I didn't say DAMP. I said SODDEN.
Are you visually deaf or something?
Ordered these:
Good for hand signals as well!
I'll make a note of that, peterf. If the "Boutiques" fail, they're my next stop. 😀
Are you visually deaf or something?
No, I think you are just inept and are blaming the equippment instead of yourself.
I have a pair of [url= http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Endura-Strike-Long-Fingered-Cycling-Gloves_15143.htm ]these Altura ones[/url] and they definitely do not leak. They do get quite wet inside though.
I know they don't leak because I filled them with water to test
I think you're on drugs.
I think you're an arsehole. And inept 🙂
You should call the manufacturer if you think they've sold gloves that are faulty or not fit for purpose.
The strikes I had were, being charitable, water resistant but definitely not waterproof (filling with water isn't a useful test, because some nonwaterproof materials take a little while to soak through. I suppose filling with water and leaving them for a couple of hours could be)
The Wulf trials gloves were pretty disappointing, they're neoprene but leak at the fingertips- unsealed seams. But not warm enough for that to work out even in the relatively warm last week. Bit pointless. Ordered another pair of different Glacier Gloves which look like they might be a bit less extreme than the Perfect Curves (and also have a less crap cuff)
Shirley No glove is going to be "waterproof" I mean it's just not possible..
Neoprene gloves are supposed to allow a teeny amount of water in then your body temperature heats the water and then thats kinda gets locked in.
I really think it's the best of a bad situation, don't honestly think you'll find anything waterproof, best get used to that idea.
I use a couple of types of glove, neo' for when it's pissing down before I go out and they'll stay wet and just about warm. But then I have to make sure I put some steep hills in my training loops just to get the heart beating and some warmth in my body/hands..
I've no idea about commuting in the rain, hope you find something 😕
I suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.
If you want waterproof this is where you need to be. Goretex, fully taped seams.
I really think it's the best of a bad situation, don't honestly think you'll find anything waterproof, best get used to that idea.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo.....
(PS: Putting a smiley face next to that, doesn't make it acceptable, "molgrips").
Gotama - MemberI suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.
Eh, neoprene is waterproof. Foamed neoprene (like wetsuits) isn't but the neoprene material itself is (like drysuits). So yes neoprene gloves can be 100% waterproof.
I think you're an arsehole. And inept
Molgrips loses.
Any good (just) warm gloves? I mean riding when its too cold for it to actually rain- frost/snow or even subzero. So waterproof doesn;t really apply to me- if its cold enough and its chucking it down I wont ride.
Subzero OR snow .. .I LOVE 
Sealskinz lobster mitts.
Eh, neoprene is waterproof. Foamed neoprene (like wetsuits) isn't but the neoprene material itself is (like drysuits). So yes neoprene gloves can be 100% waterproof.
Huh, well I stand corrected, I was just assuming they were wetsuit material, didn't realise you could have different types of neoprene. Just goes to show, never listen to anything ever says on the interwebs. 😀
Except me, definitely listen to me 😉
@Hora- Fox Antifreeze are very warm, and not waterproof so they don't suffer from the sweatiness and Stench of Death that the Perfect Curves have. Good feel too, for what they are- they're the least winter-glove-feely of all the gloves I've worn that can compete on heat. But expensive and a wee bit shortlived, they're basically a softshell and the outer laminate flakes off over time. Not the strongest recommendation really but they are decent- I have bad circulation, they keep my hands working when most things won't.
[i]Well. Fell at the first fence. Rode in constant heavy rain today. They just gave up after ten miles and I rode the second half with my hands encased in soggy wet neoprene.
**** useless.
The search gores on...[/i]
er I don't want to say I told you so, but I told you so 🙂
The castellis are great to about 3 degrees in the dry, colder than that and they don't keep my hands very warm. Bearable to about 0.
I'll say it again 'tuffbag paclite mitts'.
So you've bought something similar to the castelli then!
It's not the warmth I'm on about. It's the waterproofing (don't understand why you didn't get that).
And I don't understand why you fail to grasp that I've recommended a completely waterproof glove but your search still goes on.
Ah.
Hm.
Well, I'm not quite ready to accept loss of fingering (*ahem*). (Possibly the wrong thread). 😉
I've got some Mountain Hardwear waterproof gloves I wear for hill walking when it's properly cold and my Windstopper gloves aren't cutting it. I've not tried it, but I've no doubt that if I left them dipped in a bucket overnight there'd be no water inside.
