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Mine is the boring slow one though.
3.6 is bloody good with the bike on it. Audi Q4 Quattro Sportback, 3000 miles and long term I’m showing average of 3.4 with an average speed of 30mph. My commute is 70 miles round trip mainly motorway.
Cost wise, electricity bill is averaging at £20 a week (just under). That’s all household electricity, 2 adults and 2 teenagers. So pretty happy cost wise. However very occasionally it will just immediately charge, noticed it twice but noticed it after a good number of hours of charging.
The bad news is….I really miss my fast petrol cars…..found myself on autotrader having a sneaky look earlier.
The bad news is….I really miss my fast petrol cars…..found myself on autotrader having a sneaky look earlier.
Fast EV...? Woosh woosh...?
The p2 dual motor with performance upgrade is, quite frankly, ridonculous!
99% of the time it's a lazy cruiser.. plodding around without a care... But if needed..maaaan does that thing pull!
DrP
14hrs on the road yesterday of which just under 3hrs was spent charging. It was done ad hoc rather than according to the plan so it was not optimal in terms of time. Only about 10 mins was spent actually sat waiting when I wanted to leave; the rest was walking around, eating or stretching legs.
A good half hour was wasted in Fort William trying unsuccessfully to get the Tesla charger to work. It wouldn't talk to the car.
Also the charger in Mallaig, an ancient battered thing only works with the RFID card and not the app at all. However I rang CPS and they were able to order me a card and use that to start the charge. Their website recommends that you get the card due to lack of signal, however it does not say that some chargers are not even app enabled.
Also the charger in Mallaig, an ancient battered thing only works with the RFID card and not the app at all
I know you left it too late to get a card but I did say a decent CPS experience requires the RFID card.
And I would have ordered one if it would have arrived on time.
The advice for cards is related to mobile signal, and I verified that I would have signal. And I do. The annoying part is that nowhere does it say that not all the chargers are app enabled.
The constant nagging from the car to wiggle the steering wheel is irritating.
A solution to dickheads trying to use level 2/3 self driving as a complete autonomous driving solution.
Think mine looks for an input from me every 12 seconds and cuts out after 2o. So i leave my hands on the wheel, and that's enough for it to detect i'm there.
On the beta self steer cruise, it was more on a busy motorway, changing lane disengages the cruise and the car lurches as the regen braking competes with my attempts to match road speed with the accelerator pedal. It is neither relaxing or comfortable for passengers. Long empty stretches of road would be fine although I prefer to just steer the car.
That's poor - on mine it stays engaged - as soon as you indicate it disengages the self steering and then when you start to move out the cruise starts to accelerate back to your chosen speed if you'd slowed down. Works really well, one of the best thought out things on the car. But whilst it does steer itself it's only lane assist, it doesn't claim to be any kind of self driving.
Did 430 miles on Saturday, Bromley to near Poitiers in a 62kwh Leaf. Easy run except for Chargemap recommending a single unit just off the autoroute that was already in use but we pushed on to the next. Last rapid was a bit slow as the battery was hot, so an extra 30 mins waiting on the car rather than the other way around so we could do the last leg in one go.
Octopus Electroverse card has worked on everything I’ve tried so far in France, makes it so easy.
Anyway, the A820 to Mallaig is outstanding. 30 miles of smooth tarmac, no junctions, no traffic and fantastic flow. Restraint is required!
@davy90, there's no need for any lurching when it disengages, just match the speed with your accelerator then indicate.
Have you got single tap or double tap to engage autosteer turned on? If it's double tap it keeps traffic aware cruise control on whilst you change and then you re-engage auto steer once you're in lane.
Have a play with the options but there's no need for it to be lurching around. 👍
as soon as you indicate it disengages the self steering and then when you start to move out the cruise starts to accelerate back to your chosen speed if you’d slowed down.
Which is the "normal" way to do it. Most cars i've tested it on do this. Sometimes they can lurch a bit on the brakes if the radar continues to pick up the car you're passing, but usually not.
