You do know she’s not the Prime Minister, right?
There has been a tendency in recent years for it to be understood as when the prime minister gets to ask the questions.
I couldn't give a tinker's cuss which of these two plonkers won. Badenoch, a woman who combines Liz Truss's chippy-shouldered belligerence with an unwavering focus on culture war 'style' over substance. The Tories are an irrelevance now, and Badenoch will not be leader at the next GE - unless they've merged with Farage's rabble.
Now, what to have next beer-wise?
The Tories are an irrelevance now
Indeed. Kemi doesn’t come across as someone who’s going to take kindly to being irrelevant. I expect she’ll try and direct attention towards herself (Me! Me! Me!) by saying lots of very controversial ‘culture war’ things very loudly and obnoxiously.
The membership will love it, but I expect the more that ‘normal’ people see of that, the less they’ll like her. She might drag a few Reform voters back into the fold, but she’ll drive far more into the arms of the Lib Dems
I don’t think for a millisecond that she’ll be the Tory leader going into the next general election
By the way. Why did Mrs Jenrick turn up in fancy dress? Or is she off to rehearsals for her panto stint at Pontins as Widow T****ey?
I bet Honest Bob was shitting himself about going home after losing today.
"Robert. You are bloody USELESS!"
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Full MemberI don’t think for a millisecond that she’ll be the Tory leader going into the next general election
we'll know the moment the tories have a chance of winning an election, they'll have another leadership battle but this time everyone won't be a lunatic or a nonentity. This one was just for fun.
There'll barely be a fag paper between Tory and Reform policies, nicely splitting the RW vote. Worst case scenario is that they come to their senses prior to the next GE and send up the Rory batsignal to restore one nation conservatism.
I don’t think for a millisecond that she’ll be the Tory leader going into the next general election
That would be the six-leaders-in-eight-years Tory party. If she manages two years she will have bucked the trend. I can’t see her leading into the next election. More likely they’ll want to pivot to be more Reformy still.
‘One nation’ conservatism was mortally wounded by Brexit then put out of its misery with Johnson’s purges.
Badanoch was right about her representing ‘the soul of the party’. They’re now just a crap Farage/Reform tribute act. They’ll compete with them for the racist nutter vote while hemorrhaging votes to the lib Dems as they become ever more extreme.
The stuff Kemi is on about is completely mental to most voters. 6 day working weeks? Cutting maternity pay?
That would be the six-leaders-in-eight-years Tory party. If she manages two years she will have bucked the trend
Tricky. Some elections next year but not enough to be really obvious. Its in 2026 where there will be a good test. I reckon she will make it though on the grounds Starmer is rather unlikely to be challenged but I doubt will want to do the election early (obviously major terms and conditions here but if it continues as is it will be insanely risky) so they will want to switch about 2 years before.
That said I got Sunaks early election wrong but in my defence as the outcome showed it was a bloody stupid move.
More likely they’ll want to pivot to be more Reformy still.
Which I am not sure wont be a bad move. If they can mostly retain the current (who do seem quite sticky) and get back the reform lot then it will be rather close.
If she makes the next election she'll have been the longest serving Tory leader since Cameron.
So by that admittedly odd metric she needs to be more popular and effective as leader than May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.
You do know she’s not the Prime Minister, right?
Do you think Starmer won't casually mention any of her frankly stupid ejaculations? Or Rayner when she's standing in?
‘One nation’ conservatism was mortally wounded by Brexit then put out of its misery with Johnson’s purges.
It was, for reasons of self serving populism. Many old school tories followed BJ et al in lurching to the right as it brought them money and power regardless of tradition or personal principles. They'd flog their grannies and rejoin the EU if it restored them to office. Rory Stewart has a significant following and is knowledgeable, competent and articulate. He's been sidelined by the Tufton St neo-cons but the scales will fall from the eyes of old moneyed tories as they continue to be led further into irrelevance by the current crazed loons. They, the ruling classes, are the natural party of government and won't stand being in the wilderness forever. Labour swung from Blairite policies to Corbynism and back again. The Tories are likely on a mirrored path; They'll have to move back to the middle ground or Reform will outgammon them and perpetually bleed votes from their base. That's assuming they don't merge....
