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That Teresa May certainly knows how to negotiate a deal. Not.
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That money tree is growing fast! 😉
Surely £10m each for £10 votes - sounds like a bargain!
Surely £10m each for £10 votes - sounds like a bargain
Eh?
Jeez what are we going to end up paying the EU? 😉
I might email my Labour MP to advise her to accept £100 million for the town in exchange for voting through the Queen's Speech.
So under Barnett that means extra money for Scotland and wales - IIRC 5 billion for Scotland, 2 billion for wales.
Watch the press for the demands and then the wriggling from the tories
Well, it was a sight cheaper than two new aircraft carriers....
She is an enemy of the people.
She and her cronies must be held accountable.
The only people she can blame for her failings are us, the British people.After all, a massive majority voted for whatever shit storm she conjure up.
We will soon feel her wrath.
Seems that might not be true. From the Beeb:So under Barnett that means extra money for Scotland and wales - IIRC 5 billion for Scotland, 2 billion for wales.
Sources close to the deal suggest the agreement may not affect the so-called Barnet formula - which governs the distribution of public spending across the UK nations - because most of the money will go to specific projects rather than general spending.
Seems plausible... i.e. they'd try to avoid giving Scotland and Wales extra cash
The Barnett formula is said to have "no legal standing or democratic justification",[3] and, being merely a convention, could be changed at will by the Treasury.
But but but my constituency in Wales voted Tory! Why dont we get extra money! Not fair
So £1bn is the price of hubris, and they've just given a display of how poor they are at negotiations. Bodes well 🙄
1 billion from less than 300,000 votes 😆
mudshark - Member
The Barnett formula is said to have "no legal standing or democratic justification",[3] and, being merely a convention, could be changed at will by the Treasury.
That's good, we are looking for a suitable opportunity to provide the publicity for another referendum.
But what is this going to do to the Good Friday Agreement? And following from that Ireland has said it will veto any Brexit deal if it is unhappy about the GFA.
So it looks like no Brexit deal because of a bad deal with the DUP.
dmorts - thats how they will try to weasel out of it but Barnett is a mechanism for avoiding unfair spending deals and extra money for NI should mean extra money for Scotland and Wales - its all based on % of total spending
isn't it more like 150 million.
To the gang that may have a slight history of ballsing up.
(Explains the sneaky leak about it being 2billion to soften us up for accepting 1billion + the other odd half billion)
Mark Thomas: "'We send the DUP £1bn, let's fund our NHS instead' hey let's put that on the side of a bus."
quite.
It's a interesting to hear all the criticism coming from the Labour Party and that they would never dream of negotiating with the DUP or offer financial inducements in order to secure a coalition.
Despite the fact they did exactly the same thing at the 2010 and 2015 elections.
Despite the fact they did exactly the same thing at the 2010 and 2015 elections.
Not sure if you have noticed but the Labour leadership changed recently? So the relevance of the previous elections is somewhat limited unless you quote Corbyn and co?
Plus reading that article all Brown seems to have said is he wasnt going to reduce spending from previously agreed levels.
So not quite the same thing as the Maybot is promising.
I know it is hard defending the tories at the moment but you really could try harder.
Not sure if you have noticed but the Labour leadership changed recently? So the relevance of the previous elections is somewhat limited unless you quote Corbyn and co?
Ah ok. Yes. Current Labour Party is "different" to old Labour Party despite the fact most of the MPs are the same.
Where were Corbyn's and McDonnell's voices in 2010 and 2015 then? Curiously there doesn't seem to be any record of them speaking out against Labour discussions with the DUP back then.
Ah ok. Yes. Current Labour Party is "different" to old Labour Party despite the fact most of the MPs are the same.Where were Corbyn's and McDonnell's voices in 2010 and 2015 then? Curiously there doesn't seem to be any record of them speaking out against Labour discussions with the DUP back then.
Whether or not Labour with our without Corbyn was in talks with the DUP, the BNP, Kim Jong Un or Kim Kardashian, what difference does it make beyond Internet Point Scoring as to what was said seven years and three elections ago? Is "he did it years ago" justification for doing it today?