Just seen you're in a tesla. No idea what's going on there.
The Leaf did the same with re the adaptive cruise; the only weirdness was when the road was open and a car came into range, it would brake rather than just ease down which was a bit weird when the car was 200m away. This could be alleviated by reducing the range you wanted the adaptive cruise to work at - then it behaved more sensibly. Hyundai has a setting to adjust how aggressively it maintains the distance, which is also configurable with a button on the wheel. In queues it's still a little less fluid than I'd like even on low - but that's because it's not looking three cars ahead like a human driver does (or should do!)
Cheers, the beta cruise just cancelled itself when changing lanes, the basic adaptive cruise is fine, I've not tinkered with the stalk settings. Coming from a 16 year old car where cruise control just fixes your speed, I find some of automated features an unnecessary distraction. Just need to recalibrate my brain I guess.
I only drive on motorways for long periods for a few trips a year so not really a problem. The model Y is considerably easier to drive long distances than my 1991 Talbot Express 🙂
I’ve not tinkered with the stalk settings
What's that? I don't know of any cruise settings on the stalks, other than one down for adaptive cruise, two down for autopilot and three down for rainbow road cowbells. You can toggle one of the scroll wheels left or right to change the distance between you and the car in front, isn't that about it?
Octopus Electroverse card has worked on everything I’ve tried so far in France, makes it so easy.
Like, all the big chargers at the motorway services etc? That would be ideal, as when I did a Euro trip i had to use my UK debit card..getting pre authorised £40 each time..
DrP
(i must look for my electroverse card in the car!)
So back from an afternoon hiking in South Yorkshire, park the car back at the air bnb, get the type 2 charge cable out to plug in and the bloody flap keeps closing as soon as it opens irrespective of which of the 5 different ways you can trigger the opening you try... A bit of googling suggests this is not an uncommon issue.. Held the thing open and plugged it in anyway and it appears to be charging fine... raised a ticket on the Tesla app, waiting for a response from a human..
1 week into ownership... underwhelming but hopefully the warranty service will be more impressive.
Charged to 100% and it now appears to work fine... Mrs Davy90 logged out of the app and logged back in again.... witchcraft...
Some economy data for anyone who's interested...
Kia EV6 2WD with the long-range battery. General pootling about town is about 14 kWh per 100km (4.4 miles per kWh).
Overall since we bought it is 17.1 kWh (3.7 kWh).
On our last day out to the trails (80km each way of mostly 100km/h hilly, twisty rural highway - similar to an A road through the Lakes or Yorkshire Dales, but without the traffic) it used 24 kWh per 100km (2.6 miles per kWh), but it had two adults, two 12-year-olds, an eight-year-old, a medium-sized dog, all the biking clobber, and was not exactly aerodynamic...
Like, all the big chargers at the motorway services etc?
On the Electroverse app there are absolutely loads of chargers.
On the Electroverse app there are absolutely loads of chargers.
but do not assume it’s the best price though Electroverse. The much touted discounts only apply if you have certain Octopus energy tariffs, and in some cases Electroverse is more expensive than either contactless or using the CPOs card/app. Electroverse is convenient, for sure, but not always cheapest.
Yep, most aires are Ionity or Total. Ionity was 30p/kwh via Octopus (I think the lower power triple head charger I used is cheaper than high power CCS). Powerdot at the supermarket and even the village 22kw AC post work with it.
The whole roaming charge card thing seems far more joined up in France.
I don’t know of any cruise settings on the stalks,
Its a setting in the control menu, having done a bit more digging, the default stalk setting is single tap for cruise, if I set the stalk to double tap it sets the cruise with a single tap and the autosteer with the second tap as you say, and it would seem, keeps the adaptive cruise on when autosteer disengages, which should deal with the lurching when lane changing. Will give it a try.
Going back a page, isn't the wheel size efficiency thing a miscalculation? If the car assumes a typical wheel circumference, then counting wheel revolutions will make the miles come quicker.
