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In the dealing room here.... the cheer for Farage not getting in wasn't quite as loud as Balls getting thrown out.... but it was still pretty loud.
Wonder if the Tories will offer Scottish Secretary post to the SNP?
No, they won't. They get a majority, albeit slim, they will form a cabinet of tories only
[quote=ononeorange said]I don't want to sound melodramatic
You failed.
Ro5ey; What do you think will happen with regard to the grexit? Might it be as close as May 11th?
mefty - Member
Farage makes 2nd easily
Bless
For that you need intelligent argument and logic (or a leader who can eat a bacon sandwich).
Unfortunately the electorate consider these as equal qualifications.
pedantmode
They've been decimated
they've been more than decimated - that's to reduce by 10% (after the romans' trick of killing one man in ten as a punishment.
/pedantmode
sorry, its one of my pet peeves.
Allthepies: fair enough. True though.
they've been decimated
Sheesh, has no one read their latin primer this morning? Decimation would be the removal of one tenth of their force. They have been heavily defeated, routed even, and close to annihilation, but way, way more that decimation.
What have the Romans ever done for us, etc, mutter...
Oi, Smudger, what's the Latin for fist bump?
Lots of contenders for I'm a [s]celebrity[/s] ex politician get me a career bost.
@smudger, very interesting. Is it not to reduce 90% though, that would make more sense as to go from 10 to 9 isn't so bad ?
No ... ohnohesback... (as much as you want the end of the world... or even a just a little bit of anarchy anywhere to get your rocks off ... wierd !?! )... it ain't going to happen.
Greece has been patched up how many times now... this time will not be any different... sorry to disappoint
George Galloway gone!In fact properly trounced? Fantastic!
@ninfan yes yes yes ! We just need the Tower Hamblets ex-mayor in jail now.
How hard is it to win a seat? Twice as easy as average if you are SNP, only 80x harder if you are UKIP. Figures from BBC results page.
PARTY SEATS VOTES VOTES/SEAT RATIO
DUP 8 184,260 23,033 1.0
SNP 56 1,454,426 25,972 1.1
SDLP 3 99,809 33,270 1.4
CON 321 11,047,519 34,416 1.5
LAB 228 9,186,115 40,290 1.7
SINN 4 176,232 44,058 1.9
UUP 2 114,935 57,468 2.5
PLYD 3 181,694 60,565 2.6
LIB 8 2,324,349 290,544 12.6
GRN 1 1,125,259 1,125,259 48.9
UKIP 1 3,785,499 3,785,499 164.4
TOTAL 635 29,680,097 46,740 2.0
@smudger, very interesting. Is it not to reduce 90% though, that would make more sense as to go from 10 to 9 isn't so bad ?
No 1 in 10 I was wrong as I was about Farage coming third, hence my post about him coming second.
[i]Are lollipop ladies still needed? In the 70's and 80's when primary school kids walked to school on their own, then yes they were important. But most kids of that age get dropped-off at the school gates now. [/i]
Either you don't get out much, or you don't get out much...
Usage
Historically, the meaning of the word decimate is ‘kill one in every ten of (a group of people)’. This sense has been more or less totally superseded by the later, more general sense ‘kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of’, as in the virus has decimated the population. Some traditionalists argue that this is incorrect, but it is clear that it is now part of standard English.
fist bump - pugnus gibba
Hail fellow Pedant!
Just had a relook at the debt mountain - £1.5trillion. £500bn higher under Tories/Lib. So for lower taxes we are paying more in the future......
Another credit card economy in the making.
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
Seriously.......Tony Blair.
Oh get away - that blasted crook? A sure fire way for labour to poll no votes at all.
come on Hora - even you can do better maths than that!
of course the debt is higher - we've been running a DEFICIT.
reduce the deficit to zero THEN you can start reducing the debt.
the point is that the deficit wouldn't have been reduced as much as it has/will be if we had tax/borrow and spend labour Govt meaning more borrowing in the future.
