Although you can expect some tory MPs to die during the course of the next parliament.
Not enough of them, mind...
plus 1
Democracy has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government. There has been an independence referendum, the vote was no.
Cameron can offer Full Fiscal Autonomy, Sturgeon says she wants it, but does she? She needs to find £7 billion.
Another post from me 😉
Financial impact on the parties will be HUGE. Possibly the most significant impact of the election ?
The SNP will have some £7m in MPs salaries and office expenses. Given they can't do much at Westminster that money can and will be spent on working on the broader SNP agenda of independence. Very significant positive for them.
Labour and Lib Dems will lose similar amounts, this will weaken both of those parties substantially losing resources they cannot easily replace.
Is that Farage count still not done?
[s]Democracy[/s] Campaign bullshit has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government
It's a victory for common sense and democracy. 8)
The SNP will have some £7m in MPs salaries and office expenses
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
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Campaign bullshit has spoken and it's voted for a Conservative government
You're not wrong.
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Even if Scotland had united behind the Labour party it would once again have made no difference whatsoever. So really England voted for a Tory government and we all got one.
No, the SNP won't be able to vote on English only laws. All national issues over the whole of the UK, like Trident, they can vote on. This makes perfect sense, any issue which Holyrood controls the SNP at Westminster should not be able to vote on.
So its a Union when it suits you and not one when it doesnt 😕
I dont disagree on the principle tbh but the English parliament cannot be at Westminster using the same MPs for england as for the UK. This is not how devolution works elsewhere. I suspect the SNP would be happy with the rule change though. I dont think treating england as special helps quell nationalism. If england has its own parliament it really needs its own parliament.
Dont all the devolved ones use a form of PR?
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
+1, it's not an allowance like the EU, you actually have to spend it on relevant expenditure.
Lots of left wing mutual backslapping and talking to themselves
yeah - alternate that with all the handwringing and they never looked likely to impress.
@jonba - Agreed, Cameron will resign to give a new leader the chance to bed in prior to the 2020 election, 6 months before would be my guess. Miliband and Clegg are toast.
Whenever Labour lose it's bogeyman politics; the country will grind to a halt, the weak will die etc etc.
Realistically, the world will keep turning. M
Maybe Labour will do better next time with Yvette Cooper in the driving seat, with a better plan than 'we are not the Tories'?
No, the SNP won't be able to vote on English only laws
But they were elected as UK MP's not UK MPlight. England is part of the UK and the dominant part. English laws affect Scotland even if only indirectly. All MP's should be equal unless the law is changed and people can vote with these changes in mind.
Which it will spend on MP's salaries and office expenses.
Yes but what will they spend their days working on ? That was my point.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
He's moving to Sweden, he said so 🙂
Ed Balls has gone!! By about 400 votes!!
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with a better plan than 'we are not the Tories'?
To be honest that would be a different plan, at the moment its "we are not evil Tories"
Is that Farage count still not done?
@camo they only started at 7 or 8am, they did the neighbouring Thanet seat first, very bizare 😯
[i]Is that Farage count still not done?[/i]
No...the only item of interest left now.
(before the resignations!) 🙂
Whilst UKIP won't have many MPs they have been second in many Northern Labour constituencies and will take a share of the overall vote which will eclipse both the Lib Dems and indeed they will have more vote cast for them than have the SNP
Hopefully Lab will take notice of this and start looking after their heartlands again rather than relying on their unfettered support election after election.
Farage won't win, even his big donor admitted it hours ago.
EDIT: Not expected to be second even, hence his tetchiness on TV. However he will get an EU referendum which is a major achievement. He won't win it though.
Its only fair they wait until the pub opens before they announce Thanet.
Is Keighley in yet? I notice that Labour couldn't even take Pudsey.
EDIT: Blimey, thought Labour couldn't miss that one.
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
But they were elected as UK MP's not UK MPlight. England is part of the UK and the dominant part. English laws affect Scotland even if only indirectly. All MP's should be equal unless the law is changed and people can vote with these changes in mind.
I don't agree at all, its only right that with more powers granted to Holyrood and Cardiff the English MPs get equivalent powers. It won't happen but the Barnet formula should be scrapped with he Welsh getting more money at Scotland's expense.
Molgrips, U OK, hun?
No!
Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
That's the next election lost then!
keefmac - Member
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
This is a good question. Harriet Harman?