I don't believe 20% difference is realistic anyway, or else all cars would come with the better wheels.
Going back a page, isn’t the wheel size efficiency thing a miscalculation? If the car assumes a typical wheel circumference, then counting wheel revolutions will make the miles come quicker.
When talking about wheel size, it's assuming the circumference of the tyre remains the same, but the RIM size:tyre size varies.
a 19inch rim may have a 3 inch thick tyre, so total diameter is 9say) 25 inches.
A 17 inch rim will have 4 inches of tyre, so same 25 inch diameter, but more tyre, and normally narrower tyre too..
DrP
isn’t the wheel size efficiency thing a miscalculation?
The poster reported a 22% efficiency gain based one trip that they had previously made many times on the larger wheels. Of course, that's not very good data so they may have had a tailwind etc.
Of course, that’s not very good data so they may have had a tailwind etc.
Someone needs their mouth washing out with carbolic then.
That's anecdata at best.
Yes, but if you regularly make a trip and you know what your efficiency is likely to be in given conditions, then it suddenly jumps up, you can tell there's been a change. Obviously more data is much better.
underwhelming but hopefully the warranty service will be more impressive.
Just out of interest, did you get a response? Or is there the option of cancelling the request?
@Tenfoot we told them via the app thread that the issue had resolved itself and they sent a message with a path to log an issue under the service menu should it happen again, which seems fair enough.
Tried the new cruise configuration earlier and it works well with the double tap.
Only niggle now is the auto wipers which are impressively erratic given the tech has been around for over 15 years.
Going back a page, isn’t the wheel size efficiency thing a miscalculation? If the car assumes a typical wheel circumference, then counting wheel revolutions will make the miles come quicker.
Larger wheels are heavier. And not just because of the diameter, but also often the width.
The auto wipers are shit, after 4yrs I can confirm this. I can offer you salvation for this as well.
You can map the left steering wheel scroll button to a variety of functions. Choose wiper speed as your primary function. You can then tap the end of the stalk to switch the wipers on and the scroll wheel will control the speed. Works really well.
Wipers on my Hyundai are a bit crap - slow to respond, so when it starts to rain heavily or an oncoming vehicle splashes your windscreen there's a good 3 second bit where you cannot see at all. The ones on the Merc are more consistent (but not perfect) but they do at least respond very quickly. They also have a single tap wipe which the Hyundai doesn't have.
Auto wipers on my eNiro are probably my only complaint thus far.
Scroll wheel re-configured, so hopefully more straightforward control over the wiper speed now... Thanks
All the above functionality sounds interesting.
I'm sad I'm missing out on that..
..cos my auto wipers are only controlled by the rain 🤣🤣🤣🤣😜
Lolz...
DrP
(Not technically true... I can adjust the sensitivity and wipe speed, but as it uses a traditional rain sensor, it's fine)
Turns out that the reason the satnav didn't know about any of the CPS chargers in the Highlands is that I'd filtered out everything below 100kW. Seems like only the Tesla public ones are missing.
Amusingly, the satnav knows about CPS chargers but the ChargeMyHyundai app does not!
@davy90 just for future ref. I believe there is a manual release for the charging flap. It's inside the boot on the left (presumably directly behind the charging flap), possibly a pull cord of some description
Ta, I've already found that, lately I've watched enough tech bros on YouTube, sifted through Tesla and reddit forum posts covering all the issues I've encountered, feel like a Tesla expert, just don't have the accessories....
Even got an email back from SeaSucker telling me their rack is fine to use on a Model Y, early cracked Model 3 roof panels being an older Tesla problem (obvs)... - didn't bring the bike in the end as the forecast was sadly accurate, lots of rain.. which we're getting..
So the Hyundai satnav knows about loads of chargers, but the 'filter' page only allows you to filter on a small subset of those. That makes no sense. I can't plan a route using only those networks supported by Electroverse.