[quote=aracer ]Far closer to Cardiff than London here, and solidly Tory (looking at the results coming in, likely to be a huge Tory majority, though probably Labour in second - the Labour candidate has actually had the best campaign - which is unusual)
Oh balls (no, not that one, he's gone). Labour overtook the LibDems as I predicted, but I forgot about UKIP, they're in second place. Tory majority as huge as predicted.
Hoping the local election results don't mirror that at all...
Before I sign off and do some real work, I'd like to remind all the tories here:
IT'S ALL [b]YOUR[/b] FAULT WE NOW HAVE TO KEEP KATIE HOPKINS IN THIS COUNTRY.
Talk about dominatrix-fetishes, I reckon that's the only reason they vote that way! 😉
Oh get away - that blasted crook? A sure fire way for labour to poll no votes at all.
At the very least, Mandy running as a close adviser to David Milliband.
Besides the Brits like a crook.
We won't see Labour get in until the mid 2030's with the other lot.
hora - Member
Just had a relook at the debt mountain - £1.5trillion. £500bn higher under Tories/Lib.
Bloody austerity hey!?!
Big increase in majority for Danczuk in Rochdale, one of the few Labour MPs to understand the UKIP threat.
Before I sign off and do some real work, I'd like to remind all the [s]tories[/s] Scots here:IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT WE NOW HAVE TO KEEP KATIE HOPKINS IN THIS COUNTRY.
Talk about dominatrix-fetishes, I reckon that's the only reason they vote that way!
Stockholm syndrome ?
Farage has resigned.
IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT WE NOW HAVE TO KEEP KATIE HOPKINS IN THIS COUNTRY.
No we don't, we're sending her to Scotland as head of PR!
No we don't, we're sending her to Scotland as head of PR!
Fantastic, better get started on the Wicker Man. Is bile flammable?
Big increase in majority for Danczuk in Rochdale, one of the few Labour MPs to understand the UKIP threat.
What did he do to counter it?
Nate Silver didn't do too well did he?
One possible scenario is that with a clear playing field, the Cons may now set to work addressing this issue with more urgency - get the pain out of the way early on in their new term of office.teamhurtmore - Member
hora - Member
Just had a relook at the debt mountain - £1.5trillion. £500bn higher under Tories/Lib.
Bloody austerity hey!?
IMHO one thing for sure is that we have no right to expect future generations to cover the cost of our current mess.
get the pain out of the way
That's a good euphemism for "make sure many more people die without help and many more children are in poverty".
UKIP polled more votes than Lib Dems and SNP combined. Lib Dems close to double SNP vote. SNP about same as Greens.
That's a good euphemism for "make sure many more people die without help and many more children are in poverty".
£550bn spent on welfare in the last 5 years. £150bn a year in welfare going forward. Perhaps we need to spend that a bit better rather than just thinking the solution is to spend more ?
Which will be the first local authority to be declared bankrupt?
Perhaps we need to spend that a bit better rather than just thinking the solution is to spend more ?
Yes, so investing more to build a proper economy, not one based on property speculation and investment banking would be a good idea.
What did he do to counter it?
Had a pint with Farage? Don't know you would need to look at the local campaign to find out or it might be a reflection of him outing Cyril Smith.
Had a pint with Farage? Don't know you would need to look at the local campaign to find out or it might be a reflection of him outing Cyril Smith.
I was just curious. All I know about him is the Cyril Smith stuff, so wondered why he did so well.
Me too, Labour HQ should be too.
EDIT: His wife's selfies are popular too.
EDIT 2: He did have a pint with Farage and has been saying Labour were wrong on immigration for a lot longer than the party.
so if ed is going, who are the frontrunners to replace him. Yvette Cooper has already been mentioned but who else is there?
Jim Murphy?
One possible scenario is that with a clear playing field, the Cons may now set to work addressing this issue with more urgency - get the pain out of the way early on in their new term of office.
IMHO one thing for sure is that we have no right to expect future generations to cover the cost of our current mess.
