he's not dead....

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost. Snoke is dead and doesn't have a back story because they never wrote one. Who needs to know about the origin and motivation of the guy who destroyed Luke's legacy? Not important! Rey is a nobody because they wrote it that way after TFA. And Kylo isn't lying because that would imply a level of attention to the overall narrative that I don't believe is there.

If it turns out Andy Serkis is filming for IX I will extend a bit of hope that the story will be resolved at the end but I'm not convinced it will be right now.

and doesn't have a back story because they never wrote one

Expresses opinion without the relevant facts... Standard STW

Do you think George Lucas is collecting negative reviews of the recent films for his scrapbook?

Doubtful, but he’s probably ready STW for insight and inspiration 😆

We all know The Franchise polarises opinion, and we’re all blessed with opinion 😆

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I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Yeah, it's shit isn't it? I was in denial for a bit there but no, it's shit.

'Laser sword', 'chrome dome', Maz's innuendo, 'godspeed' and 'soul', just get in the ****ing sea with the whole sorry lot.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy

Nice summary of some of the backlash/hate

and doesn't have a back story because they never wrote one
Expresses opinion without the relevant facts... Standard STW

I see your snarky STW response and I raise you this... listen from 18.50. Johnson says Snoke's story is not relevant to this one.

https://soundcloud.com/user-504775206/last-jedi-wga-qa

Mike, straight up there's a problem with that Vox summary - "galaxy-spanning"? It's set in another galaxy, neither close nor recent, as the first film made quite clear. How can I take anything they say seriously after that in the sub-heading?

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Inside knowledge says he has a cameo in the next film but someone close to him has a much bigger part - ghost Sith Lord anyone?

@wordnumb by just reading it.... some really good points

Seriously? He was excellent. You seem to be mistaking him for the actual Luke Skywalker, as many have- he was an actor, playing a part, a part that called for him to show rejection of his previous life- I thought he did it brilliantly. You're disappointed that he's not the traditional Luke and I can get that, but his acting was peerless.

Glad you enjoyed it, that wasn't really my problem - I find that he gurns a lot, his expressions are over-the-top and unconvincing to me. "Peerless" is a bit strong, Denzel Washington in Training Day was peerless, Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds was peerless, Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men.

Did anyone notice how Astral Projection Luke was the imagine of the flash back? darker beard, shorter hair - oh and they CGI'd MH's head onto a body about 3 stone lighter than his?

I have to confess I thought it was pretty average.
Went with next-door neighbour (we're both in our 30's) and spent a rather uncomfortable couple of hours both wondering if the other thought it was as bad as we each did!
Good CGI (as expected) but just a bit too twee for me.

As mentioned above the space horses and casino sequence wasn't necessary,
Hammy acting (but not from Mark Hamill)
God-awful dialogue at times!
And a fairly thin plot.

I know I'll go and see the next one, because, well, its Star Wars, but I had such high hopes after Rogue One...sigh

vintagewino - Member

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Inside knowledge says he has a cameo in the next film but someone close to him has a much bigger part - ghost Sith Lord anyone?
do tell!

And Kylo isn't lying because that would imply a level of attention to the overall narrative that I don't believe is there.

😆

IIRC he actually didn’t even say who they were, he just told her who always thought they were.

burgatedicky -
I have to confess I thought it was pretty average.

Oh gawd. I was hoping this would be a "good film", in it's own right. I don't like Star Wars, but 2 people want me to take them to see this... I'm going to sit there for 2+ hours hating it aren't I?!
I might talk, rustle bags of sweets and occassionally check my phone to get revenge on people who have ruined decent films for me in the past 👿

IIRC he actually didn’t even say who they were, he just told her who always thought they were.

Which was backed up by what she saw in the cave, it was something she had clung on to for her entire childhood which she now needed to let go. Luke talked about his hubris in thinking that the force belonged to the Jedi when it can be in anyone, and it was finally reinforced by the slave child at the end.

One of the major threads of the film was telling us that this is no longer a Skywalker story, to make that real and final, Luke had to die*

*although he's not dead

One of the major threads of the film was telling us that this is no longer a Skywalker story, to make that real and final, Luke had to die.

I know that bit too.

It’s also been in the other films that the force can be in anyone, it’s been consistent through out.

Maybe Rey's a droid, it's a Star Wars / Blade Runner crossover set up. Just a thought.

Oh gawd. I was hoping this would be a "good film", in it's own right

It is.

Anyone reading this, and thinking “I’m not sure I want to go now” really [i]should[/i] go.

After all, our opinions are just that.. ours. Your view of the film, is your view of the film.

Picking up on Snoke, it would be good to see him and the now “dead” Luke face off against each other in another realm.. in a ghostly Jedi world.. could affect the current realm where there’s an interplay between the mythical and the real..and let’s see who “feels” it.

What a god awful movie. Basic generic sci-fy story, poor script, worse acting and a story that jumps about more than a kangaroo.

Is this your first Star Wars movie poah?

Seen them all.

Then you’ll know they’re all like that.

Rey doesn’t have a ‘special’ lineage. It’s basically one of the major threads throughout the entire film.

I don't think it's as straightforward as that. I'm actually erring towards half brother and sister at this point so perhaps just the love child of Han.

I couldn't watch that again like the others. Kids enjoyed it though.

