[Closed] The First STW Religion Poll

molgrips - Member
What is your faith background, chewkw? I am curious?

Buddhist

I ain't a saint and I am responsible for my own action.

If I get it wrong then I get it ... no ifs or buts ... no one will help me apart from myself.

For the none believers let's bet ... (I like betting this but it's a sin I can handle I think)

If there is heaven or hell upon your physical body turning carbon and if you are in the afterlife can you keep shouting out STW to every passing "soul" so you can group together? Really remember this coz you only have a very short time frame to remember this. 😛

If I happen to walk pass then I shall say ... how can I help?

4) Not interested and I know how to be a good person.

5) When religions lead to war and hatred.

Yes and no. The subject matter is quite weighty, and with respect to Stan Lee he doesn't have three thousand years of intellectual thought on a variety of topics behind his works

By that argument, why aren't we all worshipping the pantheon of the Ancient Greeks / Romans / Egyptians? They're as old again.

Good question, the answer to which is in history books.

hat I mean by this is, for example, we still don't really know for sure whether Robin Hood really existed. Our modern understanding is based on legends some 500 years old, which isn't a world apart from the NT's accounts of Jesus (and record-keeping has probably improved slightly in the intervening millennium). It's not a great leap to see how there might have been a bit of embellishment along the way. Maybe Jesus is an amalgam of a number of people who have been nice to each other over the years, maybe he was a proto-Derren Brown whose parlour tricks amazed the largely uneducated populace. Over five centuries of word-of-mouth retellings it's easy to see how rocking up to a handful of people armed with a packed lunch and a finger buffet could turn into the Sermon on the Mount.

I believe current thinking is that he's either historicised myth or mythologised history.

By that argument, why aren't we all worshipping the pantheon of the Ancient Greeks / Romans / Egyptians? They're as old again.

We sort of are. Much of the Jesus story is (possibly) a rehash of older religion.

Frankenstein - Member
4) Not interested and I know how to be a good person.

Interesting. How?

😛

By dint of not being an inherent sociopath, I'd expect.

1. But not a huge fan of organised religion.

Cougar - Moderator
By dint of not being an inherent sociopath, I'd expect.

I just checked the definition of sociopath

"sociopath/?s??s??(?)pa?,?s?????(?)-/
noun
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour."

That is not actually a sin if you have personality disorder ... (madness?)
i.e. you have no control over yourself ...

You're all far more bonkers, than those that have faith in religion!

Must 'ave a leek.

Was he some sort of Pharaoh?

Carry on 🙂

Cougar - Moderator
Was he some sort of Pharaoh?

I wonder idly whether what's needed is a rewrite of the Bible. So we can have an updated, modern guide to life that's in line with 21st Century thinking, laws and morals, but isn't dependant on circular logic and a tenuous belief in the supernatural

Well it is a work of fiction so why not - sarcasm but the point is it has to have some meaning and really tell us about god or it is meaningless and so is any re write.
God's law is NOT ineffable its infallible or how could we worship the think we dont understand?.Secondly God's mind is not changed it is always correct. I suppose the Church could say we got it wrong for a couple of millennia but this time we are sure even though no define revelation was involved ....good luck with that one
Not going to happem but yes we are stuck with the morals of 2-4,000 years ago and its pretty outdated.

Without wishing to insult in any way - I suspect that you are arriving at a point at which many other people who live and breathe this stuff their whole lives have already been through.

Please highlight the great theologian thinkers who demand a re write...go on lets have a list - Jesus wept* - see what I did there...probably not but hey ho.

* shortest verse in the Bible as I am sure you knew.

5 - Not a fan.

THM - where are you quoting from? Can't work out how to use iPad so can't highlight and search. To be fair I am a bit of traditionalist so historically most communion services I go to are based on 1664. We now have service sheets, but when I used the whole book there was space in the service for three readings - one from the Old Testament, one from the epistles and one from the gospel. However, the first one has never been used in my experience. Haven't followed liturgical development much, but the alternative forms of service may have different instructions. I do know worshipping using the ASB which I have at home is now illegal!

wonder idly whether what's needed is a rewrite of the Bible

Needs a reboot by JJ Abrams I think.

4 normally
5 when religious beliefs kill good people

most communion services I go to are based on 1664.

To be fair, I've have a few communions to St Kronenbourg in my time as well.

Mefty, I claim no expertise but was surprised by your comment. From google I got to

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/the-calendar/lect/lectrules.aspx

Correct me if I got it wrong.

Reboot you say

How about the Matrix?

That was a typo or Freudian slip, should be 1662.

4 normally
5 when religious beliefs kill good people

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THM - I saw that - I am confused as it conflicts with my experience - I will persecute our new gay vicar by asking him. To be honest this year I was half asleep on Easter Day because I went to the sunrise service.

😀

(1664 was funny too)

Started as a 1
Then a 2
Now a 4

1 although don't like to call it religion/religious.