But when I head down and the temperature rises I know when to take them off because it starts to get pretty damp in there. That's walking downhill, in the dry. This has lowered my expectations for how dry I can expect waterproof cycling gloves to keep my hands even when it's not raining. When it is raining you've got probably got worse breathability over everything you're wearing, plus probably no hood, so that's more moisture for your base layer to wick into the top of your gloves. It's just never going to work very well is it?
It's tricky.
I'll say it again 'tuffbag paclite mitts'.
I've got these for alpine stuff (throwing over other, thinner gloves when needed).
100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too.
But isnt dry warmth the holy grail of activity clothing. As a runner and general outdoors person I know unless I am almost stationary I will generate moisture inside my clothing. No material devised (as far as I am aware) allows perspiration to escape whilst keeping our wind and rain (and cold) Its all a case of accepting that and managing it.
Well, the stuff we use does allow moisture to escape, there's just a limit on how fast.
[i]100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too. [/i]
I know, I've been telling him that for ****ing weeks and he won't listen 🙂
I'm listening, I'm listening. Believe me, it's on the list. If the next pair I've ordered don't work out, I'll be bagging it.
Nothing to do with the national refreshing mid-morning drink, obviously.
Well IMO that limit is incredibly low and I have experience of Goretex and Event and a few lesser well know brands. In reality it is very much a case of over promising by the industry.
The best I can hope for is to be damp rather than wringing wet. Usually I don't notice if my base layer is wet unless it's running down my body.
My clothes get damp biking even if I am not wearing a shell at all.
Having been through a number of options I've settled on Seal Skizzers as providing the best solution so far for me. This is speaking as a year round road bike commuter and MTB rider not benefitting from hands that naturally feel hot, although I don’t suffer from Raynaud's phenomenon either. That they seem to be available at a discount relatively regularly is a bonus.
The gloves, like the socks, are about as water resistant as I think is reasonable. None of their stuff seems to have a particularly ergonomic cut (quire squared off) but In practice I don't notice.
Specifically for winter on the commute bike I've just acquired the below. These are only good when temperatures approach freezing as they are really are quite warm. When it was ~3 degrees for a few days on the way in a couple of weeks ago on the way in they were toasty. Their bulk means that I think their use for MTB would be limited, as bar feel would be reduced. I don't tend to wear a jacket whilst commuting as I find my own sweat makes me as wet as the rain would. As such rain will run in the top of them as has been observed. I believe that they stay warmer than expected due to their windproof construction.
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For the MTB and in-between times of the year on the commute bike I like to use their lighter-weight cousin, backed up by merino liners if it becomes necessary. These give better bar feel. I find that wearing a jacket with sleeves long enough to come past the wrist will dramatically reduce the running of water down and into the glove. However, nothing will ultimately stop the gloves getting wet-through after long enough, especially considering all of the additional spray on the MTB. Again, the windproof construction does a lot to keep the warmth in even when wet.
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My sealskin biking gloves have never leaked on me and with liners I've been out in minus temps and they've been fine.
@thisisnotaspoon: "QUICK TIP: If you have got them wet on saturday and you are sailing on sunday - pour warm water into them and put your hands in - they will be toasty all day! "
It does work. In used to do it with my neoprene ones.
That seems like a lot of material and a lot of seams in the palm but aside from that they seem like a good shout.
The downside would be the lack of padding in the palm, you'd need very soft grips to be comfortable. On the plus side they'd be the last pair of cycling gloves youd ever need, I once used my cycling gloves for sailing and burnt through the palm in an hour!
They also do a polypro base layer range including glove liners and socks, it's kinda like really thin roubaix fabric, but polypropylene is water repellant whereas lycra absorbs it, so it's really warm.
Note: I'm not affiliated sith them in any way, they're just the Wiggle/DHB of the sailing world, other brands of winter base layers are made form similar stuff.
I suspect something has been lost in translation with those castelli gloves as neoprene is not going to waterproof.
Neoprene is waterproof, my wetsuit only lets in water through the wrists/ankels/neck. It's only not waterproof if you don't glue the seams/blind stitch etc. Decent wetsuits are glued together then stitched on both sides half way through so there's no holes.
Downside it stinks taking it off and rinsing it after a warm day turns the water milky!
100% recommended as a waterproof shell. Much tougher than they look/feel too.
Those Tuff Bags look just the ticket. They make a lot of sense. But the price 😯 It's a couple of bags. Goretex maybe, but non the less, there must be a cheaper alternative knocking about somewhere? Plastictex or something.
