[Closed] The Last Jedi - Seen it, contains spoilers!

vintagewino - Member

I reckon he is dead and *might* come back as a force ghost

Inside knowledge says he has a cameo in the next film but someone close to him has a much bigger part - ghost Sith Lord anyone?
do tell!

And Kylo isn't lying because that would imply a level of attention to the overall narrative that I don't believe is there.

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IIRC he actually didn’t even say who they were, he just told her who always thought they were.

burgatedicky -
I have to confess I thought it was pretty average.

Oh gawd. I was hoping this would be a "good film", in it's own right. I don't like Star Wars, but 2 people want me to take them to see this... I'm going to sit there for 2+ hours hating it aren't I?!
I might talk, rustle bags of sweets and occassionally check my phone to get revenge on people who have ruined decent films for me in the past 👿

IIRC he actually didn’t even say who they were, he just told her who always thought they were.

Which was backed up by what she saw in the cave, it was something she had clung on to for her entire childhood which she now needed to let go. Luke talked about his hubris in thinking that the force belonged to the Jedi when it can be in anyone, and it was finally reinforced by the slave child at the end.

One of the major threads of the film was telling us that this is no longer a Skywalker story, to make that real and final, Luke had to die*

*although he's not dead

One of the major threads of the film was telling us that this is no longer a Skywalker story, to make that real and final, Luke had to die.

I know that bit too.

It’s also been in the other films that the force can be in anyone, it’s been consistent through out.

Maybe Rey's a droid, it's a Star Wars / Blade Runner crossover set up. Just a thought.

Oh gawd. I was hoping this would be a "good film", in it's own right

It is.

Anyone reading this, and thinking “I’m not sure I want to go now” really [i]should[/i] go.

After all, our opinions are just that.. ours. Your view of the film, is your view of the film.

Picking up on Snoke, it would be good to see him and the now “dead” Luke face off against each other in another realm.. in a ghostly Jedi world.. could affect the current realm where there’s an interplay between the mythical and the real..and let’s see who “feels” it.

What a god awful movie. Basic generic sci-fy story, poor script, worse acting and a story that jumps about more than a kangaroo.

Is this your first Star Wars movie poah?

Seen them all.

Then you’ll know they’re all like that.

Rey doesn’t have a ‘special’ lineage. It’s basically one of the major threads throughout the entire film.

I don't think it's as straightforward as that. I'm actually erring towards half brother and sister at this point so perhaps just the love child of Han.

I couldn't watch that again like the others. Kids enjoyed it though.

In that bit I posted a page back from vox on why people are getting so upset, one was about all the theories that they have being wrong. As with anything on this scale there are gaps and holes people desperately want to fill. Perhaps we will get a Rey I'm your brothers uncle in the next one or she is just some kid who got lucky.

Surely it can’t be anywhere near as bad as episodes one and two? Those things were bad to start with and have aged so badly that they look like Sci-fy channel offerings.

Pity about Snoke, seemed like an interesting character. A bit like Darth Maul. Maybe all interesting bad guys have to be cut in half for some reason

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Right late to the party thanks to life but as per the above really.
I know where Disney are trying to come from,trying to make it new for the next generation but so much of this and the Force Awakens just feels like copy paste from the first 6 films.
Force awakens ?< well this felt like an old pair of slippers just enough for those who loved 4-5-6 and just enough to grab the attention of new Star wars watchers. The last Jedi for me was more of the same felt like a poor Empire with almost the same references, a lost cause ,a mentoring Jedi master (Luke not Yoda). The opening escape ok old B wing type bombers not a big giant boob nipple gun.Trying to out run star destroyers and being caught out by a Del toro akin to being caught out by Boba Fett...

There were some ok bits ..the fight scene after Snokes momentary lapse in force ability not to here the saber turning and getting kebab-ed.

The light jump was quite good. As was Luke force projection ending at Echo base/ New same ice planet with magic flying rocks hmmm...

Lukes X wing under the water was a nice touch.
After that im almost at a loss to find good in the film.The whole floating in space Mary Poppins scene had me cringing as did the casino and space donkey escape. No Snoke back story who where why ? I really wanted it to be as dark as Empire but sadly some iffy one liners and BB8 cuddles spoiled it. Empire was one of my all time favorite films and the Rouge One came along and topped it , I had high hopes for The last Jedi, which is a shame really.

Struggling to give it a 5 out of 10 maybe a second watch on dvd in 6 months time might make me have a change of heart.. and thats only really for Mark Hamill's acting.

Went in with low expectations. Still disappointed.

