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No, not comparing it to it as such, as I thought my second line said... It’s clearly nowhere near as bad a movie as TPM, but it didn’t have the right feel (like TPM) and nowhere near as good as TFA or Rogue One.
If they’d just left the cheap humour on the cutting floor, left out that weird Leia scene and made it a bit dirtier I’d have enjoyed it so much more.
As it was, it felt cheesy and disjointed, and I left disappointed.
I agree that, in a lot of ways, it didn't feel like a Star Wars film. I think that, along with the plot twists made it really engaging for me. I'm not sure how that will stand up to repeated viewings but will find out soon enough.
The casino I didn't mind as I had a feeling it was going somewhere, and judging by the ending, it's a sign of things to come rather than important in itself.
Some of the visuals were really good, I loved the salt lake and the ships looked ace. There were a couple of moments of silence which were great as well.
While I've got some ideas, the biggest question for me is: what does The Force Awakens actually mean?
I really enjoyed it, flaws and all. If you see it as a step towards a 'reinvention' of the franchise then the stuff that some people found out of place - like the tone of the humour - makes more sense. TFA was the safe bet to get the new trilogy off the ground and TLJ is the film to 'kill the past etc.' so it can move on.
Best bits -
the fight in Snoke's chamber, loved that.
The confrontation of Luke and Kylo Ren
opening space battle
worst
Maz Kanatas bit - why?
The code breaker guy and his double cross thing
Capt Phasma - only slightly redeemed
Will go and see it again in a couple of weeks.
Just seen it - it's weak, but it doesn't leave me as cold as TFA.
Hoping Solo will be as good as Rogue One...
I have mixed feelings about it. There were really good bits but I reckon it should have been much more aggressively edited. Not just chopping out Space Vegas but getting through a lot of the rest of it more quickly. By giving not just Rey, Poe and Finn plots, but also Ren, Leia and Luke too it all got stretched out.
The ending had many spectacles but as I'd already gone through the lightsaber duels and the cruiser hyperspace attack I was maybe getting a bit punch drunk. Plus the "cut to no sound" thing that happened for a couple of the big ship explosions felt really not Star Wars to me.
I liked the Rey/Ren interactions and their big confrontation, it did feel to me like that could go in a number of directions. The Rey/Luke stuff was generally good too but I would have been happier if it had taken about as long as the Dagobah bits took in Empire. Rose was a good addition, except for the fact that a lot of her bits were part of the Space Vegas sequence. Benico Del Toro's part would have been more appropriate as a recurring character in a TV series than in a movie.
One of the issues of Lucasfiln being in the Disney studio is how they (Disney) kill off characters. Watch the video above, Disney villans fall to their deaths, it's a way of killing off the baddie without having your child's hero becoming a murderer, apply this rule to the battle and death of Capt. Phasma.
I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, it just signals the hand of a studio. Look out soon for the "princess-ing" of Ray
"Salty."
I really enjoyed it but by the time it finished i felt like there was a lot of unanswered questions.
Is Luke really dead?
Who was Snoke?
Are Reys parents really nobodies? I think she might turn out to be a palpatine?
What is going to happen with Leia in the next film?
Is Ren really the bad guy?
Could Ren and Rey swap, Rey definitely has something dark about her in this film.
Watch the video above, Disney villans fall to their deaths, it's a way of killing off the baddie without having your child's hero becoming a murderer, apply this rule to the battle and death of Capt. Phasma.
To be fair they also had no problems about slicing Snoke in half and decapitating his minions.
Regarding the princessing theory, if you follow the trajectory of recent Disney female leads they are continually moving away from the helpless girl stereotype - see Moana - for example. They have enough 'classic' princesses in their back catalogue so they don't need any more, things have moved on.
Remember also that the exec producer is Kathleen Kennedy...
Watched it, loved it.
Was a little bereft at the end, massive over reaction I know but Luke Skywalker was part of my childhood.
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Was a little bereft at the end, massive over reaction I know but Luke Skywalker was part of my childhood.