They're all politicians, most of them will change their minds and their allegiances as often as their socks. Two years ago May was a staunch Remain campaigner and a year ago we were led to believe we were going to send more money to the NHS. That all went well, didn't it.
What Cougar said.
Pointing out how shitty someone else was 7 years ago doesn't excuse shitty behaviour now.
How the hell can this be legal?
Curiously there doesn't seem to be any record of them speaking out against Labour discussions with the DUP back then.
Yes because the press are well known for reporting them accurately arent they?
Since you want me to go searching how about you go and find where the Maybot is on record condemning the tories vote Labour and get the SNP ads.
Or just stick to the fact that Brown simply said he wasnt going to cut spending and didnt offer them billions on top plus any old policies the DUP fancied.
imagine saving all that money denying benefits to people in need and then blowing it all to prop up a government in need.
Desperate Tories fanboys trying to compare zombie Maybots morality deficit to something Gordon Brown didnt do 7 years ago...... 😆
Wow! Labour did a deal with the DUP in 2010 and 2015!? The mind boggles!
Oh wait, they didn't actually do a deal- so what was your point Tories?
He ( Ian Blackford) also claimed that the Scotland secretary, David Mundell, had categorically assured the SNP that Scotland would be in line for “Barnett consequentials as a result of the DUP deal”.
As we should be given how often we have been assured that Barnett is not going to be changed.
5 billion please. Enough to dual the A9 and a nice pay rise for the public sector
They better spend it fast if we get another election the torys might ask for it back.
So tidal Eco power this time?
They're just setting themselves up for criticism, they seem to be handing the opposition rocks for throwing at them.
All those "new" Tories in Scotland are going to feel stung!
Remember kids, what Labour did in the past is way more importany than what the Tories do today and tomorrow
Or rather, what Labour didn't do
I take it the missing Magic Money Tree has been found then?
All those "new" Tories in Scotland are going to feel stung!
Why, because 'they got something we didn't get'?
Isn't that what all you lefties call the politics of envy?
what Labour did in the past
You're forgetting, that wasn't Labour, it was the evil Red Tories...
What is this other dimension you speak of ninfan?
Democracy at it's worse..
Democracy at it's worse..
I reckon Germany, 1933, probably tops it to be honest
Feels a bit wrong, but it is no different to, and pales into insignificance compared to the half a trillion pounds worth of bribes in Corbyn's manifesto.
Ruth Davidson should threaten that the 13 Scottish Tories will vote against the Queen's Speech unless the Barnett formula is applied to the DUP bribe.
He ( Ian Blackford) also claimed that the Scotland secretary, David Mundell, had categorically assured the SNP that Scotland would be in line for “Barnett consequentials as a result of the DUP deal”.As we should be given how often we have been assured that Barnett is not going to be changed.
5 billion please. Enough to dual the A9 and a nice pay rise for the public sector
Isn't it a percentage of revenue? So England would have to find some extra money too, which doesn't seem very likely.
ChrisL - Member
Ruth Davidson should threaten that the 13 Scottish Tories will vote against the Queen's Speech unless the Barnett formula is applied to the DUP bribe.
I'm sure she's feeling a bit pissed off right now. She's being uncharacteristically quiet.
I wonder was her trip to London in expectation of getting the assistant Secy of State for Scotland job and elevation to the HoL?
So if I'm right, and bearing in mind May is on a shoogly peg, maybe we will see some reaction.
Fair point 🙂I reckon Germany, 1933, probably tops it to be honest
tinas - its % of spending IIRC. Its an odd arcane formula that really could do with replacement however its pretty clear that extra spending for NI above barnet should mean equivalent funding for Scotland and wales.
On Davidson - seeing as she is gay and is in ( or going to be in) a protestant / Catholic marriage you can bet she is most unhappy at the DUP deal. Her tweet on it was very good.
epicyclo - I doubt very much Davidson will bring down a tory government but I bet she extracts a price for staying quiet. She is unlike most senior tories in that she is not beholden to anyone at westminster and is part of no faction. she has her own power base in Scotland and is very secure in it.