As a lifetime Labour voter I’d have preferred any of the other three quarter finalists to win. I can see Badenoch taking Stanmer to pieces every time they debate.
She seems smart (comparatively, you understand). Stanmer’s approval ratings are dismal, and if that continues it will make Badenoch seem succesful.
Others here seem very confident, me not so much. I can see her leading the Tories into the next election, and I can see her winning.
I can see her leading the Tories into the next election, and I can see her winning.
Unlikely to win I would have thought but possibly able to become PM under a Tory-Reform coalition imo.
Based on the current political climate obviously, 5 years is a very long time in politics.
The tories will win if the reform-tory split is substantially resolved, regardless of leader. Which may happen in a number of ways.
I just wonder what sort of people actually voted for her? I mean I always thought that the grass roots Tories made cakes for fêtes and moaned about Labour taxing their hard earned tax loopholes. I didn't think they'd back an out and out right wing dingbat.
Rory Stewart has a significant following and is knowledgeable, competent and articulate
He is also pretty right wing and is pretty flexible in terms of both tradition and principles. Which ultimately is the problem with the belief that the "middle" ground is all that counts since a)it shifts and b)its the floating voters and not the actual middle ground. So once the core voters get pissed off it disappears. After all the "middle ground" currently is what Thatcher would consider a bit extreme right wing economically and a bit extreme left wing from some social aspects.
I'm looking forward to a possible Rayner Badenough battle at PMQs
I’m looking forward to a possible Rayner Badenough battle at PMQs
I think you will be disappointed. The convention is if the PM cant attend then the opposition leader also delegates.
I’m looking forward to a possible Rayner Badenough battle at PMQs
Pretty sure that's not a thing. It's deputy on deputy.
I just wonder what sort of people actually voted for her? I mean I always thought that the grass roots Tories made cakes for fêtes and moaned about Labour taxing their hard earned tax loopholes. I didn’t think they’d back an out and out right wing dingbat.
the choice was between two dingbats… but even ignoring that the party is reeling not from losing to Labour (that was inevitable) but from the continuing loss to Reform - so people who strongly believe a Tory government is a good idea are deluded to thinking the way to win is to our extreme Reform. Thats easy because Rhetoric about the human rights act resonates well with the typical Tory demographic.
I always thought that the grass roots Tories made cakes for fêtes and moaned about Labour taxing their hard earned tax loopholes. I didn’t think they’d back an out and out right wing dingbat.
To be fair the Parliamentary Conservative Party didn't give them a lot of choice, even if they had wanted one.
What this result does nail is the claim, which I have heard made on stw, that given a choice the Tory membership would never vote for a brown/black leader.
The first major party in Europe to elect as a leader a black woman, apparently......who would have thought that it would be the UK Tory Party?
Still getting my head around the fact that Badanoch thinks one of the reasons the Tories were decimated was that government spending was too high.
Now, wherever people think Labour is on the political spectrum, Badanoch is undeniably a bleedin' long way to the right of it and has no qualms about saying what she really thinks. About anything.
So... It'll be very interesting hearing her say that the way to mend all the institutions in the country is to spend less on them. Selling austerity on steroids will be a hard sell and now leaves a clear gap between her Tory party and Kier's Labour party.
Married to a banker, thinks austerity was way too soft on the country. It'll be interesting to see her make that case.
So many variables at play globally or just marginally to see if her becoming the new Tory leader is a gift or a curse to Labour. I know find on the forum thought the Tories would pivot back to the centre after the GE, well, we now know that's not going to happen that's for bloody sure!
On her leadership specifically, I think she herself is likely to be her own worst enemy. All the arrogance of Johnson but none of the relatability BS to mask it... And let's face it. She doesn't want to mask it.
On her leadership specifically, I think she herself is likely to be her own worst enemy. All the arrogance of Johnson but none of the relatability BS to mask it… And let’s face it. She doesn’t want to mask it.
