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no money..............where, in the banks?

are you ****ing blindfolded?

If you think that taxing the banks so heavily they take their business elsewhere instead of providing a pint of cash to fill a tanker's worth of need is going to solve the problem, you're an even bigger idiot than Barber and his ilk.

Oh, now the "Anarchists" are attacking the Ritz. Persumably they want the government to give them enough money to afford a room there.

do you realise how much the banks have paid out in bonus payments this year?

See above. You've really no grasp of the enormity of the finance issues, have you?

Waiting now for Bob Crowe to turn up and explain how paying people to do pointless jobs is going to make everything better...

no, enlighten me.

Woppit; you haven't the guts to go and publicly stand up for what you believe in, so the best you can do is slag folk off on a forum. Why weren't you down there telling people what you spout on here? Hmm? I'll tell you; because you're too weak.

You need to go and find some self-esteem mate. Because maybe, if you found some self-worth, you wouldn't need to attack others all the time. Why not try something creative, try and find something you've got some talent for? That could give you some sense of value.

Do all your colleagues take the piss out of you all the time? I bet they do.

ton - Member

no, enlighten me.

No. Educate yourself, stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a plate because it's your "right".

Elfinsafety - Member

Woppit; you haven't the guts to go and publicly stand up for what you believe in, so the best you can do is slag folk off on a forum.

Oh, here he is.

Pot, kettle. Thought you might be out chucking ammonia at policemen, sorry, "standing up for what you believe in".

Take, for example, those running our financial institutions. Many of them are once again picking up their seven-figure bonuses while the global dole queue they helped to cause hits 35 million. If it wasn't for the taxes of you and me, their banks would have gone bust months ago. It cannot be right that hedge funds are making huge profits from speculation over Greece's future while ordinary workers face having their pay, jobs, pensions and public services slashed.

Right, cos you've got me down as some sort of anarchist thug, haven't you? Interesting that you've come to that conclusion, in spite of never having met me. Even though I've invited you to come for a pint and a chat, many times.

The reason I'm not there myself is cos I'm doing some work for someone today. Otherwise I would be. As I was at the education cuts protests last year. You, on the other hand, will only ever be feeling brave from behind a keyboard. Just as well for the internet, eh?

I saw them marching down Oxford St, I was spending money in capatilist department stores...
it's a joke, they walk along in their hoodies with their new-age-bandito scarves over their mouths, drinking cans of San Miguel - caring enough to make their voices heard but too scared to put their face to the cause.
they got to Topshop, which was shut, threw some pink paint, what appeared to be a red light-saber and let off a green smoke bomb, then stood there for about 20 minutes wondering what to do next.
they don't know what the **** they are even there for!! anarchy in moderation...
amateurs without a cause...

woppit.............you done know do you.........your a thicky pretending to know it all, but you dont............ 😆

It gets almost tedious to have to repeat it, but Financial Institutions paid FIFTY TWO BILLION POUNDS into the exchequer last year. That's ELEVEN PERCENT of the total UK tax take.

How did they manage this? By MAKING LOTS OF MONEY and PAYING FIFTY PERCENT OF THEIR PROFITS in tax.

How will EVEN MORE MONEY go to the exchequer and get the public finances back on track? By stripping away regulation that will allow them to make EVEN MORE PROFIT so they can pay EVEN MORE MONEY in tax.

Sorry for the shouty capitals, but some ears are willfully deaf, it would seem.

Funny how people bang on about isolated incidents involving a few troublemakers, when the vast majority of the 100,000+ protestors are, according to the news agencies, demonstrating peacefully...

you copied and pasted that off google.

mr ****wit................. 😆

but some ears are willfully deaf, it would seem.

Not yours with yer fancy-pants hi-fi though, eh? 😉

I have seen the other side of woppit, doesn't come across in private like some of the descriptions above. Bit nippy at times mind.

ton - Member

you copied and pasted that off google.

mr ****wit.................

Actually, no. Interesting use of abuse, always the last resort of a failed argument.

Hey duckman. Yeah, I'm a pussycat. Where did we meet?

woppit, i would rather argue with my grandaughter about dora the explorer, than argue on here about banks and stuff with you.
sorry mate, you got the wrong idea........ 😀

always the last resort of a failed argument

your first comments to people who posted on here for reference

You've really no grasp of the enormity of the finance issues, have you?

Pot, kettle. Thought you might be out chucking ammonia at policemen, sorry, "standing up for what you believe in".

Elfinsafety - Member

but some ears are willfully deaf, it would seem.

Not yours with yer fancy-pants hi-fi though, eh?

Quite. Well spotted. 😆

I've also seen Woppit 'in real life'.