Of course I could manually plan and navigate using an app but it seems rather idiotic to not be able to filter on anything that's on the map.
My, effectively Hyundai, satnav has a shedload of filters you can apply to the charging points including by provider.
So the Hyundai satnav knows about loads of chargers, but the ‘filter’ page only allows you to filter on a small subset of those. That makes no sense. I can’t plan a route using only those networks supported by Electroverse
I think the issue there is that Electroverse isn't a charger provider itself but a way of paying on the other networks.
There is a dedicated Electroverse app which works on carplay which may help?
I don't use the satnav in the Corsa e. Android auto from the phone. Easy enough to plan a route with charge points whilst I'm nowhere near the car.
I think the issue there is that Electroverse isn’t a charger provider itself but a way of paying on the other networks.
I went to the Electroverse page and found a list of the networks they're paired with. The silly part is that the satnav knows about Gridserve and Applegreen (for example), they are on the map, but you cannot filter by them. Why would you not be able to filter a map by providers that are on it?
including by provider
Yes, I can filter by provider - but the providers in the filter page are not the same as the providers on the map.
Anyone else finding Intelligent Octopus a bit s*** recently? I keep plugging in, getting a Smart charging plan message and then the next morning it just says it didn’t reach the intended charge - last night instead of putting about 90 miles on it gave up after 1.5kWh!
I’m changing back to controlling it myself via the Zappi app for now and just charging between 11.30 and 5.30, which I know works properly!
Have emailed Octopus to see if they can work it out.
<quote>anyone else finding Intelligent Octopus a bit s*** recently? </quote>
no, ours has been working fine - ohme home pro charger controlled by IO.
It would appear to be something to do with IO not talking to the Tesla properly, although it always used to work fine. In all honesty it works better without using IO as I can set the charger to charge for free during the day from solar, and then boost at night for the hours when it’s cheap, so actually better and more reliable than IO smart charging.
as I can set the charger to charge for free during the day from solar, and then boost at night for the hours when it’s cheap
Surely if you're charging from solar during the day you're effectively paying 15p/kwh to do it, as that's what you'd get for exporting that power. Charging at night is half the price...
Solar panel export tariffs pay you half of the output of the panels, regardless of how much you use yourself. So daytime charging via solar is free as it has no effect on what you earn from the panels.
Solar panel export tariffs pay you half of the output of the panels, regardless of how much you use yourself.
Eh? Export tarriffs pay what the meter says you've exported... If you use all the solar generated power for charging the car, you export nothing and get paid nothing.
No they don’t. Maybe new ones do but older export tariffs, including mine, pay 50% of the total output of the panels measured by the separate meter installed next to the panels. What you get paid is regardless of how much you use yourself versus how much you export.
I don’t even have any way of measuring how much has been exported.
To quote from the feed in tariff info:
‘FiT export payments are 'deemed', so you're not paid for the exact amount you export. Instead, you'll be paid for 50% of the electricity you generate’
I am still car pontificating and seriously considering a third (EV) car and sticking the current SMax on limited mileage for heavy duty stuff.
Use
45-65 miles a day mixed driving (suburban, motorway, urban) on four consecutive days plus a longer day once or twice a week (say 120-140 miles).
This may come to nothing but I think these two would tick the (budget and use) boxes combined with a 7kW home charger:
- Hyundai Kona 64 kWh
- Kia Niro 64 kWh
I can't quite understand the adverts on Auto trader saying they have a 7kW charger I'm assuming that's their max AC charging rate as they're also quoting public/DC charging at up to 100kW?
Neither have the mad fast charging of the Ioniq 5 or EV6 but I think that would be ok and I am sure I could get my bike in the boot and if going solo I could also get to my family in East Anglia with modest extra charger faff.
I can’t quite understand the adverts on Auto trader saying they have a 7kW charger I’m assuming that’s their max AC charging rate as they’re also quoting public/DC charging at up to 100kW?