In that bit I posted a page back from vox on why people are getting so upset, one was about all the theories that they have being wrong. As with anything on this scale there are gaps and holes people desperately want to fill. Perhaps we will get a Rey I'm your brothers uncle in the next one or she is just some kid who got lucky.

Surely it can’t be anywhere near as bad as episodes one and two? Those things were bad to start with and have aged so badly that they look like Sci-fy channel offerings.

Pity about Snoke, seemed like an interesting character. A bit like Darth Maul. Maybe all interesting bad guys have to be cut in half for some reason

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Right late to the party thanks to life but as per the above really.
I know where Disney are trying to come from,trying to make it new for the next generation but so much of this and the Force Awakens just feels like copy paste from the first 6 films.
Force awakens ?< well this felt like an old pair of slippers just enough for those who loved 4-5-6 and just enough to grab the attention of new Star wars watchers. The last Jedi for me was more of the same felt like a poor Empire with almost the same references, a lost cause ,a mentoring Jedi master (Luke not Yoda). The opening escape ok old B wing type bombers not a big giant boob nipple gun.Trying to out run star destroyers and being caught out by a Del toro akin to being caught out by Boba Fett...

There were some ok bits ..the fight scene after Snokes momentary lapse in force ability not to here the saber turning and getting kebab-ed.

The light jump was quite good. As was Luke force projection ending at Echo base/ New same ice planet with magic flying rocks hmmm...

Lukes X wing under the water was a nice touch.
After that im almost at a loss to find good in the film.The whole floating in space Mary Poppins scene had me cringing as did the casino and space donkey escape. No Snoke back story who where why ? I really wanted it to be as dark as Empire but sadly some iffy one liners and BB8 cuddles spoiled it. Empire was one of my all time favorite films and the Rouge One came along and topped it , I had high hopes for The last Jedi, which is a shame really.

Struggling to give it a 5 out of 10 maybe a second watch on dvd in 6 months time might make me have a change of heart.. and thats only really for Mark Hamill's acting.

Went in with low expectations. Still disappointed.

Can anyone tell me the point of the film? Or the point of the force awakens? Or how we go from the fall of the empire in rotj to losing all of it to a tiny faction in the force awakens?

mikewsmith - Member
In that bit I posted a page back from vox on why people are getting so upset, one was about all the theories that they have being wrong. As with anything on this scale there are gaps and holes people desperately want to fill. Perhaps we will get a Rey I'm your brothers uncle in the next one or she is just some kid who got lucky.

I read the Vox link, it made some interesting points, but it reminded me of when Ghostbusters got bad reviews and they bleated that it was because of the all-female cast.

I can understand it’s wrenching for older, Die-Hard fans of the original, some of its messages are ‘Jedis aren’t that special’ ‘heritage doesn’t count for shit’ and being heroic is stupid. Okay, that’s very different to the originals, but more than that it tries to kill their real-world legacy too - the influx of Earth terminology “laser sword” “Godspeed” goes against the whole “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” theme of the originals. It seems they wanted to encourage lots of new fans, by proving that it’s “not all that stuff your Dad keeps going on about”.

OK just back from watching TLJ. I can see a pattern emerging. TFA was a turgid remake of A New Hope, Rogue 1 brilliant "Guys on a mission" film, TLJ turgid remake of the start of The Empire Strikes Back. Hopefully the new Han Solo movie next year will be great.

So what did the rebels accomplish in TLJ? Two star destroyers destroyed at a cost of about 98% casualties. Hero Finn and his new sidekick spend half the film on a failed mission that moved the plot on not one iota. He couldn't even get his own suicide mission right. Po Dameron is no new Han Solo. Again everything he touched turned to sh!t.

Finally, someone realises that ultimate destruction can simply be achieved by crashing something the size of a cross channel ferry at near light speed into your target- no need for Death Stars. Presumably starships capable of hyperdrive would have an autopilot which would have made Laura Dern's suicide mission unnecessary.

And Adam Driver is still the wettest villain in the history of cinema.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

Anakin Skywalker was a nobody to begin with, was he not? So although they managed 6 films about the Skywalker family (with the other 3 making a mention of them as well), so Rey isn't far off...

Beat me too it Dick, I just don't get all the bleating about Rey being a nobody when the whole saga is the story of Anakin... who starts as a nobody

Its weird

Can anyone tell me the point of the film?

Make a shit ton of money. Which it will/has.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

Anakin was “born of the force” apprently, something they’ve not mentioned since - maybe Shmi didn’t want to look like a slag on camera so didn’t mention that night being passed around like a joint by the Huts.

Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

Salty.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

There's a Bladerunner 2039? I must have missed that. However, Bladerunner 2049 was excellent.

I've yet to see the latest Star Wars so I'll reserve judgment until tonight.

For the record: I'm no Star Wars fanboi and thought the last film was average at best.

There's a Bladerunner 2039? I must have missed that.

Few have seen it; it's a 3-hour bee-keeping instructional video, hosted by Deckard.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.
Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

You may not like it but history will prove me right- and even if I'm wrong TLJ is still pants

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.
Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

You may not like it but history will prove me right- and even if I'm wrong TLJ is still pants

Happy to agree to disagree regarding Bladerunner.

[i]Provided that you're in the sea.[/i]