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If you’re going to quote people at least get as far as the first comma. Where does the Guardian mention the fact they were armed?
Some reports suggested Chechens had travelled to Dijon from all over France as well as neighbouring Belgium and Germany.
The unrest has focused on the low-income district of Grésilles, which has a large north African population.
On Monday evening, dozens of hooded men carrying arms and crowbars had gathered in Grésilles, shooting in the air, destroying video surveillance cameras and setting fire to bins and vehicles, police said.
Fail. If you're going to argue facts at least get as far as the next paragraph or the one after.
Yeah, just that, a tale.
I'm aware of the dictionary definition thank you, I'll draw attention to
true narrative
since you seem to be incapable maintaining an attention span long enough to read things in their entirety.
If you’re going to quote people at least get as far as the first comma. Where does the Guardian mention the fact they were armed?
er, 27 words later
By selectively missing out important details you can change who appears to be in the wrong.
Indeed you can. 😆 😆 😆
You're both determined to miss the point about assault riffles and automatic pistols. "Arms" is is minimising the threat when more detail is available. Assault riffles and automatic pistols tells you the people wielding them deserve no sympathy whatsover. They're not an Opinel that's in someone's pocket to cut up the saucisson at lunch.
Anyhow, thank you for your tale, I'd love to meet your in-laws. I suggest they order things that are on the price list, there's always one posted somewhere, it's a legal requirement. I wonder which language they ordered in as you're so keen to banish anything non-English on this forum.
Keep it all coming, it's a symptom of a set of attitudes to anyone vaguely different whether by colour, faith, culture, nationality... .
You can never be wrong can you?
I suggest they order things that are on the price list, there’s always one posted somewhere, it’s a legal requirement.
What's that got to do with anything?
I wonder which language they ordered in as you’re so keen to banish anything non-English on this forum.
Who said that? All I said was that like most folk in this country I don’t speak another language to the sort of fluency levels that I can read other papers. For someone shouting about folk telling tales I'd suggest referring to your back catalogue rather than something I said on the same page if you're going to make crap up. And I wouldn't be relying on a computer transliteration either thanks.
Oh, but since you like google dictionary so much:
arms
/ɑːmz/
noun
plural noun: arms
1.
weapons; armaments.
"arms and ammunition"
Anyone with a basic command of English would understand that but feel free to add more hilarity with your furious back pedalling.
Putting words in my mouth, unfounded accusations with no attempt at justification, a blatantly anti-French tale, and all this on an anti-racism thread.
Have a good Sunday evening, Sqirrelking.
Bises.
Oh look, Eds bickering again. I am shocked.
*ignores provocation*
Oh dear the guy that flew the banner accross Burnley has lost his job
so has his girlfriend (who was employed by his mum)
because unsurprisingly he was a racist idiot and liked to broadcast it on social media
https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1275816568795078657
The misguided outrage on Twitter is remarkable.
Intensive Racial Sensitivity training
His girlfriend needed that? What is that? FFs...
Burnley fan
They spelled arsehole wrong.
Also he is shorter then Stephen Yaxley Lennon, so maybe the headline should be "Racist short arse..."
If anyone wants to see an interesting an applicable documentary regarding racial awareness and systemic racism, this was very good:
Shocking to see the kids experiences but more shocking that when you see that, its so easy to relate to our adults lives as is. It struck me that this is pretty much the education we need as adults. I took away two things
a) The stunning realisation that I've never, ever sat down and thought "what is it like to be white?" and the reasoning for that
b) There is almost zero cultural representation of any BAME culture in our museums etc.
There's also a fact in there that in 1860(?) the British government took a £20m loan to compensate Slaves and victims of slavery. It was passed to the "owners". Thats right, the white plantation owners, traders, merchants etc and very little found its way to the slaves themselves. But whats more shocking is that the final loan payment was in 2015. 2015! So in recent modern times our modern governments have overseen a massive misappropriation of funds based on Slavery. Jesus...
It struck me that this is pretty much the education we need as adults.
Agree, what I was thinking when I watched it.
If anyone wants to see an interesting an applicable documentary regarding racial awareness and systemic racism, this was very good:
That sounds really interesting, thank you - will definitely catch up on that.
It's been an interesting few weeks, being doing a lot of reading around racism, and I've tons more books to get through. But what's been soberingly scary has been engaging with white folks on Twitter about race - the intransigence, the truculence, the refusal to even consider that making judgements about people based on skin tone is in any way wrong. The number of times people dismiss police brutality on black people because "more white police are killed by black people than the other way round"... I expected a bit of it, but not a whole cavalcade. How the hell do you change that mindset?
