Calm down people....he's trolling 🙂
Surprised to hear you're not a Trump fan jambalaya. Your opinions on Muslims seem pretty consistent with his.
He is not pro ISraeli enough for Jambys tastes
I hope that in a few weeks Trump looks at a camera during an interview and says "See, and this is how the Nazi party whipped up their support in Germany in the late 30s. I have been The Donald and you've been part of my new educational TV franchise".
I doubt it though.
He's the preferred Anarchist choice.
#He just needs to get the Republican nomination, it doesn't matter that all the bleeding-heart liberals laugh at him.
When you say "bleeding-heart liberals" I think you mean "anyone who isn't a fascist".
Surprised to hear you're not a Trump fan jambalaya. Your opinions on Muslims seem pretty consistent with his.
Not a shred of evidence to suggest thats even remotely true and you know it.
JY whoever wins the Presidency they will be much more supportive of Israel than Obama, Netanyahu knows that which is why he accepted the Republican invitation to speak without consulting Obama. Clinton is very pro-Israel. Natanyahu secured $10bn of additional military aid from Obama as a result of the Iranian Nuclear deal, so I imagine net/net he's quite happy with that and Obama is in the twilight of his term and Netanyahu is looking to the future.
When you say "bleeding-heart liberals" I think you mean "anyone who isn't a fascist".
I generally find that that's the case whenever someone uses the phrase "bleeding-heart liberals".
Evidence, lol.
you only have to mention the word fascist and the discussion becomes about netinyahu....
Is there not like a test you have to sit or anything? They just let you stand? Even if you're the biggest bell end in the western world? Really? I'd start with:
Question one:
Are you a massive bell end?
Question one:Are you a massive bell end?
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-the-internet-will-ask-bill-gates-to-close-it-up-a6764396.html ]Not sure, better ask the internet[/url]
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-hate-speech-ban-uk_566631fee4b079b2818fe0eb ]Petition to ban Trump from the UK over hate speech.[/url]
Actually I have as much of a problem with a reporter from a national newspaper - laughably called the "Independent" - deliberately mis-representing someone's viewpoint due to personal bias & the desire to create a shocking-sounding headline, as I do with a guy like Trump.Not sure, better ask the internet
Scottish government shold compulsory purchase Trump International luxury hotel at Balmedie and house Syrian refugees there.
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shouldn't he be calling for banning americans from america?
It would be good to hear Trump's speech over here, see him too.
I mean, when you think of the publicity he garnered for the Golf course in East Scotland and subsequent backlash, then railroad, his POV looks like it's mellowed somewhat.
I vote SamCam to open the invite, swish her succulent brown locks over her shoulders and kick her heels out whilst extending her right hand invite.
Capture that on TV and you've got the next reality show right there.
I expect ITV have thought of that format and sold the Advertising space to the Cola franchise already.
He's not racist, some of his best friends are Scottish Nationalists...
When you say "bleeding-heart liberals" I think you mean "anyone who isn't a fascist".
That is exactly the meaning I had in mind 🙂
someone needs to hoof him in the slats and wee in his shoes...then maybe shove those ridiculously long ties of his down his gob!!
Relax. He's just trying to distract attention from that ridiculous syrup.
30k or so deaths by guns in US each year. That is a stunning and ridiculous figure, yet it hardly gets a mention in any presidential debates or commentary.
They're not keen on him at the Philadelphia News
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Wasn't 9/11 a bit terrorism related? Or am I misreading something?
always start a graph after the event you're trying not to include in the statistics.
Though even if you do include it, it's only about 10% of the number of non-terrorist firearm deaths in the US [b]that year[/b]
Yeah but firearms deaths are mostly blacks and hispanics killing each other so in the Trumpiverse that's a good thing, yeah?
Wasn't 9/11 a bit terrorism related? Or am I misreading something?
That 9/11 was in 2001 and the graph (conveniently) starts at 2004?
30k or so deaths by guns in US each year. That is a stunning and ridiculous figure, yet it hardly gets a mention
@frank to the contrary its a major issue in every election, in fact continually. However the pro gun lobby will say if you look into those figures you have suicides, large numbers killed in gang violence including drugs and that a large proportion of these deaths use illegally held firearms.
As for the gun deaths vs terrorism chart you could do the same for road deaths (50k pa in the US ?) so clearly we should ban cars or make everyone drive at 10mph ?
Yay, we've got the car v gun comparison. Awesome.
However the pro gun lobby will say if you look into those figures you have suicides, large numbers killed in gang violence including drugs and that a large proportion of these deaths use illegally held firearms.
Suicides, using guns
Gang violence, using guns
Illegally held firearms, that probably started off as legally held guns.
But it is okay, lets just ban cars instead as they kill more people.
and cars have no purpose or function other than to harm humans whereas handguns all sorts of alternative uses around the home.
That 9/11 was in 2001 and the graph (conveniently) starts at 2004?
[i]<benefit of doubt mode>[/i]
Graph created in 2014 and supposed to cover 'last decade'
[i]</benefit of doubt mode>[/i]
But even if you did include it and go back to 2001 or earlier it would still be a dwarfed by the gun deaths, and that's before you even question the idea of whether or not you should include single, infrequent, and unusual events when looking at trends.
