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exactly Ton.

ton - Member

woppit.............i just know what buttons to push.......and it seemed to work.

You are a poltroon.

Yes, the thread has become neauseating.

Elfin has never offered to buy me a pint anywhere except on this forum. The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

As nobody wants to argue the subject of the thread, I've got a bathroom to clean.

Later.

woppit...............no mate, i am far worse than that........... 😆

Here's an intersting quote.

Despite being rescued by taxpayers during the crash, UK banks will avoid paying £19 billion of tax on future profits by offsetting their losses during the financial crisis against their tax bills. This is equivalent to more than £1,100 for every family in the UK, a TUC report says today (Feb 2oth 2011).

The TUC report - The Corporate Tax Gap - says that as well as benefitting from an £850 billion bailout from taxpayers and the Bank of England during the recession, banks are able to offset their £19 billion [cash value] of tax losses between 2007 and 2009 against paying tax on future profits.

The report, authored by tax specialist Richard Murphy, has calculated this double subsidy from the accounts of five UK high street banks - HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays, Lloyds TSB and HBOS (later Lloyds Banking Group) - and HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) data

So, how much better off ARE we for having 'A banking led economy'? It feels like we are over-reliant, owners of huge amouts of risk....and worst of all the government didn't even realise the risk!

The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

Ooh that's a pwning if ever I've seen one! 😆

Nice one Junkyard... 8)

I've got a bathroom to clean.

You'd best get scrubbing then...

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Has he gone?

We'll be lucky, Neil! 😀

Fancy a London Pootle soon? I remember you talking about a South Ring ride?

The 3G signal must be good in central London for all the socialist brothers to be posting on here during the march 🙂

The 3G signal must be good in central London for all the socialist brothers to be posting on here during the march

More surpising is how good it is underground, to enable all the cowardly right-wingers to post from their cellars... 😉

😆
my weekend with the kids or i would have been there.

Yeah I ought to sort a london pootle. 🙂 My fubared ankle is keeping me to tarmac and other smoothish surfaces, and my fitness has bombed, but a southern half of the capital ring Should be manageable....so long as the pace is social 🙂 I'll post something up.

3G...nah, probably in a Wetherspoons using free WiFi 😀

Sounds ideal Neil. I'm well up for 'sociable'*. Who knows, maybe even Woppit will come? 🙂

*It means pubs/beer will be involved. Doesn't it? I think it does.

you can buy him a beer.

pubs, oh of course.

Of course there is plenty of alternatives - and the course taken by the tories is the most damaging possible.

Taxation could be increased, tax avoidance stopped, spending on vanity projects (nukes etc) reduced or stopped, no more military adventurism outside of our borders,

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric - there are many alternative paths - which way you go is a political choice.

Of course, part of the Capital Ring does go past the Olympic site, so folk could get a look at that. Might be interesting for some.

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The whole lot's gotta be doable in a day, surely? 78 miles. I'd be up for that. As long as we start and finish at the bit near me! 🙂

TJ; d'you mind not interupting our pootle plan thread please? D'you mind??

So [i]rude[/i], some people... 🙄

Police have been kettled in Oxford circus apparently.

How amusing.

Good! Keep 'em there, and don't let them have any food, water or toilet facilities for a good few hours! 😀

Well, there I was, mopping the lino, and I suddenly thought - given my age and the opportunities available, I'm never going to enjoy the level of replete lifestyle enjoyed by the Philip Greens and Tchenguiz brothers of this world, so the question I asked myself is - why am I so exercised about defending the system that enables what is looking to me like what can only be described as their gluttony?

Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

And I recall being in favour of the poll tax riots when I was penniless and living in a squat, so how did I get from there to here?

That's rhetorical, but if you've an opinion, go ahead...

Been sniffing the bog cleaning chemicals ?

It's because you rejected God, Woppit.

could do the whole thing.....since it goes up my street I want to start at the 6 o'clock spot...Crystal palace, but for anybody coming in from outside london I'm not sure that's the best spot. Not sure what is though...any thoughts?

Elfinsafety - Member

It's because you rejected God, Woppit.

Oh, no. I've always done that...

Oh he's back.

I dunno Whoppit, perhaps you could make a case?