I'd be a 4 if it were't for the fact that people use religion to justify doing so much harm.
So 5.

When's the results out?

5

Thing is, if you stick to Gods view (which never changes)

slowoldman - Member

I'm absolutely sure I have never done anyone any harm. I have no desire to. I'm your actual mild mannered man.

slowoldman - Member
I'm absolutely sure I have never done anyone any harm. I have no desire to. I'm your actual mild mannered man.

Good old Slowoldman chap. Well done! Yes, you are indeed.

In that case you might be going to a nice place in future. 😛

Just keep shouting "STW! STW!" in the after world (in future so not now) see how many responses you get. 😀

14 pages! crikey Moses!
fwiw I'ma 5 - but with a bit of 3 because I am interested.
But, each to their own so I'm going with a 4 unless someone gets hurt...
Oh no - back to a 5. 🙂

"Do you [s]lot[/s] have Asperger's Syndrome or something?"- yep. 🙂

I refer you to the point i made some time ago and also Dunning Kruger

I'm not too stupid to understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with you. There is a difference 🙂

Please highlight the great theologian thinkers who demand a re write.

Uhh.. I didn't mean it quite as literally as that. There'd be no point in re-writing a historical document, it's not really possible. In order to do that you'd have to erase the old version. However you can write new things without deleting the old ones. New writing like, I dunno, Martin Luther's theses? Enough of a famous theological thinker for you?

Uhh.. I didn't mean it quite as literally as that. There'd be no point in re-writing a historical document, it's not really possible. In order to do that you'd have to erase the old version. However you can write new things without deleting the old ones. New writing like, I dunno, Martin Luther's theses? Enough of a famous theological thinker for you?

There are newer edits of the bible - [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible ]Thomas Jefferson created his own edit of the Bible[/url] (literally cutting and pasting) without any mentions of miracles, the supernatural, or the resurrection.

There have also been attempts to create an atheist bible, taking writings from various humanist/atheist philosophers and combining them into one book. Hitchens' "[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Atheist-Essential-Readings-Non-Believer/dp/0306816083 ]The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer[/url]" is one I've read.

For anyone with teenagers, I'd recommend Alom Shaha's [url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Young-Atheists-Handbook-Lessons-without/dp/184954722X ]Young Atheist's Handbook[/url], which is less likely to make your kid into an insufferable prick than reading something by Dawkins or Hitchins.

I'd be up for a theology/shed building ride and beers. In theory at least, practicalities may scupper it for me

I'd be up for a theology/shed building

I like where you're going with this.
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In the beginning was the yard. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the shedbuilder.

And the shedbuilder said, "let there be light," and nipped out to buy a box of 60W bulbs from Wilkinson's.

And the shedbuilder saw the light, and saw that it'd do he supposed.

And the shedbuilder thought he'd have got more done in the first day.

And the shedbuilder said, "let there be a firmament."

And the shedbuilder made the firmament, and divided the hardcore below from the concrete above, and it was so.

And the shedbuilder called the firmament a rude word, for the shedbuilder was a bit puffed out. And the evening was the second day.

I'd agree with Tyson.

I agree with Richard, despite the barbed eloquence (which I actually quite enjoy).

Possibly no surprise...

Sorry, I've been away for a few hours. I'll try and catch up.

Mr Woppit - Do tell.

I'm trying to live by God's standards, not mans.

Hell is not the same across all Christian denominations.

So True.

Unlike the Quran (as far as I know anyway).

In what way? As far as I'm aware, the Quran also has many authors that add to it over time and some still do. The first being Mohammed

LD - 1 although don't like to call it religion/religious.

I'm the same.

slowoldman - Are you sure? Have asked him? Sounds a bit intransigent to me.

His Word hasn't changed since it was first written.

I've prayed to Him and asked these questions. The answers are in the Bible and history. The British Museum do a fascinating Bible tour, backing up a lot of what's in there.

One of the things I've never been able to get my heard round with religion is the idea that you can pick and choose which bits to believe and follow. Surely in my head, if you believe then you believe it all? So, in my head at least, you can't rewrite the bible for modern values as by doing so you're saying the original is not fact. And so, by extension, if it's not fact you're basing your beliefs on a work of fiction which is at best, a bit odd.

In an odd way, the ultra religious people I have more respect for, they've said they believe and they follow everything as opposed to discarding the bits that don't fit for them. The idea it can be changed to fit a modern world is a very strange concept for me.

Lunge - the CoE seem to really struggle with this. More orthodox religions less so and then they get flak for maintaining positions on issues that have changed in the public eye homsexuality, role of woman, abortion etc. Can't win.

I disagree with the pick and chose bit. I think that is a great strategy especially across religions. I find guidance with regard peace and happiness and the meaning of life in all of them. It's a pity to be restricted to one version and that's before you get into the wider aspects of architecture, music, poetry, art, philosophy/ethics etc