[Closed] The effect of a Scottish Yes vote on the rest of the UK?

Shouldn't there be some kind of Iron Bru offering at the base of that statue?

And yes I appreciate I was whinging but for f sake. Alex Salmond is a **** surely the scots can see that much?

They're not voting for Alex Salmond though, are they? Or anyone else. He's frankly incidental*. They're voting for independence. Thats far bigger than any person, or party.

* though I wouldn't dispute your description

Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!
And Binners being the voice of reason. Truly these are the end times

We all know what's coming after independence though:

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I think you should check with Alex. Apparently a yes vote is a vote for him, a vote which gives him a mandate. At least I'm fairly sure that's what he was saying recently.

There should be some sort of warning before posting that sort of thing!

This seems more like a teenager that's going off to uni but on their dads ticket and calling it independence. Where are they going to raise capital, what about the NHS, their pensions deficit etc etc etc. This is a poorly thought through, emotional decision. They are going to end up at the station and realise they havent the cash for a ticket or the rent.

If they go they should go 100% but that's never going to happen is it.

Well it's the end of my country, the UK, not even Hitler could do that!

I think you should check with Alex. Apparently a yes vote is a vote for him, a vote which gives him a mandate. At least I'm fairly sure that's what he was saying recently.

It doesn't really matter what he thinks though. He's there until the next election, then its all up for grabs again. Thats the problem with democracy, that even Alex Salmonds ego can't get around

Though I can imagine how he'd start acting after a yes vote....

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This seems more like a teenager that's going off to uni but on their dads ticket and calling it independence

Isn't that what Scotland has now? Spend your pocket money how ever you life but we'll tell you how much you get and why.

not even Hitler could do that!

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Where are they going to raise capital, what about the NHS, their pensions deficit etc etc etc.

That's exactly the type of arrogant hubristic complacency which will result in them voting yes. It's like a particularly nasty teacher at school telling you you'll never amount to anything. The funny thing is that this is exactly what the government and other no campaigners are doing and then they wonder why they're losing the argument!

Life expectancy's lower so less of a pension issue.

That's exactly the type of arrogant hubristic complacency which will result in them voting yes. It's like a particularly nasty teacher at school telling you you'll never amount to anything. The funny thing is that this is exactly what the government and other no campaigners are doing and then they wonder why they're losing the argument!

Yup damn people telling them to think about practical things and not make emotional decisions.

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aracer - Member

I think you should check with Alex. Apparently a yes vote is a vote for him, a vote which gives him a mandate. At least I'm fairly sure that's what he was saying recently.

Oh go on, give us some examples.

I wonder how many people there are who have not registered and are just planning on showing up.

"Aye but, yes, but..."

To me, the whole yes/no thing's just a dreadful **** up. A huge diversion of resources that could be better employed on a multitude of other tasks.

It's a fantasy, the construction of an unctuous little egomaniac. It will be an utter mess if the Yes vote wins; bed for England but, sadly, even worse in for Scotland I believe.

AS is not so stupid as to say a Yes vote is a vote for him. However he is currently First Minister so he'll be in charge until the next election.

To me, the whole yes/no thing's just a dreadful **** up. A huge diversion of resources that could be better employed on a multitude of other tasks.

It's a fantasy, the construction of an unctuous little egomaniac. It will be an utter mess if the Yes vote wins; bed for England but, sadly, even worse in for Scotland I believe.

Yes, asking a country to decide on something so trivial as its independence is a diversion of resources that could be better employed elsewhere. You sound like Boris.

rene 59, ah bless you, you little scamp. It must be difficult to talk with the grown ups.

@peter, it's a diversion of resources for the rest of the UK who are mostly losing. I think this will be a factor in the negotiations as the UK has little incentive to agree to much as it's all overhead for little benefit

Who's stupid idea was it to give them a choice? Honestly if any of us had a vote wether to be governed by the ****s we have these days, we'd all vote for something different, but honestly do we want a flag like this?
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digga - Member

It's a fantasy, the construction of an unctuous little egomaniac.

Yup, he travelled back in time to 1934, 20 years before his birth, to create the SNP. Salmond's an eminently punchable man but it's completely absurd to suggest that the campaign towards independence over generations is all about him. I think you might be surprised the number of supporters for independence who think he's a ****. But even we have to concede that he's been a hugely effective ****.

It will be just like when we pulled out of iraq , only replace sunnies and shiites with smokers , and drinkers and substitute the heroin addicts with the taliban, we will just have to go and fix it once they have decided it was a stupid idea, The poor english tax payer therefore will pick up the bill.

Well it's the end of my country, the UK, not even Hitler could do that!

Who's stupid idea was it to give them a choice?

It was Cameron who offered and gave them the choice of a referendum.

So Cameron by extension, has been worse for Britain's future than Hitler.

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It all makes sense now....I'm going to have so much fun ripping the shit out of my Tory mates with this for the next two decades.