No!
Me neither 🙁
* gives Molgrips a sympathetic leftie man-hug *
That's the next election lost then!
Or Andy Burnham.
10 more yrs in the wilderness for Labour...
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
Ed Balls would be the leaders "wife" (as he's married Yvette). As @hora posted Chuka Umunna must be a candidate but is he Labour enough ? Hariett Harman will stand.
My gut feel is the Labour party will go for Harman with Cooper and Umana in senior positions. It could be temporary with a change of leader before the 2020 election
Or Andy Burnham.
Save our NHS, Save our NHS - what do you mean you want policies, we need to Save our NHS from the evil Tories.
A great result for an electorate who clearly didn't want yet another Labour government bringing the country to its knees.
Ed Balls would be the leaders "wife" (as he's married Yvette). As @hora posted Chuka Umunna must be a candidate but is he Labour enough ? Hariett Harman will stand.
Uncannily like that BBC drama of a few years back which everyone assumed was based on them.
Hang on in there Molegrips. I remember '83 and '87, but this feels worse.
Today may be Theirs, but tomorrow will be ours.
wow - the lib dems have lost their deposit in over 300 of the constituencies - less than 5% of the vote.
Farage won't win, even his big donor admitted it hours ago.EDIT: Not expected to be second even, hence his tetchiness on TV. However he will get an EU referendum which is a major achievement. He won't win it though.
Labour where claiming last night Farage would finish third, there was massive tactical voting campaign to keep Farage out. He will remain an MEP and proabbyl stand down as leader, UKIP have some other very strong leadership candidates (excuse me I don't know the names but the guy from Liverpool and the woman)
An EU referendum is what we need, I expect the vote to be "stay in" and that will put the issue to bed
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My gut feel is the Labour party will go for Harman with Cooper and Umana in senior positions. It could be temporary with a change of leader before the 2020 election
The problem Labour has is that it is game on in the Commons almost straight away with such a small majority for the Tories, so the time for reflection before selection just isn't there.
An EU referendum is what we need, I expect the vote to be "stay in" and that will put the issue to bed
Absolutely, worked in Scotland
Save our NHS, Save our NHS - what do you mean you want policies, we need to Save our NHS from the evil Tories.
@mefty indeed. The Tories commit to spend an extra £8bn, Labour an extra £2.5bn. Labour where sunk there and then on the NHS.
An EU referendum is one hell of a risk for Cameron, given that the electorate may consider it to be a protest vote against the govt by then.
Smudger666 - Member
wow - the lib dems have lost their deposit in over 300 of the constituencies - less than 5% of the vote.
I know!!! They've become one of those loony party also-rans!!!
The bookies runners and riders.
Andy Burnham is the favourite to take over, on odds of 7/4, with Ms Cooper at 9/4 and Mr Umunna at 3/1. Dan Jarvis and Tristram Hunt are also thought to be in the running, at odds of 6/1 and 11/1 respectively
Cleggy's going to make a speech at 11.30....wonder what he's going to say?
He can't possibly resign as there aren't any other LD MP's to take over.
How tempting would it be if you were in the Tories to chuck in an early bill in that the SNP couldn't vote against, just to see what they actually do?
I remember '83 and '87, but this feels worse.
I was a kid then, but I do remember lots of people being very miserable and poor..
martinhutch - MemberThe problem Labour has is that it is game on in the Commons almost straight away with such a small majority for the Tories, so the time for reflection before selection just isn't there.
The internal party politics are more concerning. The unions will look at the SNP's success on an anti-austerity manifesto and could reject any New Labour candidate who doesn't want to move the party to the left. That could lead to massive in-fighting which the Tories will capitalise on - not least as they have the votes to pass union 'reforms' to restrict strike action - or worse, split the party in two.
Talking to some Labour activists at the weekend they were firmly behind Umunna if this happened.