Not to mention that they have taken action* to prevent another occurence of a 2001 style event, but aren't exactly taking much action to address the huge gun toting elephant in the room.
*I'd hate to see the graphs of worldwide/non-US deaths as a result of said action.
no purpose or function other than to harm humans
It's worth pointing out that a plenty of guns in the US are bought for recreational purposes i.e. hunting. These are no different to fishing rods or bikes in the minds of their owners. Of course they can be 'repurposed' as we know.
Looks like about 1/6 of gun owners are hunters, but hunters often have quite a few guns (n+1 applies):
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-gun-owners-outnumbered-hunters-5-1-2011
But it is okay, lets just ban cars instead as they kill more people.
I suggested driving at 10mph also ?
You really need to break down the gun deaths by type if you want to make a comparison plus appreciate the pro gun lobby will point to their constitutional right to bear arms. Written cinsititutioms can be good or bad things and in this case I think its a bad thing but the fact is its written and many people think making guns harder to hold legally will endanger their safety.
EDIT 60% US gun deaths are suicides,
Back on Trump he is emphasising the whole sentence he used which was the ban should exist u til such a time as "the government can figure out whats going on". He also noted tjere are parts kf Paris where the police generally don't go as its unsafe, in the he's quite correct.
[i]It's worth pointing out that a plenty of guns in the US are bought for recreational purposes i.e. hunting. [/i]
I specifically said handguns to avoid that being used as a counter 😉
non-handguns with magazines that hold more than 10 bullets and all handguns are not for hunting.
Have you noticed the US media has started talking about 'long rifles' following mass shootings? It's to put people in mind of hunting weapons rather than the automatic assault rifles that are usually being used. It frightens the recreational gun owners and keeps them inline with the NRA line that all guns are good guns.
He is at it again!
We have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that the police are afraid for their own lives.
Whatever you think of Boris, his response is worth a quote:
"Crime has been falling steadily both in London and in New York - the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump,"
You really need to break down the gun deaths by type if you want to make a comparison
As long as you also break down the terrorist deaths by type too (domestic, foreign, Muslamic State, other etc)
[url= http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states ]GunPolicy.org[/url] has a breakdown of the firearms deaths.
e.g. in 2013 that total of 33,636 apparently consisted of:
21,175 Suicides (62.9%)
11,208 Gun homicides (33.3%)
505 Unintentional (1.5%)
281 Undetermined (0.8%)
which doesn't quite add up but there you go - they are not my figures.
.. the pro gun lobby will point to their constitutional right to bear arms. Written cinsititutioms can be good or bad things...
What I do find fascinating is that the Second Amendment is treated as some sacred text that must never be challenged, as if to do so would be deeply un-American.
Yet in this thread we have quotes from both Hilary Clinton and Donald Trumpet just casually dismissing the [b]First[/b] Amendment rights as [i]"freedom of speech etc"[/i].
Weird.
plus appreciate the pro gun lobby will point to their constitutional right to bear arms.
That's bit should be filed away with the other bits of old crap like being able to shoot the Welsh with a longbow etc. It has no need in a modern democratic world.
The issues highlight the huge problems the US faces. A country that feels like it's at war with an unknown enemy while ignoring the fact it can hardly look after its own citizens basic needs.
Trump is using these things to boost his flagging poles, despite what anyone claims he is not well ahead, last republican one had him 6% behind in the first major primary state and they consistently are behind Clinton whichever idiot leads at the time.
tjere are parts kf Paris where the police generally don't go as its unsafe, in the he's quite correct.
I smell a Jambafact* !
*Sorry for the add hom but like the Edinburgh Defence or Surfamtt's awesomeness its part of the STW vernacular
Oh great the whole gun debate from people who have no idea what they are talking about
The whole car thing is thrown out by right wing NRA nut jobs every time they start losing the argument, then they point to things like people drown in swimming pools so lets ban them.
Cars - primary use transport
Swimming pools - primary use - exercise
Guns primary use?
Do not let the NRA nuts convince you of the hunting link either. Speak to ANY real hunter and they will call complete BS on the fact that you need a semi-automatic weapon for hunting, anything with a cartridge that holds more than 5 bullets is not for hunting. The guns used in San Bernadino held 30! Sole purpose for that gun is to kill lots of people at a time. I have been hunting with plenty of republican Hillary haters and let me tell you, none of them support the sale of assault rifles to the general public. It is only the crazy religious nutjobs from the bible belt who pedal that diatribe.
Rant over (for now)
Back on Trump he is emphasising the whole sentence he used which was the ban should exist u til such a time as "the government can figure out whats going on".
That's not what he said.
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is a great hatred toward Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. More recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.” Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won’t convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
He read the statement out verbatim including referring to himself in the third person.
Do you know what quotation marks are for? 😀
I don't really care about the existence of one nutter (Trump). In fact he is doing us a favour; if he gets as far as being nominated and drawing a reasonable vote we can be justified in all our stereotypical opinions of the yanks being a uncultured, uneducated waste of (massively stretched) skin, and all die happy.