Surprisingly, he wasn't at all as vociferous as he is on here. Funny that... 😆

ton - Member

woppit, i would rather argue with my grandaughter about dora the explorer, than argue on here about banks and stuff with you.
sorry mate, you got the wrong idea........

Fine. Perhaps you might want to stop trying to do it, then...

RBS lost £1.1Bn in 2010/11.

RBS paid out £0.95Bn in bonuses for the same year.

If were a shareholder I'd be demanding a total change at the top! Oh....hang on a minute.....

Elfinsafety - Member

I've also seen Woppit 'in real life'.

Surprisingly, he wasn't at all as vociferous as he is on here. Funny that..

Remind me.

woppit...............was it your dad or your fave uncle?

Was what my dad or favourite uncle?

Thought you'd rather argue with your daughter, or something...[*]

😆
wasnt lost on me Ton but below the belt that one 😉

Pity your sense of aesthetics isn't as acute as your hearing though eh Wopster?

You're a coward. There's no way you'd say owt what you do on here, to someone's face. No way. Surrey Hills ride last year; you'd bin slagging me off on here, I'd offered to buy you a pint, discuss things face to face, but when you had the opportunity to do so, you chose to remain silent. T'was only afterwards when you'd posted a pic of yourself, did I realise who you were.

If you can't do it for real, then maybe doing it online is your only means of expression. Pathetic.

Wasn't lost on me, either. Says more about ton, I think. Perhaps he could explain himself.

johnnie............sometimes it is deserved....... 😉

So good it had to be said twice... 🙂

Woppit; you're a Human Being, and deserving of respect equal with anyone else. But you need to learn to respect others more, simple as.

Maybe if you actually liked yourself more, you'd be able to do so. Just an idea, like.

If you came for a pint with me, you never know, I might find something about you I liked. That would be of enormous benefit to you, I'm sure. It's nice to be liked.

Barclays, they performed a little better, but how much of the profit they make (backed by the UK taxpayer and the bad debt guarentee scheme) is shared wit hthe country?

Well just £113M in 2009. This article suggests Barclays dodge about £1B in taxes per year.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5908523.ece

THAT'S why there is protesting today. With figures like that we would seem better off (through reduced risk) if the banks moved abroad.

yes whoppit your posts consistently show what a warm caring sensitive individual you are and anyone who posts against you is clearly not reacting to your online persona [or insults] but simply displaying a flaw in their own charachter ...everyone knows you have none.

Not so much below the belt, as beneath contempt. Interesting how the opposers of my opinions have now stooped so low.

How vile.

this thread is nauseating

this thread is nauseating

It's a Woppit thread, whad'you expect? 😀

Enough already. I'm bored now. Play nicely now, kiddies.

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Junkyard - Member

yes whoppit your posts consistently show what a warm caring sensitive individual you are

You will find that many of my posts are caring and sensitive and so on. Some aren't. Like many others from many others. So what?

Bit like ton and his caring, sensitive foray into abuse. Interesting that he has it in his mind. I wonder where he gets it from...

woppit.............i just know what buttons to push.......and it seemed to work.

Oh and Barclays paid out £3.2Bn in bonuses.....

neilnevill................that kind of thing is what i was refering to in my 1st post on this thread.
when woppit said there was no money.

exactly Ton.

ton - Member

woppit.............i just know what buttons to push.......and it seemed to work.

You are a poltroon.

Yes, the thread has become neauseating.

Elfin has never offered to buy me a pint anywhere except on this forum. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

As nobody wants to argue the subject of the thread, I've got a bathroom to clean.

Later.

woppit...............no mate, i am far worse than that........... 😆

Here's an intersting quote.

Despite being rescued by taxpayers during the crash, UK banks will avoid paying £19 billion of tax on future profits by offsetting their losses during the financial crisis against their tax bills. This is equivalent to more than £1,100 for every family in the UK, a TUC report says today (Feb 2oth 2011).

The TUC report - The Corporate Tax Gap - says that as well as benefitting from an £850 billion bailout from taxpayers and the Bank of England during the recession, banks are able to offset their £19 billion [cash value] of tax losses between 2007 and 2009 against paying tax on future profits.

The report, authored by tax specialist Richard Murphy, has calculated this double subsidy from the accounts of five UK high street banks - HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays, Lloyds TSB and HBOS (later Lloyds Banking Group) - and HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) data

So, how much better off ARE we for having 'A banking led economy'? It feels like we are over-reliant, owners of huge amouts of risk....and worst of all the government didn't even realise the risk!

The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

Ooh that's a pwning if ever I've seen one! 😆

Nice one Junkyard... 8)

I've got a bathroom to clean.

You'd best get scrubbing then...

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Has he gone?

We'll be lucky, Neil! 😀

Fancy a London Pootle soon? I remember you talking about a South Ring ride?