Can anyone tell me the point of the film? Or the point of the force awakens? Or how we go from the fall of the empire in rotj to losing all of it to a tiny faction in the force awakens?

mikewsmith - Member
In that bit I posted a page back from vox on why people are getting so upset, one was about all the theories that they have being wrong. As with anything on this scale there are gaps and holes people desperately want to fill. Perhaps we will get a Rey I'm your brothers uncle in the next one or she is just some kid who got lucky.

I read the Vox link, it made some interesting points, but it reminded me of when Ghostbusters got bad reviews and they bleated that it was because of the all-female cast.

I can understand it’s wrenching for older, Die-Hard fans of the original, some of its messages are ‘Jedis aren’t that special’ ‘heritage doesn’t count for shit’ and being heroic is stupid. Okay, that’s very different to the originals, but more than that it tries to kill their real-world legacy too - the influx of Earth terminology “laser sword” “Godspeed” goes against the whole “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” theme of the originals. It seems they wanted to encourage lots of new fans, by proving that it’s “not all that stuff your Dad keeps going on about”.

OK just back from watching TLJ. I can see a pattern emerging. TFA was a turgid remake of A New Hope, Rogue 1 brilliant "Guys on a mission" film, TLJ turgid remake of the start of The Empire Strikes Back. Hopefully the new Han Solo movie next year will be great.

So what did the rebels accomplish in TLJ? Two star destroyers destroyed at a cost of about 98% casualties. Hero Finn and his new sidekick spend half the film on a failed mission that moved the plot on not one iota. He couldn't even get his own suicide mission right. Po Dameron is no new Han Solo. Again everything he touched turned to sh!t.

Finally, someone realises that ultimate destruction can simply be achieved by crashing something the size of a cross channel ferry at near light speed into your target- no need for Death Stars. Presumably starships capable of hyperdrive would have an autopilot which would have made Laura Dern's suicide mission unnecessary.

And Adam Driver is still the wettest villain in the history of cinema.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

Anakin Skywalker was a nobody to begin with, was he not? So although they managed 6 films about the Skywalker family (with the other 3 making a mention of them as well), so Rey isn't far off...

Beat me too it Dick, I just don't get all the bleating about Rey being a nobody when the whole saga is the story of Anakin... who starts as a nobody

Its weird

Can anyone tell me the point of the film?

Make a shit ton of money. Which it will/has.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

Anakin was “born of the force” apprently, something they’ve not mentioned since - maybe Shmi didn’t want to look like a slag on camera so didn’t mention that night being passed around like a joint by the Huts.

Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

Salty.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

There's a Bladerunner 2039? I must have missed that. However, Bladerunner 2049 was excellent.

I've yet to see the latest Star Wars so I'll reserve judgment until tonight.

For the record: I'm no Star Wars fanboi and thought the last film was average at best.

There's a Bladerunner 2039? I must have missed that.

Few have seen it; it's a 3-hour bee-keeping instructional video, hosted by Deckard.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.
Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

You may not like it but history will prove me right- and even if I'm wrong TLJ is still pants

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.
Make your way down to the sea, get in, and stay there.

You may not like it but history will prove me right- and even if I'm wrong TLJ is still pants

Happy to agree to disagree regarding Bladerunner.

[i]Provided that you're in the sea.[/i]

I thought Bladerunner was great and woke up the next day thinking a Dennis Villeneuve standalone Star Wars movie would be excellent.

Still annoyed by TLJ though, and it's not because of the Porgs neither.

casino and space donkey escape

*is annoyed that he didn't think of 'space donkey' earlier*

TLJ was massively disappointing, Bladerunner 2049 was however the film of the year

Anakin Skywalker was a nobody to begin with, was he not? So although they managed 6 films about the Skywalker family (with the other 3 making a mention of them as well), so Rey isn't far off...

Exactly same theme through out the previous 7.

The writers of this nonsense make the wallys who wrote Bladerunner 2039 look like a bunch of Hemmingways.

There’s another Bladerunner?

The haters on this thread, did you take a kid? I can even like Phantom Menace if I watch it with my boy. I'm not expecting anything other than a fun kids film.

I can even like Phantom Menace if I watch it with my boy. I'm not expecting anything other than a fun kids film.

Go on, I'll say it; For all it's many flaws, I preferred The Phantom Menace to TLJ because of exactly that; it was fun. TLJ was just dull.

I liked TLJ despite its flaws it was fun.

I liked TLJ despite its flaws it was fun.

What would you know, fun sponge? 😉

@anagallis, I went with my two sons (10 & 12) because for me the most fun thing about these new SW movies is seeing them in the cinema with them / through their eyes. The 12 year old gave it 7/10 and the 10 year old says it's his best star wars movie ever. And they have seen all the star wars movies many times. So what do I know with my cynicism?? Your kid(s) will probably love it.

What would you know, fun sponge?