Agree and let's just hope she stays leader as long as possible as I believe a high number of tory voters are simply tory voters because they think it is better for them financially not because they are into the hate, racism and culture wars shit.
I work and live with 'nice' tories and they are really do not like Reform or Badenochs version of Reform.
^^Amen to all of that.
I expect she’ll try and direct attention towards herself (Me! Me! Me!) by saying lots of very controversial ‘culture war’ things very loudly and obnoxiously.
The membership will love it, but I expect the more that ‘normal’ people see of that, the less they’ll like her.
Have you heard about what this Trump nutter is doing in America?
I just wonder what sort of people actually voted for her?
Ultimately it's just the same people that installed Truss.
I do worry that the last decade or so has just resulted is a general shunting rightwards of the Overton window, and that the whole political and social landscape has become a bit of a neo-lib buffet with useful idiots running interference bigotry as cover while fingers are dipped in the till.
My worry is that Labour seem to have started off by holding themselves to the same made up economic "orthodoxy" and are still being buffeted by the same right wing topics (immigration, riots, etc) which sort of suggests that despite not being in power the Right leaning axis of the political and media spectrum (Torys, Reform, DM, etc) are still calling the shots to some extent.
Have you heard about what this Trump nutter is doing in America?
Theres a difference between Trump and Badenoch though.
If I turn off most of my higher brain functions, suspend any mortality I have etc, I can just about see how some can think Trump is "likable". Just about.
Badenoch? Even doing the same, she just comes across as crushingly negative, arrogant and perpetually angry. Also, let's face it, she's about as funny as a positive test result for gonorrhea.
She has missed a trick. Surely we can send children to work in mines and clean chimneys. Bring back the workhouse!
There has been a tendency in recent years for it to be understood as when the prime minister gets to ask the questions.
Really? Got any examples you could share on PMQ being the PM asking the Q’s?
Unsurprisingly, Boris Johnson started it. Rishi Sunak carried it on. As the speaker Lindsey Hoyle was so completely useless they were both allowed to get away with it. They'd both get asked questions at PMQ's, ignore it completely and just lob a question straight back. Its as if it was an Oxbridge debating society
… a question the Leader of The Opposition is not allowed to answer… so they look shifty when they get on with asking questions rather than answering the question thrown at them.
I've seen a few snippets of Badenough on Kuennsberg earlier. It would appear she lacks the basic skill of being able to sit in a chair.
I see she started her mission to get people back onside for the Tories by saying Boris Johnson got a rough deal and that Partygate was ‘overblown’.
Poor Boris, eh? Reading the room well there Kemi
Times like this I really miss Spitting Image.
Partygate was ‘overblown’.
Yep, she said it was somehow down to bad legislation, nothing to do with having boozy, coked up sex parties. 😉
I’d initially thought she might last 18 months, but seeing her spectacularly ill-judged opening gambit I think they might be overly optimistic.
Labour HQ must have been cracking the champagne corks early this morning watching her use her first interview as leader of HM opposition to defend Boris Johnson over Partygate
Yep, she said it was somehow down to bad legislation,
An odd defence given it was his government which passed the legislation.
‘One of the things that’s very important is that we draw a line under everything that’s happened over the last fourteen years.’
Oh ok.
As a lifetime Labour voter I’d have preferred any of the other three quarter finalists to win. I can see Badenoch taking Stanmer to pieces every time they debate.<br style="box-sizing: border-box; --tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-color: rgb(59 130 246/0.5); --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000;" />She seems smart (comparatively, you understand). Stanmer’s approval ratings are dismal, and if that continues it will make Badenoch seem succesful.
Others here seem very confident, me not so much. I can see her leading the Tories into the next election, and I can see her winning.
Red Wall type Labour voter?
For me she fits the word "condescending" to the T, and she'll be exposed during PMQ's.
Reading the room well there Kemi
This is what will undo her. She has absolutely zero empathy. She simply can't imagine what it is like to be anyone but her. She will continue to put her foot in it as she has done so many times already - maternity pay, imprisoning civil servants, Partygate...
....we need more austerity...
The next Parliamentary race will be to see who gets the boot first, Starmer or Badenoch