The 3G signal must be good in central London for all the socialist brothers to be posting on here during the march 🙂

The 3G signal must be good in central London for all the socialist brothers to be posting on here during the march

More surpising is how good it is underground, to enable all the cowardly right-wingers to post from their cellars... 😉

😆
my weekend with the kids or i would have been there.

Yeah I ought to sort a london pootle. 🙂 My fubared ankle is keeping me to tarmac and other smoothish surfaces, and my fitness has bombed, but a southern half of the capital ring Should be manageable....so long as the pace is social 🙂 I'll post something up.

3G...nah, probably in a Wetherspoons using free WiFi 😀

Sounds ideal Neil. I'm well up for 'sociable'*. Who knows, maybe even Woppit will come? 🙂

*It means pubs/beer will be involved. Doesn't it? I think it does.

you can buy him a beer.

pubs, oh of course.

Of course there is plenty of alternatives - and the course taken by the tories is the most damaging possible.

Taxation could be increased, tax avoidance stopped, spending on vanity projects (nukes etc) reduced or stopped, no more military adventurism outside of our borders,

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric - there are many alternative paths - which way you go is a political choice.

Of course, part of the Capital Ring does go past the Olympic site, so folk could get a look at that. Might be interesting for some.

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The whole lot's gotta be doable in a day, surely? 78 miles. I'd be up for that. As long as we start and finish at the bit near me! 🙂

TJ; d'you mind not interupting our pootle plan thread please? D'you mind??

So [i]rude[/i], some people... 🙄

Police have been kettled in Oxford circus apparently.

How amusing.

Good! Keep 'em there, and don't let them have any food, water or toilet facilities for a good few hours! 😀

Well, there I was, mopping the lino, and I suddenly thought - given my age and the opportunities available, I'm never going to enjoy the level of replete lifestyle enjoyed by the Philip Greens and Tchenguiz brothers of this world, so the question I asked myself is - why am I so exercised about defending the system that enables what is looking to me like what can only be described as their gluttony?

Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

And I recall being in favour of the poll tax riots when I was penniless and living in a squat, so how did I get from there to here?

That's rhetorical, but if you've an opinion, go ahead...

Been sniffing the bog cleaning chemicals ?

It's because you rejected God, Woppit.

could do the whole thing.....since it goes up my street I want to start at the 6 o'clock spot...Crystal palace, but for anybody coming in from outside london I'm not sure that's the best spot. Not sure what is though...any thoughts?

Elfinsafety - Member

It's because you rejected God, Woppit.

Oh, no. I've always done that...

Oh he's back.

I dunno Whoppit, perhaps you could make a case?

It'll take thinking about and probably won't interest anybody.

I think the bit by me is the best spot to start from! 🙂

Actually, Woolwich wouldn't be a bad start/finish point, I tell you for why:

Anyone coming in from outside London could get on a Riverbus boat from central London, as they take bikes, if they fancied a nice treat, and it goes to Woolwich. Only a few quid, and a lovely journey. You can use an Oyster card on it too. And you could take it back into town at the end of the ride of course, into the sunset...

It's just an idea.

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but Financial Institutions paid FIFTY TWO BILLION POUNDS into the exchequer last year. That's ELEVEN PERCENT of the total UK tax take

well.. I dunno much about this but surely JUST TAXING GREED APPROPRIATELY is what general folk at grass roots level are getting pissed off about..? never mind the bored teenagers in hoodies.. Fundamentally speaking..

what percentage of their earnings was that? It was considerably less than the percentage I paid [or anyone else payng PAYE]in tax and considerably less than someone on mimimum wage despite making BILLIONS

Financial Institutions paid FIFTY TWO BILLION POUNDS into the exchequer last year. That's ELEVEN PERCENT of the total UK tax take

Ok, so how many lives did those Financial Institutions save? How many fires did they put out? How many children did they educate, toilets did they clean, bricks did they lay, etc?

Just because an institution overvalues itself, and others are naive or foolish enough to go with that valuation, doesn't mean it is that valuable.

Just because an institution overvalues itself, and others are naive or foolish enough to go with that valuation, doesn't mean it is that valuable.

Spot on, the most valuable organisations are not the wealthiest.

what do super earners actually do with all that personal wealth..?

what's the point of it..?

can we eat them yet..?
will someone promise to send me an email as soon as we're allowed.. I wanna get a nice healthy young one in the freezer in time for xmas..
thanks

Ok, so how many lives did those Financial Institutions save? How many fires did they put out? How many children did they educate, toilets did they clean, bricks did they lay, etc?

Given the level of contribution to those public services, quite a few, I would imagine...

I know this is a bit complicated for you to keep up with Woppit, but do try to make an effort please...