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I’m not in the “hate” camp, more a critical observer.. and nah, no kids either but I do have nephews (eldest is 12) and I’d not take him to see it..
I would however sit him down and watch all of the Star Wars movies in succession, and leave this latest until last..
He can then make his own informed decision.

Oh gawd. I was hoping this would be a "good film", in it's own right

simondbarnes -
It is.

Seems to be a minority view, even from people who like the other films. I can save my £35. Thanks for helping me make up my mind STW. 🙂

Your kid(s) will probably love it.

He did, as did I. I just think a lot of the critical reviewing here is from grown ups wanting Star Wars to grow up with them and it hasnt.

I’m not in the “hate” camp, more a critical observer.. and nah, no kids either but I do have nephews (eldest is 12) and I’d not take him to see it..
I would however sit him down and watch all of the Star Wars movies in succession, and leave this latest until last..
He can then make his own informed decision.

Comedy gold 😆

Seems to be a minority view, even from people who like the other films.

It seems to be about 50/50 to me the ones who hate it a big majority were expecting final answers after being hyped to shit, they didn’t get them so through their Ewoks out their land speeders.

He did, as did I. I just think a lot of the critical reviewing here is from grown ups wanting Star Wars to grow up with them and it hasnt.

Very much this, Luke’s character did none of the things I wanted or expected. And it’s a better film for it.

Yes there are some plot holes, odd parts and clunky dialogue but it’s escapism.

The people fervently complaining about one ship not being able to overtake another due to weight seems entirely comfortable with ignoring general relativity and time dialation...

I loved it - and as a properly middle aged star wars fan. Yes it had flaws but I have yet to watch a film that didn't (including Empire). But then I wasn't expecting perfection.

The Leia Mary Poppins scene was grim and, while I cannot properly forgive it, it was at least brief. I agree that the casino element was pointless and it tested my suspension of disbelief but I have forgiven it due to the other headline excellent elements (e.g. Snoke/Rey/Ren fight and Mark Hamill generally).

This currently ranks as my 4th best SW film after Empire, Rogue 1 and a new hope.

Really looking forward to next watch with eldest boy (only 6 years old but he loves SW and think it will be fine for him at that age).

Yes there are some plot holes, odd parts and clunky dialogue

FWIW I think they managed a great job with Rogue One and although I enjoyed watching TLJ (cos it was Star Wars) it's a poorly made film standing on its own IMO.

Seems to be a minority view, even from people who like the other films. I can save my £35. Thanks for helping me make up my mind STW.

Seems to mainly be people who go to a film to dissect it and look for plot holes etc that don't like it. I watch films to be entertained.

This is what's disappointing for me... it's a billion dollar franchise, Disney must have near limitless resources, just get someone with a bit of common sense to check it over before you release it FFS!

Yes this. You'd think they would be able to afford the best writers in Hollywood.... hang on maybe they did 😯

I thought it looked great but damn it was long and it did feel like I'd seen it all before. Essentially it was a greatest hits.

Who is Snokes anyway? Where'd he come from?

I went to see it and I really wanted it to be great. I didn't want to think it might be shit, and this is from someone who saw E1 at an early press screening and thoroughly enjoyed it BITD. I've watched it (voluntarily!) since and still don't hate its guts, but I really can't say I'm that arsed about ever seeing TLJ again. I hope any stand alone films are better and they don't ruin them with jokey bants. It works ok in the Marvel films but not in Star Wars, please.

Oh, and why no bacta treatments for Finn or Leia? What's with the stupid oxygen tent things? Shit, shit, shit, shitty shit. Get in the ****ing sea.

Read the first three pages of this thread… is it all like this? The humourless and anal missing out on enjoying a fun film?

Just been with the family, everyone loved it.

Whilst i get lots of people saying it is a kids film and therefore the humour and everything is fine, i think anyone making a Star Wars movie has know they are making a film that has to appeal to a broad spectrum and as much as everyone says it is a childrens film, you only have to stand at the doors of the cinema to see that the screenings are mostly 30-45 year old men!

Even if it is a kids film, it is still 2 1/2 hours long, and being a kids film doesn't mean the writing, dialogue and storytelling have to be shoddy, the best of the kids films are such often because they are snappy, well written and do not insult kids intelligence, you only have to look at films like Up or Inside Out to see this.

Whilst dissecting a film kills most of the enjoyment, the comments that the critics are being harsh or expecting this to be something else seem out of place. I'm reading this thread and agreeing with most comments on the problems in the film.

I was not expecting The Last Jedi or any future star wars film to appeal like I'm a kid but this is a very patchy film. Quite wooden acting, a story arc that's pretty dull and overly familiar, and even the set pieces feel like we've seen it all before.