He isn't dead 🙂
Second time seeing it now, and its good but could have been better with some judicious application of the cutting room floor. The humour, some of it anyway, is too contemporary. Whole of the Space Vegas bit...I'm just not sure. I think what they're trying to say is that whether or not the light or the dark is in the ascendant, someone is making money and hence the cycle continues progressed by commerce, and that this too has to stop. BDT's character epitomises this by selling them out, venally.
But I dunno.
I did like the red/white symbolism, particularly near the end. I'm guessing that "red breaking through white" is to symbolise the rise of the resistance; the old-school rebellion colours were red and white. Also noticed this time that in the Ren/Luke fight, Luke's feet left no traces- nice touch.
The milk drinking/big rubber fish fishing scene must have been to show that Luke was living a primitive existence, but could have been done in a better way IMO.
I also cringed a bit when that Scottish actress did her accent-mashup on the bridge of the First Order's ship; like me, she's Glaswegian (nearly) and I could hear that coming through. I suppose the idea of Space Weegies has a wee bit to go yet 🙂
Still enjoyed it; second half is better than first.
The disappointing thing about the Star Wars films like the Alien franchise is there are actually more poor films than great ones.
You cling to the hope that the next one will ignite your imagination like the original two films.
Never though ROTJ was very good either and that tips the balance.
Second time seeing it now, and its good but could have been better with some judicious application of the cutting room floor. The humour, some of it anyway, is too contemporary.
Like a lot of 150min films.
They should've focused up all of the stuff with Luke and Rey in. That really dragged the film down when it should have been gathering momentum.
A classic like Goodfellas which runs at a similar duration certainly packs more pace, plot and character in its editing. But then we're comparing apples and oranges.
Salty
That was particularly bad exposition. Reminded me of Lethal Weapon when Mel Gibson tasted the petrol and said , "Exxon".
Never though ROTJ was very good either and that tips the balance.
I just fast-forward through most of the Endor scenes to make it enjoyable :).
A classic like Goodfellas which runs at a similar duration certainly packs more pace, plot and character in its editing. But then [s]we[/s]you're 😉 comparing apples and oranges.
For sure! Even though the storyline is mostly fantasy it's got some of the best cinematography ever to come out of Hollywood and a superbly matched soundtrack. Not that Star Wars music isn't tippy-top...
Well I thought itcwas a cracking movie
My main though is that Mark Hamill is a great actor,
Adam Driver has matured from emo to conflicted adult.
They’ve made Poe Dameron into a dick.
Only think that really grates with me was super girl in space Leia.
Will watch it again
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My main though is that Mark Hamill is a great actor,
He really is.
Also, the casino scene was perfectly timed. It allowed me to go for a piss and not miss anything important
Not read the whole thread but did anyone else notice Rey had nicked the Jedi text books? They were in that drawer she opens in th ‘Falcon near the end.
just seen it, thought it was amazing. I'd love to see it again with a remote control so I could rewind the bits I missed - so much going on.
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the number of strong female roles in the resistance. that really stood out for me. Fisher, the replacement Admiral, Rey, Rose, fighter pilots, bomber pilots. not just token roles.
only odd part for me was Luke milking that beached Manatee thing on Achtoo.
on Achtoo.
So named because it’s so cold and wet it makes you sneeze?
Also, the casino scene was perfectly timed. It allowed me to go for a piss and not miss anything important
This.
There should be some kind of sign that come up on the screen that means you can safely leave your seat for 5 minutes and you will not miss anything plot wise. I'm middle aged, films that go past 90 minutes take some logistical planning on the beverage side.
I was entertained.
Only bit that really grated was when Leia did that cringey force-fly-back-to-the-ship thing - in particular when the single doors were opened to let her back in and NO ONE GOT SUCKED OUT!
A couple of articles I found interesting.