I can't ever know what it's like to be a person of colour in the UK, but I'm more aware than ever of white privilege, and also how many white people take it for granted without even knowing what it is.
I mentioned Starkey earlier in this thread.
He's up to his old tricks again. What an utter prick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53279273
Starkey is a horrendous human being, I though Boris was once again going to walk off with ****er of the day, but here comes an old throbber upon his trusty white stead named privilege to claim the spoils...
He could do with being starved of publicity now, surely he has nothing important to add to the world as his world view is obviously tainted.
Starkey finally got what he deserved.
That racial bias in school programme was excellent. My lad was wondering how it might work in schools like his, with less than 1% of pupils not being white, although we're in the old BNP heartlands where it's possibly needed more than elsewhere.
Funny thing with Starkey is that the first thing I think of when his name pops up is the BBC, both in relation to his documentaries and his frequent appearances on QT etc. In much the same way as they provided a platform for BJ, NF and JRM, the BBC presented this guy as authentic historian for years.
Maybe it's time we started thinking about black history as actual history. The conventional histories served up by the education system and espoused by the obsequious toad and others like him look increasingly like a set of alternative facts, Starkey moulds facts to fit his feelings, that's not what a historian does.
Still, looks like he's been sent to the knaclers yard, his seat has been replaced by David Olusoga, it's been great to see both him and his documentaries getting a lot of rotation the last month or so, reminding us of what a proper historian is. Hopefully what Olusoga does will be seen not as history from a black perspective bit actual history, based on facts and events rather than a redacted narrative in the service of a socio political agenda.
Starkey, Hopkins & Grimes (sounds like a particularly dodgy firm of lawyers) should all be turfed into the sea.
What an utter prick.
The speed at which some of those institutions hoofed him into the sea makes me think that some had those statements ready prepared for the inevitable racist nonsense to dribble from his mouth...
Good riddance
I see his nodding dog interviewer, after tweeting afterwards how great it is to meet your heroes, has had to have a bit of a climbdown after the world put him straight.
The National Trust for Scotland gives Neil Oliver full support for his love of Starkey, because he said it before the interview was aired.
MoreCash, my daughter was wondering that as she's the only kid with African heritage in her year. One teacher did BLM for a week but my daughter abstained as blatant racism was unchecked.
Once Starkey got onto the Posh Hopkins ladder he was always likely to end up falling off it- he's a clever guy no doubt but he doesn't seem to have the low cunning and nous that you need to sucessfully right the Offence Wave. You have to always be ramping it up to stay "relevant" while staying just on the right side of the line, or close enough to drift back over it.
I hope people who defended him in the past are looking back at all the previous times he's done the exact same thing, but just not quite gone too far, and realising it wasn't the "professionally offended" or "snowflakes" or whatever stupid term they used to dismiss it.
The odious little shitbag will resurface at some point. In his mind he's too important not to be providing pithy, perjorative ramblings.
Just had a pop onto Neil Oliver's Twitter feed.
Wish I hadn't.
That posh Hopkins ladder is getting rather crowded at the moment. Neil Oliver's Twitter feed is full of links to familiar characters such as Douglas Murray, Nial Ferguson, Toby Young and a round-up of Spectator and Telegraph contributors.
A ladder is a good analogy because their arguments have no breadth to them, the simply repeat ad infinitum that were under the oppressive yolk of a Maoist cultural revolution and cite Orwell's 1984. The only direction they can go is upwards, until they're pushed off by the plonkers climbing up behind them.
I like to keep an open mind as they say and have previously read stuff from some of these commentators wether I've agreed with their politics or not. The statue toppling thing though has seriously pushed this mob over the edge into intellectual bankruptcy. If the best argument that they have is that someone like me supporting BLM does not know why I am protesting because I am under the spell of a Marxist, Maoist conspiracy cult then they have no argument at all.
For a bit of balance and to show that I genuinely try to vary my sources there's a rather brilliant 10 minute synopsis of the Coulston affair by Mathew Parrish on a Spectator podcast. Wether you choose to listen to the Douglas Murray piece that precedes it is up to you. I did and it was hilarious.
Maybe it’s time we started thinking about black history as actual history.
Well, you might as well learn a bit more history.
Some could be my ancestors as they came from a region of my ancestral land.
Chinese Coolies - 苦力 Kǔ lì
My neighbouring country ...
The Savage History of Slavery Indonesia
Slavery in Asia
Here more history of slavery from all over the world ...