It'll take thinking about and probably won't interest anybody.

I think the bit by me is the best spot to start from! 🙂

Actually, Woolwich wouldn't be a bad start/finish point, I tell you for why:

Anyone coming in from outside London could get on a Riverbus boat from central London, as they take bikes, if they fancied a nice treat, and it goes to Woolwich. Only a few quid, and a lovely journey. You can use an Oyster card on it too. And you could take it back into town at the end of the ride of course, into the sunset...

It's just an idea.

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but Financial Institutions paid FIFTY TWO BILLION POUNDS into the exchequer last year. That's ELEVEN PERCENT of the total UK tax take

well.. I dunno much about this but surely JUST TAXING GREED APPROPRIATELY is what general folk at grass roots level are getting pissed off about..? never mind the bored teenagers in hoodies.. Fundamentally speaking..

what percentage of their earnings was that? It was considerably less than the percentage I paid [or anyone else payng PAYE]in tax and considerably less than someone on mimimum wage despite making BILLIONS

Financial Institutions paid FIFTY TWO BILLION POUNDS into the exchequer last year. That's ELEVEN PERCENT of the total UK tax take

Ok, so how many lives did those Financial Institutions save? How many fires did they put out? How many children did they educate, toilets did they clean, bricks did they lay, etc?

Just because an institution overvalues itself, and others are naive or foolish enough to go with that valuation, doesn't mean it is that valuable.

Just because an institution overvalues itself, and others are naive or foolish enough to go with that valuation, doesn't mean it is that valuable.

Spot on, the most valuable organisations are not the wealthiest.

what do super earners actually do with all that personal wealth..?

what's the point of it..?

can we eat them yet..?
will someone promise to send me an email as soon as we're allowed.. I wanna get a nice healthy young one in the freezer in time for xmas..
thanks

Ok, so how many lives did those Financial Institutions save? How many fires did they put out? How many children did they educate, toilets did they clean, bricks did they lay, etc?

Given the level of contribution to those public services, quite a few, I would imagine...

I know this is a bit complicated for you to keep up with Woppit, but do try to make an effort please...

Oh, have I got that wrong? Well, please explain how the services you mention would operate without funding. Just so I can "keep up".

Ok then, tell me how they'd operate [i]without[/i] people doing the actual jobs? Y'know, the actual, hands-on life-saving, fire-fighting etc?

I pay taxes. Those taxes help fund the NHS, Fire Service, etc. I don't claim to be a life-saver or fire-fighter, so how can a financial institution do so? Hmm? Hmm??

Look how you've attempted some sarcastic witticism, yet failed miserably. You're rubbish.

Oh, have I got that wrong?

Yeah, you have, actually.

I didn't notice that any financial institutions did claim to be a life-saver or fire fighter.

Of course, fire fighting and life saving needs trained people to do it, but it also needs money.

The huge revenues generated by banks and financial houses, swingeingly taxed, helps facilitate this. I don't, therefore, see the problem with them making huge profits.

Look how you've attempted, etc...

you wouldn't need to attack others all the time.

elfin this is you raison d'etre, what happened to your "let others have an opinion and respect that" etc etc.. gash you were spouting a couple of months ago, nice to see you back to your usual form 🙄

Oh look, Lanesra's back from his recent ban.

Hello Lanesra! 😀

Bin watching the Arsenal lately? Shame, eh?

[i]Barcelona, such a beautiful horizon...[/i]

Small man syndrome

You're a not exactly tall podgy bloke. Is that your excuse?

DrDoolittle still enquires fondly about you. You never did have that sojourn by the swings at Newington Green, did you?

Where did all the life saving guff come from ? 😆

I pay taxes, some of that tax pays for NHS / Paramedic / Emergency services etc, but I don't see myself as a life saver. Same thing for nasy corporations and their UK PAYE employees no ?

It was Woppit, claiming that Financial institutions had.

I pay taxes, some of that tax pays for NHS / Paramedic / Emergency services etc, but I don't see myself as a life saver.

You undervalue yourself.

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On another note and Liverpool related I hear Anfield will be redeveloped, are you using your fans to knock down the walls or going the conventional route and using demolition contractors, who probably wouldn't murder people in the process?

ivixxiv - out of order mate. Play nice.