Oh yeah but we will.
Whilst you pull the plug on education, tackling homelessness and unemployment benefts - all the things that have a huge impact on the young, the Tories will continue to fund the treatment of old ****s in the NHS so they can live to 201, they will continue with the various pensioner benefits and they will carrying on pandering to the 50ish lot in higher tax bands who really don't want to pay more tax.
Can you imagine how please with himself Dave is going to look now? I thought he'd already reached a critical mass of self-regarding smugness. Apparently not
Given how he's ruled over us minions when he didn't even have a majority, I expect he'll now start behaving in a manner that a Roman Emperor would regard as a bit over the top
Seriously.......Tony Blair.
The Tories are looking for a new leader?
..or were you thinking about Farage's rplacement?
dazh - Member
once the tories redraw the boundaries and reduce the number of MPs they are f***** forever. This is where perpetual tory govt starts, they're not going to pass up this opportunity.
This. Properly worrying.
Just listened to David Steele's assessment of Nick Clegg's resignation.
I'm pretty sure the LibDems will go through some major defections to Labour and Conservative and are quite possibly finished. DS was right - they've gone back decades.
What's also interesting is that this is a swing to "certainty", the sort of thinking that drove the two 1974 elections. So the idea of a new politics of greater centre ground consensus isn't there. It's a media invention not reflected in the electoral results (though arguably more reflected in the voting patterns).
Labour face a long period in the wilderness, and I predict will work their way through at least another leader before 2020.
Cameron won't have the easy time the left are predicting, but the obvious fear is the policy lurch to the right to appease UKIP defection threats. It is rather 1992 in that the argument the Conservative party will live out publicly will be about Europe. Only this time with the complexity of internal federalism as well.
I'd imagine that redrawing the boundaries is the first thing on the agenda. Then an exit from Europe
We really are ****ed, aren't we?
Not time to be smug Binners - he has a really tough job now. Wafer thin majority and an internal coalition where you can't blame others. Twin deficits, euro chaos coming, week productivity, a NHS pledge to live up to etc.
I will be interested to see if he can outline an actual vision - he remains an enigma to me.
Be out if office for the next five years might not be a bad thing. Politically much harder than the last five years.
Tough on the Lib Dems IMO
I'll just leave this here:
20yr old MP. PMQs is going to be a lot of fun.
You know if you this abyss long enough you start to faces looking back at you...
Thinking the results through, the Lib Dem punishment vote has brought about an demonstration of undiluted Tory rule. There's some irony there.
Secondly, it won't take many by elections to undo the Tory majority. I'm not sure this will last 5 years.
We really are ****ed, aren't we?
Only if you live and work anywhere except London and earn less than £100k pa….
THM - I didn't suggest the smugness will last long. His biggest problem now will be his real opposition. the UKIP sympathising right wing of his own party, who will now be demanding their completely bonkers vision of a Britain outside the EU becomes a reality.
I will be interested to see if he can outline an actual vision - he remains an enigma to me.
He'll do what he always does... ask George. Dave is just a figurehead. I don't think he has the remotest interest in actual policy. He certainly doesn't have anything resembling a 'vision'. Osborne writes all the policy. Dave just believes he's entitled to strut around being PM
Is bile flammable?
Only one way to find out
20yr old MP. PMQs is going to be a lot of fun.
Can't understand a word she was saying.
You're clearly not anybodies man in the north then are you...
Cameron's problem will be controlling his back-benchers with such a small majority. There's some proper nutcases there who will be perfectly content to cut off their noses to spite their faces if they don't get what they want.
Nice problem to have though, compared with dealing with the late Lib Dems. And the sooner the electoral reform gets done the better, thus reducing the prospect of ever having another ruinous Labour administration.
Cue the abuse from today's losers...
You're clearly not anybodies man in the north then are you...