That racial bias in school programme was excellent. My lad was wondering how it might work in schools like his, with less than 1% of pupils not being white,
Yes, that school was blessed with having a very high non white % much higher than national average. Try it in a school where just one or two kids are not white and the group stuff may not work quite as well...
inkster
MemberThe only direction they can go is upwards, until they’re pushed off by the plonkers climbing up behind them.
It all reminds me of that old Onion article, "Marilyn Manson Now Going Door-To-Door Trying To Shock People"
Fight the power 2020 Booooyyy:
Most excellent.
David Starkey is living proof that you don't have to be stupid to be a c***.
There's been some fantastic speakers at the Stand Up To Racism online rallies. Tonight was the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Diane Abbot, and Kwame Kwei-Armah OBE.
Im going to be a prick and say yes. In my cynical view, this is what he wanted, a nice video where he can play the victim. Thanks to this he might get a couple more interviews and cash in.
Why did they perform the stop is a different question.
Do you think a white man would have been treated the same? Yes the man in the car could have been more compliant and yes its normal procedure to get them out of the car and in cuffs while the drug search is done but its so obvious racial profiling and his treatment once he didn't comply immediately and totally was completely over the top but when you are constantly stopped and searched for no reason other than for being a black man in a nice car then it will colour your reactions.
the guy in the car did not provoke the situation and I'll bet you he gets an apology and compensation
I'll quote myself just in case you missed it:
Why did they perform the stop is a different question.
There is a pending inquiry going on, maybe wait for that before passing judgement?
If he is so used to police stopping him, he knew how this was going to turn out, therefore in my mind he was looking for this outcome. He will get an apology, compensation and probably follow-up interviews in the media.
Is this OK ?
I wouldn’t place my trust any video of the police that’s been edited like that.
Though just think, all he really had to do was get out the car when lawfully detained by a Constable in uniform.
As someone said to me many years ago, if the police are breaking the rules then you can sue them afterwards (even easier now everyone has a camera phone) but resisting a lawful search/arrest is only going to go one way.
its normal procedure to get them out of the car and in cuffs while the drug search is done but its so obvious racial
In which case, how come in the Police! Stop! Action! Programmes they sit them in the back of the jam sandwich and have a nice little chat with them?
Why did they perform the stop is a different question.
Racial profiling.
Black people are over 40% more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by the police. This isn't because black people are more likely to commit crimes, they're just more likely to caught and charged than whites because of the higher rates of stop and search.
People are questioning why he didn't just surrender to the will of the police and comply. Can you imagine being regularly pulled over, sometimes twice in a day because you looked at the police and are wearing joggers?
For middle class white people the police are their to protect you, but for black people they're there to hassle you and often act with disproportionate violence. Even if you're the victim you will be searched and possibly cuffed, like the little lad who was beaten and went to them for help.
White people have been conditioned to believe that black people are inferior, more criminal, lazy, and stupid than whites through a systemically racist system and an overtly racist society and insidious systemic racism. You may think that you're not racist because you have black friends and wouldn't call someone a racist name, however it's something that needs to be constantly worked at to ensure that you're not applying biases. As a white person I've been witness to various forms of racism, from being pulled over whilst driving with a black man; he was searched, I wasn't (I did have a gram of weed on me) to border control appearing at legal weddings.
To return to the original question
Why did they perform the stop is a different question
My local authority Head of Education said that *"The teacher gave his class factual information in relation to the bone density of black people and white people and an explanation of the physiology of black people" when a teacher made a racist comment to a group of 10 yr olds talking about their swimming lessons. Now, if you have been taught that ability comes from a lack of melanin and follow that line of "science" you will also learn that black people are criminal. This was upheld by the Scottish Education Minister John Swinney as local authorities can set their own curriculum under the Curriculum for Exellence. Some of these kids are going to go on to be police officers, who will see black people as a threat.
*Her grammar as a Head of Education is terrible.
Black people are over 40% more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by the police. This isn’t because black people are more likely to commit crimes, they’re just more likely to caught and charged than whites because of the higher rates of stop and search.
Saying ‘if I was a different colour I would never have been caught’ doesn’t mean that your arrest and prosecution was unfair though, does it? Because in the end you were still breaking the law.
Best way not to be prosecuted, don’t break the law.
Just reread Faerie’s entry above you racist idiot. That’s right, I said it. It’s time to call it out when it rears its lazy head even if it’s couched in ‘yeah, but’ quotes.
I think the guy in question has been stopped 20 times but has no criminal record.
Question for anyone white. If you were a law abiding citizen going about your daily life, how many times would you have to be stopped before you would begin to think you were living in a police state?
How many times would you have to be stopped before you began to become a paranoid schizophrenic, finding yourself living in a parallel universe?
Don't bother arguing with Ninfan.
It's really not worth it.