I loved Force awakens, was indifferent to Rogue one, but think this is at best a 6/10.

Haha! FA was good but it was Episode IV redone.

Drac - Moderator

Haha! FA was good but it was Episode IV redone

Absolutely, but regardless, it had some excitement and fast pacing. There wasnt anything about it in particular that you thought should have been cut, or a character you wanted rid of particularly. Unlike TLJ

That’s a very different reason than being all too familiar and wooden acting, that is Star Wars in a nutshell poor acting, poor plots and all familiar but some good action bits. TLJ has exactly that, yes there was silly bits but there has always been silly bits through most of them.

Look, the first few minutes has Eddie Hitler dressed as an imperial officer, if that doesn't give you an idea of where this film is heading then you just don't get it, it will not make sense, not the gravity bombs in space, the slow space ships, the girl raised on a desert being able to swim straight away, the slowly following the enemy ship even though you could have sent a few of your own ahead, the tribute to Mary Poppjns, the where was Lukes metal hand when he evaporated, why would you taste a foreign planets dirt bit etc.
I at first thought, well this is a travesty to Star Wars but then I realized, I'm a middle aged guy and its just a film, so I let it slide after page 2 of this thread.

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The drunk says it all.

Just back from the pictures and have to say I thought it was carp. Plot and baddies were paper thin, the acting was awful, none of it made sense, and they threw in every cliche going. Thing is even the kids thought it was pants so not even a great kids film. Very disappoint.

Well if you think this film was bad, I just watched Dunkirk. Holy Jesus it was bloody awfull , cant believe its a Christopher Nolan film , no way.

Made TLJ look amazeballs.

I saw it! It was ok - nowhere near as bad as Force Awakens, that's for sure. Lots of silly bits, I mean, the stuff drunk bloke waffled on about I just let wash over me - worst bit for me was the light speed collision of 2 space ships, devastation except our 2 heroes who were just about to be decapitated (slowly of course), completely unharmed. Apart from that, I survived.

vongassit - Member
Well if you think this film was bad, I just watched Dunkirk. Holy Jesus it was bloody awfull , cant believe its a Christopher Nolan film , no way.

I thought this as well, the way it ends with the Resistance at an all time low, preparing the way for a huge comeback in episode IX

I thought that whole set up was poor - all of the resistance are in that cave!! What like 4 people?

Basically see the end of Thor Ragnarok, similar idea there

I thought that whole set up was poor - all of the resistance are in that cave!! What like 4 people?

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As pointed out they’re scattered all over the galaxy it mentioned that more than once in film

[quote=donks ]Just back from the pictures and have to say I thought it was carp. Plot and baddies were paper thin, the acting was awful, none of it made sense, and they threw in every cliche going. Thing is even the kids thought it was pants so not even a great kids film. Very disappoint.

this pretty much sums up my view

Added nothing but fluff to the cannon that is slowly being eviscerated for money

Its not great 5/10 and 2/10 without any special effects

Luke drinking fanboy tears!!
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You really would have to be a Star wars fanboi to enjoy this, sat through it with teenage son in the belief he would enjoy it, he didn't.
Certainly a homage to the original movies, pure fromage.

Nope, no-one else is out there as no-one answered the call when it was broadcast.

Bitty mummy:

http://mashable.com/2017/12/18/star-wars-last-jedi-weirdest-wtf-moment/#IPQl_gPoyqqr

Nope, no-one else is out there as no-one answered the call when it was broadcast.

Errr! They’re out there it was explained it simple terms, for it is kids film, they were out there and why they didn’t answer.

Haven’t read above or seen the movie.

Can’t get a centre seat for 2 at my cinema for weeks?!

Agh hate you all ;0)

Just wait for the DVD, you'll be able to skip the casino bit and pause when you need the loo/want a cuppa.

I reckon the whole casino bit and the build up to it could be edited out (before someone watched it for the first time) and they wouldn't notice anything was missing.

Depends if that kid with the broom is important or not

Basically see the end of Thor Ragnarok, similar idea there

Thor is shit loads better though, apart from Deadpool I reckon it's the best Marvel movie so far.

I was so excited about TLJ as really liked TFA and Rogue One. There were some good bits nestled in there but there were so many cringe worthy unnecessary shrapnels of Star Wars turds that I came away forgetting all about them.

I watched it this afternoon and six hours later I realised my biggest gripe with it: not enough Chewie. A classic all time favourite character for many fans consigned to a few bit part appearances, with virtually no dialogue.

Needs more Chewie!

No these are the leaders and a bulk of their forces, they also have lots of people around the galaxy who need to come together.

You mean the bulk of their forces that all managed to get aboard the Millennium Falcon without even having to sit on each others laps?