Car chargers aren’t really chargers at all. They’re just electricity supplies for the chargers that are built in to each car. Each car will have an AC charger -usually 7kw or 11kw- and a DC charger, the max speeds of which vary widely from car to car.
Domestic single phase AC on most houses will only supply 7kw max. Three phase AC maxes out at 22kw but very few cars, Leafs and Zoes, will do 22kW
TBH i reckon 95% of EV charging is via home 7kW chargers….
Even if your car is a slowish rate on a fast charger (CCS), in the grand scheme of things it won’t adversely affect your life.
Once you realise this, the world is your oyster, and you can pick a car that suits your budget and range.
DrP
Thanks both. Seems we can tick the 80% of use thing fairly easily on those vehicles and then the debate is can we create some drive space for a third car and keep the old SMax ticking over for the heavy stuff for a few more years. 🤔
What heavy stuff?
FiT export payments are ‘deemed’, so you’re not paid for the exact amount you export. Instead, you’ll be paid for 50% of the electricity you generate’
FiTs were a government subsidy which has ended for new installations, they're not an export tariff.
I’m aware they’re no longer available, but if you’re on one it is long term, and as I explained earlier it does mean that any solar generated electricity used does not affect payments and therefore can be free for daytime car charging (when I remember to do it).
It is an export tariff! I am being paid for exporting electricity…
I know, but you called it an export tariff which was creating confusion.
I'm at the Carlisle Starbucks again. I now refer to it as the Seagull Starbucks because there is a seagull nesting on the ground next to the drive through. Electroverse reckoned that there were 10/12 free and the car thought there were only 2/12. I assumed that Electroverse would be correct but it wasn't.
Impressive lineup of cars here though, including a Taycan and an EQS. I feel poor.
Electroverse reckoned that there were 10/12 free and the car thought there were only 2/12. I assumed that Electroverse would be correct but it wasn’t.
Just checked zapmap, it agrees with your car, only 2/12 available. Electroverse app still showing 10/12 available
Just checked chargefinder and it looks like a few of the faster charging cars have left and there is 1 old ioniq and 4 other cars being fed by electricity 🤔
Unless you are doing 200 miles+, you wouldn't even need to think about going near a charger with either a Kona or a Niro.
In the real world they are good for 220-275 miles year round, unless you drive like a beller.
For all the moaning about charging speed, the EQS had to move to a different parking spot because it had finished charging before the driver finished their coffee.
5.1 miles per kWh today, the Ioniq is doing really well despite the slow charging. The auto routing is great, we drive for 2hrs and charge/eat for 30-40 mins. Or more than 2hrs now because this is the M6 and it's Friday afternoon.
A Kona is now probably a good bet, they are a little more plush inside I think.
Taking the P2 a few hours northwest today, to visit Legoland...!
Charged it to 100% last night (usually limit to 90)...
80 odd miles each way.. will be no issues, and probably the longest drive I'll be doing in months...
My point..? I guess that actually... An EV with even a 200* mile range is certainly fine for most people...
DrP
* The p2 will prob do about 240 in summer...even though it's a advertised as 290!! We've established it's not the most efficient!
We (4 of us) did Birmingham and back in the i3 on Wednesday. 182 miles and arrived home with 12% remaining. 65mph cruise control all the way.
That’s over 200 miles from 37kWh. So around 5.5m/kWh.
For all the moaning about charging speed, the EQS had to move to a different parking spot because it had finished charging before the driver finished their coffee.
What does that anecdote tell us about charging speeds ?
And how big was the coffee?
" had to move to a different parking spot because it had finished charging before the driver finished their coffee"
That's a common issue for me. It's usually just a quick splash and dash so I wait with the car, but on the rare occasions I do a significant charge on rapids it's usually not long enough to do anything useful whilst waiting - even a coffee stop normally has the car charge where I need it to be before I'm done so have to go move the car.
