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Massa has never been much of an overtaker IMO - fast when in a good car and out front but questionable when racing in the field.
I was hoping he'd breeze past
Well he did. Sort of.
Interesting news about Adrian Newey at the weekend too. Looks like RB have paid him a bunch of cash to let him have a go at racing yachts/road cars/Le Mans/whatever and keep him away from the competition. He'd said he was interested in the America's Cup for a while so perhaps it was more likely that he'd move away from F1 than go to another team, but it's a canny move by RB to keep him available if they need a bit of help.
I'm not convinced that Rosberg won't have his share of issues as the year moves on so it's still way to early to be talking about a champion elect. I do think it's a bit early to be talking about a Red Bull revival - without the ERS problem the race would've been another easy win for Mercedes.
And what does Ricciardo's performance this year say about 4 times WDC Sebastian Vettel?
He needs a break?
It is nice to see Williams at the sharper end again. I was expecting big things of panda face with the rate he was gaining ground on the front four but he simply managed to show why he was dropped by Ferrari and got a sore neck for his trouble. Time for sportscars I think.
[quote=hora ]One Merc driver is consistent, quiet, gets on with it.
Indeed - he got on with 4 wins in a row, still managing the win even when the safety car put him at a huge disadvantage due to different strategy. I think Canada is also the first time there was anything he could have done different to come away with a win.
massa had drs, but so did the whole chain
so do lewis and nico get grid penalty next time for engine changes?
impressive stuff though fending off drivers 1-2sec a lap faster when you're a sitting duck, no ERS, no DRS. Nico could easily have been 5th.
Shame nobody saw Jenson find another couple of places on that last lap (as well as the 2 gifted by carnage).
And I'm sure a naysayer must have said "procession" 🙄
Massa was attacking Vettel on the outside into the chicane, each time all Vettel had to do was slowly slide out to close the door and put him on a good line for the corner. FFS man try putting it up the inside cos you aren't going to drive round the outside in the 1st part of that chicane.
@nemisis
"If it was that obvious and LH could have done something about it, the team would have been telling him to drop back from Nico to avoid the brakes failing. They didn't so it's just bad luck and clearly not LH's fault. "
err they did tell him and they also told NICO...
or do you think they would just see all that data of the rears overheating and not tell lewis
do you think Lewis would not be all over that in the press telling everyone that the team didnt tell him to drop back and cool it, didnt tell him his brakes were cooking and didnt tell him that its obvious the ERS has failed and the rear brakes work harder
he'd be crying all that out like a baby
instead he says almost nothing,
cos he cannot stand to up for his own mistakes,
he cannot stand mentally to think anyone thinks he could possibly do anything wrong or make a mistake, "coz hez senna maaan!"
...yet the team know the truth...
Blimey. Check out the Red Button. Suzi's boots and Coulthard's and Jordan's trousers! Clown clothes or what?
They must have a bet on to see who can find the most ridiculous trousers.
Is she preggers?
@back2basics - there's only one element of the Mercedes team that screwed up and that's the designers.
What do you expect Lewis to do? If he sits back 2 or 3 second he may as well just let Nico stroll to a win. Is only hope is to force him into an error - which he did, and for which Nico received no penalty.
there's only one element of the Mercedes team that screwed up and that's the designers.
I know, terrible car they've turned out this year, hey. 😯
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Shame nobody saw Jenson find another couple of places on that last lap (as well as the 2 gifted by carnage).
The directing was rubbish wasn't it? Cutting to extended shots of the crowd or Phillipe's brother during key battles.
Also Nico was lucky to get away with his error again (chicane cutting). Big benefit this race as well, probably gained a second or so looking at the lap times.
err they did tell him and they also told NICO...
...after the MGUK units had failed. At which point Lewis then ran at 2ish seconds behind.
In earlier radio messages Nico asked what Lewis was doing that he wasn't - the team advised him it was brake balance. Lewis was running more rearward bias. And if you know anything about cars you know the fronts do most of the breaking, so you could argue he was protecting the fronts.
As also explained after the race - Nico was running in clear air the whole time, and could pick his braking spots so the brakes were never as hot in the first place.