Ed Milliband is making an announcement at noon. No surprises what he's going to say! 😀
Looks like I'll have to find another £100k on top of already-silly prices before I can buy a small flat in SE London with barely any space to store my bikes 🙁
I suspect the driver here hasn't been 'for' the Tories but actually 'I daren't risk any change - I can't afford it'
The 'recovery' has been so non-existent for most people day-to-day, that they simply didn't feel they could risk a government who may do less well than the Tories have and see either their incomes drop or their debt increase - and Labour don't have a very good track record on the economy
Brandmania ultimately spoke to the gaping, chasm-like disconnection of the Labour movement, the liberal elite and the Twitterati from ordinary people. Incapable of speaking directly to the masses, they had to employ a sleb to try to do it on their behalf. Their reliance on Rusty revealed their own lack of any serious message, or any means of communicating it to the people. And now they are dumbfounded by the election results, utterly unable to comprehend why their favoured party did so badly. ‘But we had RUSSELL BRAND on our side!’ It’s amazing – they’re like medieval kings, staring in bemusement at the throng, wondering why it refuses to heed the messages of their long-haired missionary.
Ouch
given the 'Labour' leadership election will drag on until the party conference you can expect Cameron to make hay in the next few months.
[i]I remember '83 and '87, but this feels worse.
I was a kid then, but I do remember lots of people being very miserable and poor..[/i]
Yeah...also remember the strikes, the rubbish piled high in the streets during the preceeding Labour run years...
Cleggy's going to make a speech at 11.30
Ed Milliband is making an announcement at noon
Well I have to say I was skeptical about the tories but that's two jobs they've created and they're not even in government yet.
I remember '83 and '87, but this feels worse.
I was a kid then, but I do remember lots of people being very miserable and poor..
I remember the constant power cuts, etc etc and that was under Labour. I was VERY young yet I remember my parents- the stress, the constant buying of candles (for just incase) etc. This lasted into the 80's. Even today when I look at candles I shudder.
Lets not forget Labour ****ed up in the 70s and yet again in the 00s.
[b]Or are we forgetting the recession that Bliar and Brown caused?[/b]
Trust me- I didn't vote for the Tories last night. I spoilt my paper and voted green on the local elections as someone sacked all the lollipop ladies around 4 schools in my area 'to save money' (but is: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/trafford-council-approves-4m-loan-8921422 )
So I voted green to 'spoil' my local vote.
Cleggy's going to make a speech at 11.30....wonder what he's going to say?He can't possibly resign as there aren't any other LD MP's to take over.
Don't really see how he can stay as leader with results like that though. They've been decimated
Cameron on Sky News...'This is the sweetest victory of all'
Even today when I look at candles I shudder.
Fill yer boots.
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This just couldn't be worse. What a thing to wake up to. I don't want to sound melodramatic, but this is the end of the UK and the destruction of all we know under what will be a vicious and vindictive far right government who will lead what's left of the UK into bankrupt isolation. Seriously thinking about moving to somewhere stable and affluent like Greece this morning, somewhere where we might find work. I truly despair of my fellow voters - turkeys and Christmas.
as someone sacked all the lollipop ladies around 4 schools in my area 'to save money'
Are lollipop ladies still needed? In the 70's and 80's when primary school kids walked to school on their own, then yes they were important. But most kids of that age get dropped-off at the school gates now.
The internal party politics are more concerning. The unions will look at the SNP's success on an anti-austerity manifesto and could reject any New Labour candidate who doesn't want to move the party to the left. That could lead to massive in-fighting which the Tories will capitalise on
It's all academic. The unions and the right of the labour party can fight all they like, once the tories redraw the boundaries and reduce the number of MPs they are f***** forever. This is where perpetual tory govt starts, they're not going to pass up this opportunity. Things are about to get a whole lot worse before they get better.
They've been decimated
Not quite, beat decimation by 2 seats.
Thanet South......
'This is the sweetest victory of all'
Spoken like a true statesman. 🙄
heres the Nige result....
He got 126 votes!
Sorry wrong Nigel
Farage lost!
The only bit of good news.
Farage 16,026
greens 1076
Tory 18838
Al Murray 318
Bye Nige 😯
ononeorange - Member
This just couldn't be worse. What a thing to wake up to. I don't want to sound melodramatic, but this is the end of the UK and the destruction of all we know under what will be a vicious and vindictive far right government who will lead what's left of the UK into bankrupt isolation. Seriously thinking about moving to somewhere stable and affluent like Greece this morning, somewhere where we might find work.
So, it's stopping at 2 million, then?
Nation of OOO didn't fare too well either.
Farage makes 2nd easily
2 million???
sooo...three party leaders to resign eh? You'd have got good odds on that.
Wonder if the Tories will offer Scottish Secretary post to the SNP?
Poisoned bloody chalice.