[url= http://mashable.com/2017/12/15/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score/?utm_cid=hp-h-7#n9iPzMyjmaq4 ]http://mashable.com/2017/12/15/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score/?utm_cid=hp-h-7#n9iPzMyjmaq4[/url]
[url= http://mashable.com/2017/12/16/star-wars-the-last-jedi-fan-reactions/?utm_cid=hp-r-1#h2y.4GiHmsqk ]http://mashable.com/2017/12/16/star-wars-the-last-jedi-fan-reactions/?utm_cid=hp-r-1#h2y.4GiHmsqk[/url]
Summary:
People don't like it because it doesn't feel like Star Wars.
Other people like it because it doesn't feel like Star Wars.
only odd part for me was Luke milking that beached Manatee thing on Achtoo.
Blue milk.
Yeah PP spotted the books too.
It was green milk.
Also, Gwendoline Christie’s left eye managed to get some screen time I see.
I'm going to see it again tonight (3rd time) and I'm actually looking forward to it. Maybe as Mashable says, we need to let go of the past. Its a bit of entertainment after all.
It was green milk.
Correct.
Maybe as Mashable says, we need to let go of the past. Its a bit of entertainment after all.
It had plenty of Star Wars in it and needs to move on a bit, Han is gone, Luke vanished and Liah hasn’t got much time left.
we need to let go of the past
this is the overriding theme of the film!
I was hoping for "that would be an ecumenical matter" from Luke during the Craggy Island scenes.
I watched it with a load of teenage boys. Lots of stifled laughter at Snoke's 'spunk' line....
Did anyone else think there was some dis-continuity in Reys sceans? It might be the seats we were in but some sceans she looked skinyer than others.
I enjoyed it, i think some are remembering the films through childhood eyes and imagination whilst watching new films with adult cynicism.
Went to watch it with dwan jr(9) and he sat jaw dropped, even closing his eyes and holding out his hand when Luke was training Rey to feel the force.
I also cringed a bit when that Scottish actress did her accent-mashup on the bridge of the First Order's ship; like me, she's Glaswegian (nearly) and I could hear that coming through. I suppose the idea of Space Weegies has a wee bit to go yet
She is abysmal. Her lines in Prometheus were horrific
Went to watch it with dwan jr(9) and he sat jaw dropped, even closing his eyes and holding out his hand when Luke was training Rey to feel the force.
Which is pretty much what the films are about but they’re cult following means they try to please an older audience too.
Not read the whole thread but did anyone else notice Rey had nicked the Jedi text books? They were in that drawer she opens in th ‘Falcon near the end.
I was wondering about those!!! Watched for the second time today and noticed them.
It was also a pleasure to watch Ade Edmondson now I know he's in it 🙂
It really is a great film, probably my favourite since The Empire Strikes back (appropriately enough!! 🙂 )
I expected Luke’s lightsaber to be green, but it was also his original he was holding (the one Rey and Kylo had already broken)
I guess this may have been something to do with the fact he wasn’t really there?!?
Top is the one from ANH ESB TFA, bottom RTJ
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So here's another question: Whatever happened to The Knights of Ren? I'm guessing that's what Luke was referring to when he said 'he fled with a handful of my students' after Kylo destroyed the Jedi Temple, but they don't feature again....
Did Kylo not kill them all?
The Knights of Who? Oh... those guys. So, about all that stuff we introduced in TFA, we're, uh, just going to forget all that stuff happened... ok?
So were they not them red fellas?
Re. Rey's parents, she had a flashback in TFA of her being left on Jakku as a ship blasted away, so clearly there's more to her background than them being alchys that sold her off
Anyone think we'll ever get a resolution on how Luke's lightsaber got collected from Bespin and ended up with Maz Kanata?
I think they basically decided that JJ Abrams had shoved far to much nonsense into TFA so just chose to ignore it. Otherwise you’d just have a movie that centred on exposition,
Up to JJ if he wants to revisit it all in the next one though
This is the thing that really grates though. It's like they have rebooted the reboot 2 films into a trilogy. I might consider petitioning to re-edit TFA and TLJ into one better start to a new trilogy, there is surely a coherent story that could be told while still introducing the new characters and giving a satisfactory end to the old ones.