Nico was also carrying a rabbits foot, St Christopher and 4 leaf clover!
Wolff believes that the peak in temperatures when Hamilton made his second stop for tyres just put him over the edge and triggered the brake failure that ended his race.Nico Rosberg leads Lewis Hamilton, Merccedes, Canadian GP 2014, Montreal
"We told both drivers to manage the brakes because when you lose the electric motor and you lose the electric braking, the brakes are overheating massively," he said.
"We changed the balance within the braking system and told them to both be careful.
"Both of them complied exactly to what they had been told to do. It was very marginal though.
"When Lewis entered into the pits, with a stationary car, the temperatures rose and when he went out the pedal just went soft and fell down completely. On Nico's car he was lucky not to have that."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114358
Both drivers did what they were told. Except of course no doubt some people know better than old Toto that it was actually LH's fault. Presumably they're protecting him, etc to avoid people seeing the truth that he's just fast but stupid.
he's just fast but stupid.
Abit too harsh. Lewis is very good but the more the new cars become more complex/develop they require more than just an intelligent driver. They need a multi-tasker.
Lewis would have cleaned up in the 90's/early 00's era. Now he'd be better off in different formats/America..
And yet he's consistently one of the best drivers at saving fuel so clearly he seems capable of managing the new requirements fairly well.
Rosberg had plenty of luck yesterday
Rosberg locked up and got a flatspot under braking for the final chicane on Lap 25 which he missed and collected a warning from the stewards. He could have been given a penalty instead
After his first pits stop he almost collected the wall at the exit of Turn 4. He was behind Hamilton on fuel and constantly asked for brake balance advice. On the radio he sounded panicky. It was less of a stunning drive from Rosberg and more of a stunning recovery from the Mercedes engineers who talked him back to a reasonable pace.
Had he not possessed the rear gunner that was Perez, he would have finished fourth behind Ricciardo, Vettel and Massa.
Cracking race though, and really glad to see Ricciardo win
On the radio he sounded panicky
People read too much into how people 'sound' when racing IMO - I don't reckon this actually gives much of an insight into peoples' state of mind based on my experiences in sport - some people sound very shouty/agressive/panicky when they're perfectly calm for example.
Interesting to read the comments here and the press. Will watch the final stages when I get the chance (have some rugby etc to catch up on too). From my (not particularly knowledgeable) perspective it does seem Hamilton needs to be a bit smarter sometimes, he comes over as very do or die (s or bust) and given the issues with the car it would have seemed to make more sense to try and protect some points rather than blow the brakes up. I'm glad there is some in team rivalry and actually it looks smart Mercedes are allowing it, and if there where team orders they would have to be for Rosberg.
What do you expect Lewis to do? If he sits back 2 or 3 second he may as well just let Nico stroll to a win
This is exactly what Lewis should have done.
He would have only have dropped 5 points rather than 20 for a DNF. Now he needs another 4 wins in a row just to catch up with Nico again.
Championships are won on consistency rather than outright pace.
I thought Rosberg's drive was masterful - can't be easy to suddenly have to switch mindsets from being miles in front and pulling away with one guy to race to suddenly driving a crippled car and having to preserve the stoppers. And if the the Mass/Perez incident had happened a lap earlier, he'd have won anyway.
Perez wasn't even trying to get past Rosberg and was simply stopping anyone else from having a go at him.
Rosberg was lucky from that point of view and should have been penalised for the 'oh look I've locked my brakes, I'll have to take the shortcut' stunt he pulled when LH was very close to passing him.
To$$er.
i loved the way the BBC cut away from the post-race driver interviews after they have just done 70 hard exciting laps, that we the public have just watched and are really interested in, for.....
eddie jordan nonsense review
stupid sound-track-over-the-top-of-cut-clips-of-what-we-just-saw
and then finish the program.
This is exactly what Lewis should have done.
At the early stages in the race when he was pressuring Nico, the MGUK fault wasn't an issue. And the team weren't asking him to cool the brakes.
They are driving the same car, he can't just sit back and cruise past in the last two laps.
