Well I said I was going to bed when it was clear what was happening. Never imagined I'd be going to bed before 2am!
Seems to me the message is pretty clear. Both labour and the libdems have suffered from their alignment to the tories either directly in the libdems case or indirectly in labour's case. The libdems have lost votes to the tories, if there's no diffference people may as well vote for the real thing. Labour have lost votes to the SNP, UKIP and greens, if they're not different enough people will vote for alternatives. Maybe this election is evidence that parties should stick to their core principles and not try to ape other parties in pursuit of power? Having said that though, the BBC are already trotting out the line that labour aren't centrist enough. I fail to see how that's the case seeing as most of the damage has been done in Scotland.
How the **** is any parliament going to issue dictats from Westminster to a Scotland with blanket SNP. MP's?
Should be quite easy for English ConDems or even ConDUPs to issue dictats to the rebels up North. Off to bed...
Marr saying that he thinks Cameron may be the last British Prime Minister, sees the break up of the Union. Commentator saying that the campaign has be run in a negative fashion that looked to blame different demographics (eg scotland) and the unionist parties have failed in Scotland.
Yup, Balkanisation.
Meh.
PA report Walsall, Labour loss to Tory, Labour Balkan getting smaller.
Hartlepool recount between UKIP and Labour, Labour are dying out there.
Interesting, The people I know in Scotland all vote (or want to) for the SNP despite the independence angle, rather than because of it...
Not very representative, just a handful... As someone you quite fancies moving to Scotland if ever the opportunity arises, it would likely reflect my position - I do think they're done great things for Scotland.
EDIT Hartlepool? wow...
Stoner may win his bet, majority a very distinct possibility
Stoner may win his bet, majority a very distinct possibility
Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit sniffing glue...
Still on the margins
binners - Member
How the **** is any parliament going to issue dictats from Westminster to a Scotland with blanket SNP. MP's?Good luck with that
Happens with Northern Ireland
unklehomered - Member
Interesting, The people I know in Scotland all vote (or want to) for the SNP despite the independence angle, rather than because of it...
Think I said this a few days ago, now independence has been put to bed the SnP can be a political party, nationalist may need to be removed from the name.
Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit sniffing glue...
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[quote=dazh ]Maybe this election is evidence that parties should stick to their core principles and not try to ape other parties in pursuit of power? Having said that though, the BBC are already trotting out the line that labour aren't centrist enough. I fail to see how that's the case seeing as most of the damage has been done in Scotland.
Labour have a problem. As predicted by some on here - but seemingly ignored by the leadership as well as some Labour fanbois on here - they're having to fight on multiple fronts. Scotland where they're seen as too Westminster, traditional swing seats in England where they'd likely lose seats to the Tories if they moved left, some of their traditional strong seats where UKIP is a threat. Difficult for them to position themselves in such a way to head off all those threats when saddled with an unpopular leader.
It will be very different next time though.
SprocketJockey - Member
Why?
More excitement ... 😆
Basic issues for Labour
They have die hards who will not vote for anyone else. These do not cover enough people to get a majority.
If they can attract more votes from the center the die hards outside of scotland will still vote for them.
So moving to the center is the only way for the Labour party to gain power?
On Sturgeon's last chat with the press she has ruled out working with anyone other than labour but says any government without them has not legitimacy in Scotland, perhaps if she wants an influence she should work with those that can form a government.
**** off Scotland phenomenon responsible for the English swing to the right then?
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Wales swinging to Tories, Gower may fall
It will be very different next time though.
Will it? What will change between now and then? Things will be even more polarised, the union may not even exist by then, and labour will still find themselves stuck between different groups of vastly different voters. If something doesn't radically change then they will become irrelevant and the UK will be fragmented between different political factions. Dangerous times I think.
Exactly 30,000 votes? Fix!
Reports of more potential gains in the Midlands for the Tories, the drinks may be on Stoner.
With the loss of Scotland I don't think I will see a Labour government in England again during my lifetime or at least until the 2030s. We will become more polarized.
The SNP position is they have built their position on saying what right what do they have to tell us what to do: the Tories have said you don't have the right to tell us what to do either. They have reaped what they have sowed but may not be upset by that. Cameron needs to address which he will.
I'm just starting a wake for the sad death of the Liberal-Democratic Party,I hope Nick feels he did a good job,going into the coalition.I'm drinking Metaxa,which feels appropriate somehow.
Cheerio wee Dougie Alexander!!!!
irc - MemberCheerio wee Dougie Alexander!!!!
Losing to a 20 yr old ... 😆
Freeddddommmm!
LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Good grief. They're going to need a bigger swingometer. Right, I'm going to stay up for Murphy then off to bed.
Fear and greed win the day. Bollocks.
Looking at property in Scotland...
Looks like I'm having one for the Scottish Labour Party too.
[quote=Tom_W1987 ]LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
aracer - Member
Tom_W1987 » LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
She has a career now ... a career politician ... 😆
Revision?
What the **** is that? She's an undergrad! 😆
Tom_W1987 » LOL beaten by a 20 year old student as well!
Shouldn't she be revising?
Beating Labour's chief election strategist is probably good for a few exam credits 😀
SNP vote up 38% in Glenrothes.
bencooper - Member
Beating Labour's chief election strategist is probably good for a few exam credits
😯 He is/was Labour chief election strategist! 😆 😆 😆
louise mensch on channel4, spoiling it a bit to be honest...
Tory gain colchester from LibDem
@TomThat bad?
**** yes, Blair and Mandleson were evil in an in your face way.
I prefer that.
Besides, I think the Blairites are right. Labour can't win without moving to the right, at least on the surface.
Tom_W1987 - Member
@TomThat bad?
**** yes, Blair and Mandleson were evil in an in your face way.
I prefer that.
It must be desperation now ... 😯
Whoever ends up nominally 'in power', this is going to be chaos! A Tory government can't possibly have any legitimacy if Dave applies his own rules about democratic accountability, that he's been spouting for weeks
Besides, we were cool under Blair.
Is Britain cool under Cameron?
**** no
That's why come 2020, vote nu-labour. Get Britains mojo back, bring back britpop and invade a few countries. What's not to like?
Binners: Burnley is a gain, first one, I will be buying black pudding from dudley