Maybe a future for rapids at motorways etc when EVs are genuinely mainstream is to have more than one connector per actual charger, so you can plug in, set the car for however much juice you want and come back when YOU are ready, not when the car is done.
Also improved queuing - plug the car in and head off whilst waiting for your turn, then the car starts when it's "turn" comes around.
The above would mean people spending less time waiting around in their cars (then rushing back to them) and more time inside the services. Where they are likely to spend money so I can see service station operators loving this system.
Hmmmm - now how to Patent this ?
Both the Kona and Niro use the same battery and motor as Hyundai is the parent company of Kia. Having recently got rid of a Kia Soul that i had for nearly three years the max actual range I ever got out of it was 270 miles with some to spare the least was a very cold winter run with the heating on low was 220 miles and i'm not the steadiest drivers trying eek every mile out of an EV. Pisses all over my VW id3.
What does that anecdote tell us about charging speeds ?
That the engineers at Mercedes Benz prioritised charging speed over cup holders.
We were discussing this on our trip. Ideally what you'd want is more chargers than the supply can handle, like how home broadband is organised. You can't expect people to be conscientious enough to move their cars when they finish charging, so with time you'd get to know the utilisation ratio at a given location i.e. at any time roughly 50% of chargers are idle because the cars have finished charging. Therefore if you have a 2MW supply you can install 16 250kW chargers. Or even more; if you plug in and the supply is maxed out your car enters a queue and charging starts when someone else leaves and you don't have to go and move your car.
Some Osprey chargers already kinda do this. I watched a video about load balancing on their chargers that manages the total available supply over a number of chargers whose total capacity exceeds the available supply.
The best way to deal with fully charged cars left on chargers is punitive charges if the car is not unplugged (and moved if there's video) within 5 minutes.
I believe Tesla superchargers have idle fees to discourage space hogging.
Back from a 800+ mile break in the north in our Model Y RWD, got just under 4miles/kWh based on rough maths, 4 up and loaded, with cruise set at 72mph on the motorway. Have managed to get used to the adaptive cruise and self steering, actually now quite like it in heavy traffic.
Oxford services superchargers were busy but we got a spot easily and for the 30 odd kWh I put in and the moved to an adjacent space, I got to the food court just in time to pick up the family order so a pretty seamless experience.
Our Airbnb had a 22kW charger which was great.
Planning our August family jolly to the French Alps - getting there seems no issue at all but keeping topped up when at the end of a valley system poses some time challenges with only granny charger use. I guess dropping down from height offers some regen opportunities 🙂
Any suggestions for the best European apps. Have got ZapMap, found Charge Finder and Abetterrouteplanner this morning. Also is it worth joining any subscription services (Ionity?) any RFID cards helpful or is just a case of busk it and pay via cards at any non-Tesla chargers?
Unless you are doing 200 miles+, you wouldn’t even need to think about going near a charger with either a Kona or a Niro.
Problem is we would need to be running it with a bike rack or roof box on nearly every family trip due to small boot and large dog in which case you need to knock a big lump off the range (30-50% seems to be about the going rate) so that brings it to 160 or so and maybe less if you're at Motorway pace. That means an element of public charger reliance on a fairly regular basis.
The absolute killer though for not having another vehicle is neither of them can tow anything useful. The Ioniq5 could but it's still got range issues for us while towing/roofbox using and is 2x the price. The boot also suffers from being very heavily sloped so it's not very dog friendly. It just feels a bit too compromised.
The best way to deal with fully charged cars left on chargers is punitive charges
Maybe now, but I'd prefer a future where you could park at leisure and everyone would still be able to charge.
@garagedweller I will one day get an EV and tow with it. Range would be short, but with quick charging I could put up with it to get the benefits the rest of the year. Much as I love my diesel car the thought of putting 60l of hydrocarbons in it just to burn it and spread the fumes around the place starts to feel a bit horrific.
Also is it worth joining any subscription services
I haven't looked into it as an Electroverse customer but probably not when rapids are 35p in France.