Lewis would have cleaned up in the 90's/early 00's era.
How? Lauda, Prost and Schumacher were all brilliant at being fast and clever. Hamilton has raw speed that will see him win many races, but unless he can up his thought process then he won't win many championships.
Rosberg was lucky from that point of view and should have been penalised for the 'oh look I've locked my brakes, I'll have to take the shortcut' stunt he pulled when LH was very close to passing him.
He does seem to have lock ups at times that are rather lucky for him and rather unlucky for his teammate
Rosberg was lucky from that point of view and should have been penalised for the 'oh look I've locked my brakes, I'll have to take the shortcut' stunt he pulled when LH was very close to passing him.
To$$er.
Very close to but not actually passing. And he coughed that time gain back up.
Very close to but not actually passing. And he coughed that time gain back up.
TBF he didn't give the time up (and there's no rule to say you do), HL caught back up again over the following couple of laps because he was consistently two or three tenths/lap faster at that point in the race. DC was openly saying that although Rosberg didn't gain a place he certainly gained time by missing the corner.
I dont like him anyway. He looks like an odd smug cream-coloured Oompah Loompah.
😳TBF he didn't give the time up (and there's no rule to say you do), HL caught back up again over the following couple of laps because he was consistently two or three tenths/lap faster at that point in the race. DC was openly saying that although Rosberg didn't gain a place he certainly gained time by missing the corner.
Aaa, fair play, I gotta give you that - thought I'd seen somewhere that he backed through one and two.
yup Nico did slow in T1 and T2, its been shown on the data and his statement after the race. so he knew what he was doing.
Lewis Hamilton has been spotted this week visiting Ferrari’s MaranelloThe report said Hamilton was simply in town “to enrich his substantial collection of Ferraris” — probably the ultra-rare ‘LaFerrari’ supercar.
[url= http://www.inautonews.com/hamilton-spotted-at-maranello-reports#.U5qj3XJdVHU ]Linky[/url]
Would love to Lewis and Alonso battle it out in a Ferrari 😀
awww poor ferrari loosing and so want a big meeting for the "good of f1"
ie. we want to win again and have lost Newey as he's staying with RBR and we are also losing Alonso next season.
what about all those hundreds of meetings in the past Ferrari where teams were trying to make F1 better and you just blocked and blocked and blocked cos you had the best outfit.
payback!
jeeez now they are talking about standing starts after a safety car period for 2015.
there is a whole myriad of issues on that, as well as safety.
why not just force them to all line up and restart every 15 laps of the race, that way it can "look" more exciting...
why not just force them to all line up and restart every 15 laps of the race, that way it can "look" more exciting...
Works in NASCAR and Indy. . . . . debris in turn 3 😉
Why be subtle when you can just throw out a "Competition Yellow"
yeah exactly guys, its like some kind of really painful process for them to actually think of the "show" first.... unlike most american racing series.
Williams 1st and 2nd, Massa on pole, while Hamilton make 2 mistakes and qualifies 10th.
Bring on tomorrows race
Awesome to Williams at the front 😀
Hamilton make 2 mistakes and qualifies 10th.
9th.
And Rosberg saying he had to lift off because of Hamilton spinning.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27946626 ]BBC Report[/url]
The Mercs didn't look so dominant on the options this weekend, at least on their first flying lap.
Watching the GP2 race, overtaking may be tough
Best opportunity looks like a slingshot out of turn 1 and stay right if they can get level(ish) and stay there, do it in 2
What I think it does show is that TeamMercedes has not the best mechanical or aero car as the out and out power and integration of the turbo,kers and drive train of the engine and car on sucha short lap does not provide such a massive advantage, williams have shown they have a great overall package.
I think the Team mercs will in the overall race dominate.
lewis mental and championship challenge begins to unravel, expect a bump and nose change and toys throwing from him tomorrow...
Hamilton was up 4 tenths before his first mistake. The mercs are still the ones to beat but its advantage rosberg this time. Great to Williams rising back to the top again - and they probably haven't seen the full benefit of their organisational changes yet.