[i]It doesn't really matter what he thinks though. He's there until the next election, then its all up for grabs again. Thats the problem with democracy, that even Alex Salmonds ego can't get around[/i]

+1

Surely once independent they'll need to disband the SNP, as their job is done 🙂

In the event of a Yes the SNP will play the "we brought you independence stick with us, all other parties were against this revolution". The SNP will take the centre-left ground. Labour will be forced further left into oblivion and if we believe what we are told no one votes Conservative in Scotland anyway. If Scotland votes yes the SNP are going to win the first election for sure, after that it will be based upon results with the SNP saying "stick with us, change takes time, be patient and all our troubles are Westminsters fault" - they will do this for about 25 years if not more.

Looking at all those lined up against the Yes vote makes me think there must be something in it. Scotland never voted for this government, they avoided the student loan fiasco, they resent London centrism. Why should they not go to protect their welfare state and vote for a government that more closely reflects or represents their aspirations.
My experience of Scots in the early 70s was that they seemed on average much more aware of current affairs and politics than the English. This vote won't be taken lightly and if it's yes then good luck to them. Maybe it'll encourage people in England to start fighting their corner against p***poor employers and this administration. Lead the way Jimmy!

It doesn't really matter what he thinks though. He's there until the next election, then its all up for grabs again.

What's up for grabs? The independence negotiations will be done by then - a yes vote is a vote for Alex to carry those out in accordance with the BOD, a mandate for him to make his demands. He did point this out in the last debate, was nobody listening?

On the plus side, our nation's average life expectancy will rise significantly, and our average yearly rainfall fall, so long life and dry trails all round. 🙂

bizarrely (it seems to me) I have at least one very tory - or at least a mate with very tory views - who is voting, as far as I can gather, yes as he's fed up with distant Westminster rule. There may be others...

The whole thing is a massive missed opportunity for everybody except the Scots.

I'd love to see genuine regional devolution across the Island with London as a region in its own right. I rather liked the idea of dividing the land up as the old kingdoms were drawn out; Mercia, Wessex, Northumbria, Dumnonia etc.

Proper regional representation and genuine devolution out of London and the Home Counties. It's a bit of leap I'll grant you but it's time we did something completely different.

If they can vote to stay or go, I think we (English) should be allowed to vote of we want them (Scotland) to remain as part of the UK or not actually.

I do suspect that we will, in the medium to long term, will be better off without Scotland though and the Scottish might actually be getting encouraged to go it alone by stealth means that I cant possibly provide details of on a public forum,

I've already said too much.

yossarian +1.

If interested Henry McLeish has an intersting take on greater regional devolution.

Yossarian +2

coolhandluke - Member

If they can vote to stay or go, I think we (English) should be allowed to vote of we want them (Scotland) to remain as part of the UK or not actually.

England has always had the option of leaving the UK if they want.

If they can vote to stay or go, I think we (English) should be allowed to vote of we want them (Scotland) to remain as part of the UK or not actually.

Why only the English? Do the Welsh/Northern Irish have a say too? It's this kind of mentality which is causing the Scots to want to leave!

Yeah, and we'll do the same on a possible 'stay-in-the-EU-vote' too, to allow all of Europe a vote to decide if the UK stays in!

*runs* 😛

I can't be arsed about the pros and cons of this, but if I was a Scot I'd be sneaking out at the dead of night with a sledgehammer and smashing that bloody awful statue to bits!
It's so crudely done, quite apart from the fact it shows a racist Australian playing a historically inaccurate portrayal of a Scot, it's just an embarrassment.

It's now in Tom Church's own garden, apparently, nobody wants to display it so he took it back.

I'm looking forward to the fights.
The vilification Romanians, muslamic swans, and anyone vaguely foreign gets from the Daily Mail, will pail into insignificance compare to the hate-storm they'll be planning to stir up towards Scotland if they vote yes.

I can understand the general feeling of discontent with Westminster government but regional devolution/independence (whether Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Yorkshire, whatever) away from Westminster government isn't suddenly going to make life any better...

Partly - we'll still be governed by politicians (and I've not noticed a better calibre of politician at local level than we have at national level - look at your local cycle lane provision for a clue!)

But mainly, the current economic mess is not actually of Westminster's making. USA, Spain, Ireland, France, Portugal, Italy, Greece etc are all in a mess too.

Globalisaton is beyond the control of Westminster. The West hasn't always been wealthy and powerful - we've just been lucky enough to live in a time when we have been. Globalisation is what's changed our fortunes. Fair enough, we've not prepared for it too well, but show me a Western government that did...

No-one has power and wealth forever - Romans lost their empire, Ancient Greece lost its way, so did the Ottoman Empire, so did Soviet Union - happens to all wealthy nations eventually...

I can't see how rejecting Westminster (as ineffective as it is) is quite going to help us compete against the rising economic and political power of China and belligerence of Russia...

I've not noticed a better calibre of politician at local level than we have at national level

No, but the flavour is different. See how the makeup of SP and WA is different to the commons.

No-one has power and wealth forever - Romans lost their empire, Ancient Greece lost its way, so did the Ottoman Empire, so did Soviet Union - happens to all wealthy nations eventually...

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