This is the special British meaning of "the north" which really means "a bit north". 😀
[i]I'd imagine that redrawing the boundaries is the first thing on the agenda. Then an exit from Europe
We really are ****ed, aren't we[/i]
There won't be an exit from Europe...its (the referendum) just a stick to beat our neighbours into better terms.
His biggest problem now will be his real opposition. the UKIP sympathising right wing of his own party, who will now be demanding their completely bonkers vision of a Britain outside the EU becomes a reality
How?
They've got no power and can't demand anything, because they already have the ultimate offer on the table and guaranteed. The historical Tory party rift is healed, because it cannot be settled by internal bickering, it's all down to the referendum result.
The only important trick for Cameron is avoiding a longwinded referendum campaign, negotiate with the EU and put a decent offer on the table, short as possible.
Oh well, back to work now - the carnival is over.
Wait, here's ed....
Boom, that's three
We really are ****ed, aren't we?
I suspect so. There's no way we're staying in Europe. That alone is enough, but I also fear labour are now too damaged to be a party of govt for a good long while.
He'll do what he always does... ask George. Dave is just a figurehead.
Think I've said it before, but a mate of mine who was a lobbyist a few years ago was told by a tory MP that Cameron getting elected last time was an accident, and that Osborne was the real choice to be the next tory PM. Cameron's job was simply to put a dent into Brown's majority. It's no wonder he always looks like the cat who got the cream.
Who is most likely to become Deputy-PM?
RM.
Anointing Harriet or just a stand in?
Ed's just hoofed Harman in the slats! Best deputy you could have, brutal!
The historical Tory party rift is healed, because it cannot be settled by internal bickering, it's all down to the referendum result.
I really do think you're crediting the right wing of the Tory party with a lot more rationality than they actually possess. You are aware that they're all completely hatstand, an think they can take us back to 1953?
Christ! Even Eds resignation is cringeworthy to listen too
Oh ****, is John Redwood still alive?
I'm not convinced this means an automatic exit from Europe.
The question is the timing for Cameron to hold the referendum - I suspect he'll need to pump up the housing market first to get us distracted by thinking things are otherwise good (and it not becoming an effective general electron re-run).
Millifans? Seriously? Wow.
Seriously, one of the worst 'damn, I lost' speeches I've encountered.
Burnham - 4:1
Cooper - 5:1
Umunna - 6:1
Bloody hell it was hard work trying to stay awake so went to sleep ... just got up now. Do we have a new govt yet? UKIP? Yes? 😆
Labour should go on bashing / bullying UKIP ... Hell Yes!
I just read all the result crikey what a result ... excellent! I like!
SNP got the landslide, yes! They should do better by wiping out the remaining 3 stooges.
Now, back to the other country South of Scotland ... Bloody hell ... Labour has done worst since Neil Kinnock - woohooo! The UKIP bashing Labour has got their trick very completely outfoxed by Tories! Ya, bashing UKIP is good ... 😆
Excellent news that one of the Balls is out. It is much much better than Farage not winning. Good to hear that George Galloway will continue to become reality soap star for foreseeable future earning him big £££. Sad to see Vince Cable gone ...
Ohhh ... Ed Milliband has resigned 😯 Hell No! Nooo ... 😆
The next Labour leader should be Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper (Mrs Balls) but I have a feeling that Neil Kinnock's son is slowly creeping in and ready to pounce.
Make no mistake I think Labour should have Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper as the next the Labour Leader. Neil Kinnock's son should start getting his profile up by appearing more often on telly and he should quote his father more often by bashing Mrs T in her grave and call on the Danish people to invade the nation ... in the meaning time they should all continue to bash UKIP ... because they can. 😆
[b]Chuka! Chuka! Chuka! for the next Labour Leader. [/b] 😛
Gets a heroes welcome and looks like he's happy not to be PM.
What are the bets the Tories will now actively support complete devolution for Scotland, and thus cement their huge lead in the rest of the UK?
Milliband and Clegg don't seem to realise why they lost.
Bugger, Julian Huppert gone. That's the cycling off the national agendy




