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That’s a passing phase. They’ll turn their attention back to disabled, foreigners, single-mums and asylum-seekers once everyone’s back to the new scheme of working zero hour contracts and/or 90hrs p/w to clear the £1k pcm roof over head bill. Bread and circuses will remain cheap(ish).
Of course they will be so what... all Boris has to do is add them to the "blame" list.
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If the real question is ‘why can’t a centre left party with a pretty standard European social democratic manifesto win in England?’ then it’s entirely down to the charmless leaders they choose to head them (combined with the right wing propaganda of the establishment and press of course).
This is an illustrative part of the bigger problem.
Especially with Corbyn the message loud and clear was "we are not voting for him"... but that this REALLY illustrates is they are not listening to the traditional Labour voters.
Didn't Labour start all that persecution of the sick/disabled? Then the Conservatives just carried on? I may be wrong.
None of this is new; the Tories have always been masters of getting people to vote against their own best interests. What stands out now is that people are voting for someone whose incompetence has literally caused thousands of deaths, and they still have a chuckle about "good old Boris" and profess themselves happy wih how he has handled the pandemic.
Charmless leaders? David or Ed. Only the Labour Party would choose Ed.
Good explanation here:
... Corbyn and Stamer seem to have had their charm removed at birth.
LOL! They definitely do not have the smiley smiley grin of Blair.
Modern right wingers have sussed that charisma + lies, lies, lies and more lies coupled with flat denial can sell almost any policies. Any sticking points can be solved by blaming ‘foreigners’. Blaming ‘foreigners’ always works. It’s time the left learned it too.
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Still want to join the Romans? *Edit, but you’re right about charisma. See also Trump.
Johnson should be demonstrating that charm isn't what makes a good leader.
The big issue for me appears to be how little of the total available vote you need to win. In Hartlepool the Tories got ~22% of the available vote, Labour ~12%. 58% of people didn’t vote at all.
are you proposing to force people to vote?
pointless or factually incorrect soundbites that never become policy will be even more critical to winning.
Not at all. The point is to win you only need a small but reliable part of the voter base to vote for you. The Tories understand this but Labour seem unable to grasp it. The Tories concentrate their efforts on people who actually vote, and don't care if in doing so alienate others.
OP when you say ‘socialism in England’, what was it, and what is left of it?
Johnson should be demonstrating that charm isn’t what makes a good leader.
I often claim that ‘should’ is a word looking for relevance. It should have relevance. Like bellends shouldn’t be bellends. So why are they bellends? And why is ‘should’ relevant? Shouldn’t it be irrelevant?
In an ideal world people should agree on what does or doesn’t make a ‘good leader’ ?
(Disclaimer: I may have enjoyed a Jameson’s or two, but the claim stands!)
I suppose its the remnants of the post war Labour Party, i probably have a broader view of Socialism that most for me its not extremely left wing its more about social responsibility and the social contract of fair taxation, NHS, looking after people....
It may have been an illusion and i am starting to think i am a dinosaur?
The social contract that i operate under has gone, i will still look after the folks that are part of my business, however beyond that i feel all is lost.
Yet yoday labour had a good day in Wales and the SNP also. So it is an English issue in practical terms.
They definitely do not have the smiley smiley grin of Blair.
Tory politics is for people who can't enjoy anything in life without it being soured by the thought that someone might have it better/easier.
The type of person who could win the lottery and then moan about how it has become the bane of their lives and simultaneously how the jackpots used to be so much bigger back in 'the good old days'.
I suppose its the remnants of the post war Labour Party, i probably have a broader view of Socialism that most for me its not extremely left wing its more about social responsibility and the social contract of fair taxation, NHS, looking after people….
It may have been an illusion and i am starting to think i am a dinosaur?
People forget that the current Welfare state was a consensus creation of the Tories, Labour and Liberals. Beveridge (Liberal) came up with architeture, Rab Butler (Tory) created the modern Eductaion System and Nye Bevin (Labour), the NHS. For many decades afterwards Labour and the Tories used to outbid each other at general elections over how many council houses they planned to build. It's only really in the 70s that the Tory party diverged and became a small state party.
Thinking of political party allegiance while reading the news it is very apparent that if you divide up the voting blocks the biggest by a considerable margin are the non voters.
Perhaps a target for an aspiring government is to get people interest. It was notable that the turnout around Brexit and for the referendum was higher. It was an issue and idea that captured peoples attention.
Perhaps a target for an aspiring government is to get people interest.
You would hope the aspiration of 'not being a ****' would be enough. But sadly, it seems not.
This country has shown it’s true colours, it is filled past the half way point with bad people.
No. It’s got an awful lot of people who were fed a string of lies and half-truths by politicians only looking out for themselves, Blair and Cameron to start with, followed by BloJo.
Pretty sure that the whole sorry episode would never have happened if Cameron had just buried the idea or kicked it into the long grass, as pundits are won’t to say.
The perspective from Cambridgeshire is quite different.
Conservatives ousted from the county council; no overall control but likely to be a Libdem/Labour setup.
And the Conservative mayor (and his bizarre plan to dig tunnels underneath 500 year old colleges) has been kicked out and replaced with a very sensible sounding Labour mayor.
The perspective from Cambridgeshire is quite different.
Although even that is split, biggest gainers at County were LD, but in the City it was Labour and Greens. Although oddly the best thing to happen to the City in years (closing of Mill Road Bridge to cars) was a Tory initiative. The local labour party was campaigning on that which was very funny - taking credit for a Tory initiative they opposed.
